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Macrovision Releases DVD Copy Protection

msblack writes "The Los Angeles Times is reporting that the good folks at Macrovision have unveiled a new system that will thwart 97% of existing DVD copying software while maintaining compatibility with existing DVD players. Macrovision claims that DVD copying results in $1 billion loss for studios out of $27.5 billion in sales. With piracy resulting in only 4% loss, why are the studios making such a big deal? The article also reports (mistakenly) that the market is pressing 100s of billions of DVD annually. Who's buying all those DVDs?" I'm skeptical of their claims, since historically Macrovision's anti-copying measures have been little more than easily circumvented snake oil, but maybe this time they've got their plan down.

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  1. Lies, Damn Lies and Macrovision by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The Los Angeles Times is reporting that the good folks at Macrovision have unveiled a new system that will thwart 97% of existing DVD copying software while maintaining compatibility with existing DVD players.

    Suuurrre.. Then come the artifacts, the quirky behavior, then you have to shell for a new DVD player to get it all sorted out, suddenly your old DVDs are now flaky so you have to keep 2 DVD players... Sigh. If only there were a way to copy them all to one format so you wouldn't have these problems...

    Macrovision claims that DVD copying results in $1 billion loss for studios out of $27.5 billion in sales. With piracy resulting in only 4% loss, why are the studios making such a big deal?

    Obviously not posted by a business owner of any sort. 4% loss may sound paltry, but if you choose to look at that 4% as being taken out of your net profit it'll look considerable larger, i.e. 4% out of $27B - expenses, assume a profit margin of 50%, and it's 8% Would you be happy buying a 12-pack at the corner store, but having to sacrifice one can/bottle to some guy at the exit door for no apparent reason?

    The article also reports (mistakenly) that the market is pressing 100s of billions of DVD annually. Who's buying all those DVDs?"

    Maybe they accidently included the AOL CDs.

    I'm skeptical of their claims, since historically Macrovision's anti-copying measures have been little more than easily circumvented snake oil, but maybe this time they've got their plan down.

    Hey, it's a consumer driven economy, gotta come up with some new angle that everyone's going to give you 4% of for no apparent reason...

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    1. Re:Lies, Damn Lies and Macrovision by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 5, Insightful

      100s of billions of DVDs annually
      $27.5 billion in sales annually

      If we assume that 100s only means 100, then that means that each DVD sold in America sells for an average price of $0.28. Now, I've personally never seen a new DVD sell for anything less than $10 on sale, so this must mean that there are billions and billions of DVDs being sold for $0.01 or LESS in order to bring down the average cost.

      Or else the people at Macrovision are idiots (DING, DING, DING! We have a winner!) and can't perform simple arithmetic.

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  2. It's like the theory of evolution... by tekiegreg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    will thwart 97% of existing DVD copying software

    So the 3% that survive will propogate the rest of the Internet. Or more likely the 3% that survive will propogate it's technology to the 97% of those that didn't. It's like antibiotics and resistant bacteria, the game continues. Until you find something that's 100% bulletbroof (MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!) it's hopeless Motion Picture industry....

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  3. I have some ideas... by NivenHuH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We can encrypt the content on the DVD! (oh.. that didn't work)
    We can automatically install a driver on Windows machines to make the disc un-rippable (oh.. that didn't work either!)
    We can add a special time-code that prevents ripping... (Defeated by a marker!)

    Seriously.. when will these guys give up? Go after the people selling the shit on the streets and leave the consumers alone..

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  4. Most people are honest. by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most people I know and know of tend to have 100% original DVDs. One person I know was tempted by the availability of heaps of cheap discs in China, but generally people are honest.

    Even people who don't have moral qualms about this tend not to run off copies for their friends for many reasons, because it's a hassle. It takes a long time when its easier to just lend a friend a disc.

    The people who actually cause most harm to the industry are the ones who sell the pirated discs. This sort of technology isn't going to deter them. If it can be circumvented, they'll find out how. The costs are insignificant against profits.

  5. Analog Hole by MaxQuordlepleen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is they key quote from the article, in my opinion:

    "We're always interested in another tool," said one executive who asked not to be named. "But until they fix the analog hole ... it doesn't solve the problem."

    For those of you who don't remember the '80s, the "Analog Hole" was all we had back then, we used audio and video cassette for backup and sharing purposes.

    This battle was fought two decades ago when fair use was upheld and we all got to keep our VCRs and double-cassette decks. I contend that the concern of the *AA is not only to protect themselves from the new threat to their business model that digital media represents, but to regain ground they lost twenty years ago.

  6. Re:Before you say you have a right to a backup... by BarryJacobsen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It'd be nice if they'd put in a low-cost replacement program for damaged DVDs, though.

    Umm, no that should be the MINIMUM they should do if we are just licensing the pleasure of watching the movie from them. Then the media it is on is inconsequential. Otherwise if we're paying for the disc, then we get to do whatever we want with it. They need to choose which method they want to offer, not just take the best of both worlds.

  7. Like I'm really worried... by gillbates · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Um, how exactly is this going to affect those who already don't pay for movies?

    So Macrovision puts more copy protection on a DVD:

    • Consumers who bought legitimate copies can no longer make backups of their DVDs.
    • Downloaders don't care - they didn't pay for their movies before, and they're not going to pay now.
    • Pirates don't care - they're using bulk DVD copiers which do a bitwise copy, including the Macrovision protection. I'm sure both the studios and pirates are glad that pirated DVDs won't be copyable either.

    So basically, when it comes down to it, Macrovision affects only those who get their movies through legitimate means. It won't have any effect on those already breaking the law, and it will only further reduce any incentive of using the DVD format.

    Why do I watch downloaded movies? Why don't I buy many DVD's? Because DVD copy prevention sucks. It's that simple - I don't feel like buying something from an organization that regards me as somehow criminal because I have an interest in their product.

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  8. How RipGuard probably works... by yeremein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Macrovision is not the first company to come up with additional copy protection (read: corruption) of DVDs. Some other companies have done so, and it typically involves putting unreadable sectors on the disk. Really, really unreadable areas, that make DVD-ROM drives churn for awhile before failing to read. The menu VM code skips over the unreadable sections, so the disc can be watched just fine in a DVD player or software player. But ripping software, which attempts to copy the entire disc, runs into the unreadable spots and grinds to a halt.

    Ripping programs such as AnyDVD and DVD Decrypter are already starting to work around this type of protection. It probably won't be long before they'll analyze the menu VM code and only copy sections of the disc that a set-top player could read, rendering this protection effectively useless. Or, looking from Macrovision's perspective, ripening the market for RipLock 2.0.

    After all, Macrovision is not in the business of preventing copying. They're in the business of selling copy-restriction technology to **AA fatheads who think they will improve their sales by crippling their products.