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United Kingdom Leads the World in TV Downloads

SumDog writes "The UK is known for many things, great food, a wonderful climate and beautiful women. However, according to a story on the Guardian, a new study puts the UK ahead in one more category: it leads the world in TV piracy, accounting for 38.4% of the world's TV downloads, with Australia coming in second at 15.6% and the US in third at a pitiful 7.3%"

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  1. Makes a bit of sense. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, since US television tends not to make it to Britain for a long time after it airs here, it makes a bit of sense. A lot of shows have a one- or two-season lag time. It makes sense that fans who follow the show online would want to see the show as it comes out.

    On the other hand, I score TV shows because I fucking hate commercials, and because I don't have an actual television any more. Funny how original Star Trek was about fifty-five minutes long, while newer "full hour" shows are more like forty-two minutes. That's nearly four times the ads. Yecch.

    Also, it's convenient to be able to watch them when and how I'd like. And I get to insulate myself from the vast bulk of crap that's on TV most of the time, and pick the best of what's out there. (Firefly, Babylon 5 and perhaps some softcore lesbian porn: The L Word.)

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    1. Re:Makes a bit of sense. by Xner · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Well, since US television tends not to make it to Britain for a long time after it airs here, it makes a bit of sense. A lot of shows have a one- or two-season lag time. It makes sense that fans who follow the show online would want to see the show as it comes out.

      It is also common for some of the less popular series (including some that we geeks tend to appreciate more than the normal tv-watching person) to get cancelled or postponed by the broadcaster mid-season, or to undergo some intruiging re-arrangements in broadcast schedule etc. For example here in Holland, I have seen the first seaon of Futurama on three different broadcasters, but the final season is just now hitting the cable.

      If you really case to watch a whole series properly in order and in a timely manner, downloading is pretty much your only option. If you drop the timely requirement, waiting for the DVD releases is a close second.

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    2. Re:Makes a bit of sense. by giginger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly why I download. I have a long train journey every day. I love being able to watch 24 or whatever I've got on the way home and pass the time a lot quicker. No adverts either which a bonus for me. I'm still going to get the boxsets when they come out but why should I wait when with the technology available means I can watch it the next day? I'd happily pay for the service if it was offered, so that I could watch the TV shows I want to watch at a suitable time. The time between a show airing in America and airing in England are inexplicably large. I think 24, yes again, is one of the few shows with only a few weeks between them. But then, to see that now I'd have to have Sky which is another problem......

    3. Re:Makes a bit of sense. by Rainier+Wolfecastle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And add to this that there are a lot of popular shows that just don't make it over at all (Daily Show for one) and it seems very reasonable.

  2. America by mboverload · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This makes perfect sense. With the proliferation of boradband and the anger of watching TV shows a year or more after their American counterparts, it it understandable. I know what it feels like because Europe got to watch Battlestar Galactica before we did, so I just donwloaded it.

    Didn't have to watch comercials and it was better quality then the crap Comcast quality I get. I would have paid money to see them in high resolution and with better sound, but these executives just don't seem to get it. I can download a TV show in less than an hour, in fact, I can download faster than I can watch. It is all about the industry clinging to a dieing business model and not seeing the future. Fine, do a 5-computer iTunes thing with DRM, it is not like music where I need to listen to them anywhere.

  3. I absolutely hate.. by sirdude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    when the press spouts statistics without any reference as to how the data was collected..

  4. Aaaaah, stereotypes by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The UK is known for many things, great food, a wonderful climate and beautiful women..."

    I'm assuming this is an attempt at sarcasm, but apart from the "wonderful climate" I wouldn't have realised. Sure we have a reputation for crap food, but then Americans have a reputation as ignorant redneck fuckwits, and we all know that's true, right?

    Hmmm, someone has a problem with Brits, no?

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    1. Re:Aaaaah, stereotypes by Bertie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Besides which, American food is frequently diabolical. They seem to make it really difficult for you to eat healthily. You put weight on just looking at it. Everything seems to be served up between two slices of bread, with fries accompanying. The bread's full of sugar, too, for good measure. And everything seems to be tinkered with. I mean, you get orange juice with calcium in it, and water with added vitamins. Why not just, you know, eat a balanced diet?

      Last time I went there, by the time I came back I was absolutely desperate for some fresh cooked vegetables. I felt like I was malnourished, yet I'd visibly gained weight.

      Oh, and just what on earth is that shit you think passes for bacon, eh? It's like pork scratchings, for fuck's sake.

      Britain's come a hell of a long way on the food front in the last fifteen years or so, I'd say. People's palates have become a lot more cosmopolitan, and the supermarkets are full of variety (although the meat's gone to shit, it's fair to say). Restaurants have come on in leaps and bounds - people eat out far more regularly these days and they're a lot more educated about what they're ordering too.

  5. Excuse me? by alexwcovington · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry if I'm stating the obvious, but it's television. Signals broadcast through the air. Sorry to burst the bubbles of the folks in Hollywood, but you can't control the genie if you're throwing it out of the bottle at the speed of light. Accept the fact that people have the right to record their television shows, and don't complain when they trade them.

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    1. Re:Excuse me? by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Accept the fact that people have the right to record their television shows

      Yes, they do - that's specifically allowed for in copyright law.

      don't complain when they trade them

      That doesn't follow. Just because I'm allowed to record a TV show for the purposes of time-shifting doesn't mean that I'm allowed to copy it and give it to you. The copyright holder still retains copyright over it. Also, what people seem to forget is that while you are allowed to time-shift broadcasts, you're not actually allowed to keep them indefinitely (at least under UK copyright law).

      Now, I'm not saying that there's really any point to complaining about people trading recordings of broadcasts, but they're within their legal rights to do so. If you don't like that, don't moan about the studios, moan about the law that allows them to do it, and work to get it changed. You can't really blame them for acting within their rights.

  6. Re:TV Tax by gowen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly. Why do Brits download so much US TV
    i) They don't want to wait for it appear over here.
    ii) Unlike other European countries, they don't need TV companies to dub/subtitle it into a different language.

    File under : Not Rocket Science.

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  7. Food for thought for the __AA... by JamieF · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People will pay for bandwidth, then spend time searching and downloading and burning to CD-R that which you broadcast for free.

    Bottled water. Seriously. It's a business model. You don't have to sue people who drink from the tap to make it work, either.

    I can think of quite a few shows that I'd pay a bit to see again, and maybe burn to CD. If I knew they'd be available at the same price essentially forever, I wouldn't even bother hoarding them.

  8. The TV industry failing to adapt by gspr · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This is such a good example of a current gigantic industry failing to adapt to the new world. Take for instance the exceptionally good (well, for TV these days, anyway) series LOST. It airs at a specific time each week, meaning I would have to be at a specific location, namely in front of my television, at that time each week in order to follow the series. That's a lot to demand when you're really busy. Instead, I have been downloading the series from the Internet, so that I can see the episodes whenever I have time and feel like it.
    Now, what the industry needs to grasp is that if they provided me a service with:
    • Fast download speeds
    • No DRM
    • Open format video
    • Acceptable price
    , then I would USE IT instead of getting the episodes using BitTorrent without paying for them.

    I am not downloading the series because I am cheap, I am downloading the series because of the flexibility it gives me. This is something the TV industry can EXPLOIT to earn money. The Internet will not kill the TV industry, as long as the TV industry understands that it needs to adapt.
    1. Re:The TV industry failing to adapt by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did video recorders somehow pass you by?

      The Internet is my TiVO.

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  9. piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    However, according to a story on the Guardian, a new study puts the UK ahead in one more category: it leads the world in TV piracy,

    Boys and girls, remember that every time you use the word "piracy" in this context you are guilty of newspeak. The people who want the public to use these words have a political agenda. The **AA want you to associate not for profit copying with attacking ships and murdering people.

  10. Re:Malfunction, Will Robinson! by gowen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh, woe to be British and lumbered with all these ugly, ugly, women.
    They're not glamourous or sexy, which is why Hollywood won't touch them with a bargepole.

    If only we could produce hotties like Madeleine Albright, Condaleeza Rice, and Barbara Bush.

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  11. Re:TV Tax by iainl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just to put how pitifully cheap the TV License is:

    Last year, in amongst all those other hours of great television, the best radio in the world, and one of the most important news sites on the net, we had all the Euro 2004 football matches screened. With no adverts and excellent commentary.

    It actually cost my friend in the US MORE MONEY, even given the fact that the dollar is worthless right now, just to watch the matches on pay-per-view, with a really, really crap commentary.

    So anyone who likes football (and that's a fairly huge number in the UK) should consider everything else their TV license funded last year as effectively a free bonus.

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  12. Re:In fact... by TiggsPanther · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It works both was I think. Majority of UK downloads are of import series. Majority of US/Canada downloads are probably of non-US/CA series.

    I don't think the TV companies realised that they started to lose about 10 years ago. The Internet was not suitable for downloading shows then, but the information about the shows was suddenly far more easily (and quickly) available than it ever was.
    People (either side of the pond, or in other countries) suddenly had at their fingertips information about this year's shows - not shows where we were lagging behind by a few seasons, or where the show got dropped before the end. That should have been the signal for the companies to work towards worldwide air-dates. OK they started a little, but not enough.

    By the time the Internet could handle downloaded shows they should have pulled out all of the stops and gone for worldwide releases. Instead they hold out for better deals of whatever, but lose viewers. Especially here in the UK where they try to crowbar shows into an earlier timeslot to get more ratings - and cut (or drop - BBC dropped the Quantum Leap episode "Shock Theater" from re-runs as although it was fine for the 9pm airing it didn't work for their 6pm re-runs) the episodes to make them suitable for that timeslot.
    Strangely enough people don't like waiting a year or more to get a cut-up episode, or one run out of order.

    And (apart from possibly the cutting aspect) I'm pretty sure that US fans of UK shows feel similar to how some of us Brits feel about US shows. In this "new" world of instant information "Last Year's Episodes" just don't cut it anymore.

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  13. Re:Malfunction, Will Robinson! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Again with the stereotypes.
    As an Expat I am sick of people saying that Britain is a lousy place, with lousy weather, food, beer, women etc.
    I hate the politicians [all partys], one reason I will never return, but the climate is great.
    [Warm and moist!]
    Try living in a semi-arid climate like Colorado. You have to wear skin moisturizer like some girly-man. And the static shocks off of car doors will drive you mad.
    Then the food. It is a pitty that the people who appreciate British food the least are the British themselves. The french and italians love their own food, and by talking loudly about it for many years have made it popular worldwide.
    The British propensity for self deprecating humour has extended to their food, and made it a global joke. Which Is unfortunate. British food Is actually a damn sight better than it is given credit.
    We have hundreds of varieties of cheeses like Cheddar, Lancashire, Lincolnshire, Leicester [Red and normal], Wenslydale, to name just a few.
    We also have a huge variety of sausages, think lincolnshire and cumberland, and even a meatball called a faggot [Not very PC nowadays, but hey the UK definition is older than the US definition], made from liver and onions, for which I used to run home from secondary school for on Thursdays. ["Thursdays. Faggots and chips for tea"]
    We also have the traditional Roast dinner, with Yorkshire Puddings, and it is delicious. [Far better than the US so-called London Broil rip-off.], many different types of meat pie, bread that tastes like bread [How can Americans put up with the bread they eat is beyond me], and of course, our famous fish and chips.
    Plus the beer is a damn sight better than the water that comes out of the US. [Except for some small microbreweries and brew-pubs that actually make something with a flavour that you can drink at non-cryogenic temperatures.]
    Having lived in various countries I can also testify that the ratio of "mighty-fine" to "minger" is not so bad in the UK as common prejudice would dictate.
    Even in the bleak industrial north of the country. ["Eeh, It's grim up north"]
    So stop with the ridiculous, sarcastic, and ignorant, jokes about some of the things I, and most other expats, actually miss of the "home country".

  14. Re:more numbers... by antic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, the count is higher in the UK and Australia because new shows/series screening in the US are delayed before they're shown here.

    If there was no lag, I think you'd find the download counts a lot more even, or weighted towards the US.

    Australia, as you noted, really doesn't have the best speeds/rates for broadband -- a lot of customers would be hit with huge bandwidth bills if they were to regularly download movies/TV shows.

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  15. Brilliant. by i41Overlord · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Point out how stereotypes are bad, then proceed to cast your own stereotype about Americans. Brilliant.

    One guy wrote that article, there's no need to offend the other 280 million people living here.

    I went to England last year and I liked it. Didn't meet too many people like you.