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Optimizations - Programmer vs. Compiler?

Saravana Kannan asks: "I have been coding in C for a while (10 yrs or so) and tend to use short code snippets. As a simple example, take 'if (!ptr)' instead of 'if (ptr==NULL)'. The reason someone might use the former code snippet is because they believe it would result in smaller machine code if the compiler does not do optimizations or is not smart enough to optimize the particular code snippet. IMHO the latter code snippet is clearer than the former, and I would use it in my code if I know for sure that the compiler will optimize it and produce machine code equivalent to the former code snippet. The previous example was easy. What about code that is more complex? Now that compilers have matured over years and have had many improvements, I ask the Slashdot crowd, what they believe the compiler can be trusted to optimize and what must be hand optimized?" "How would your answer differ (in terms of the level of trust on the compiler) if I'm talking about compilers for Desktops vs. Embedded systems? Compilers for which of the following platforms do you think is more optimized at present - Desktops (because is more commonly used) or Embedded systems (because of need for maximum optimization)? Would be better if you could stick to free (as in beer) and Open Source compilers. Give examples of code optimizations that you think the compiler can/can't be trusted to do."

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  1. Clear Code by elysian1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think writing clear and easy to understand code is more important in the long run, especially if other people will have to look at it.

    1. Re:Clear Code by normal_guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That should be "especially _since_ other people will have to look at it."

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    2. Re:Clear Code by daveho · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree 100%. Write code that is easy to understand and modify, then optimize it, but only after you have profiled it to find out where optimization will actually matter .

    3. Re:Clear Code by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      An important lesson that I wish I had learned when I was younger ;) It is crazy to start optimizing before you know where your bottlenecks are. Don't guess - run a profiler. It's not hard, and you'll likely get some big surprises.

      Another thing to remember is this: the compiler isn't stupid; don't pretend that it is. I had senior developers at an earlier job mad at me because I wasn't creating temporary variables for the limits of my loop indices (on unprofiled code, nonetheless!). It took actually digging up an article on the net to show that all modern compilers automatically dereference any const references (be they arrays, linked lists, const object functions, etc) before starting the loop.

      Another example: function calls. I've heard some people be insistant that the way to speed up an inner loop is to remove the code from function calls so that you don't have function call overhead. No! Again, compilers will do this for you. As compilers were evolving, they added the "inline" keyword, which does this for you. Eventually, the compilers got smart enough that they started inlining code on their own when not specified and not inlining it when coders told it to be inline if it would be inefficient. Due to coder pressure, at least one compiler that I read about had an "inlinedamnit" (or something to that effect) keyword to force inlining when you're positive that you know better than the compiler ;)

      Once again, the compiler isn't stupid. If an optimization seems "obvious" to you, odds are pretty good that the compiler will take care of it. Go for the non-obvious optimizations. Can you remove a loop from a nested set of loops by changing how you're representing your data? Can you replace a hack that you made with standard library code (which tends to be optimized like crazy)? Etc. Don't start dereferencing variables, removing the code from function calls, or things like this. The compiler will do this for you.

      If possible, work with the compiler to help it. Use "restrict". Use "const". Give it whatever clues you can.

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    4. Re:Clear Code by lubricated · · Score: 5, Insightful

      well the first thing to optimize is the algorithm. Use a O(n^2) algorithm that does the same job as an O(e^n) algorithm if you can. Algorithmical optimization makes the most difference. I am working on a program who's speed is directly proportional to how how often a particular function is called. Well, I try to reduce calls to this function by various means, no compiler I've sean can optimize an algorithm, only the implementation of it. With that I'm happy to have the compiler do the work.

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  2. Algorithms, Not Stupid Processor Tricks by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is marginally away from the submitter's question, but it warrnats attention:

    The sad truth is that, as far as optimization goes, this isn't where attention is most needed.

    Before we start worrying about things like saving two cycles here and there, we need to start teaching people how to select the proper algorithm for the task at hand.

    There are too many programmers who spend hours turning their code into unreadable mush for the sake of squeezing a few milliseconds out of a loop that runs on the order of O(n!) or O(2^n).

    For 99% of the coders out there, all that needs to be known about code optimization is: pick the right algorithms! Couple this with readable code, and you'll have a program that runs several thousand times faster than it'll ever need to and is easy to maintain--and that's probably all you'll ever need.

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  3. Most people should not bother by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about code that is more complex? Now that compilers have matured over years and have had many improvements, I ask the Slashdot crowd, what they believe the compiler can be trusted to optimize and what must be hand optimized?

    Programmers cost lots more per hour than computer time. Let the compiler optimize and let the programmers concentrated on developing solid maintainable code.

    If you make code too clever in an effort to try to pre-optimize, you end up with code that other people have difficulty understanding. This is leads to lower quality code as it evolves if the people that follow you are not as savvy.

    Not only that, but the vast majority of code written today is UI-centric or I/O bound. If you want real optimization, design a harddrive/controller combo that gets you 1 GBps off the physical platter (and at a price that consumers can afford).

  4. Those who forget Tony Hoare... by smug_lisp_weenie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...are doomed to repeat the biggest trap in computer programming over and over again:

    "Premature optimization is the root of all evil"

    If there's only one rule in computer programming a person ever learns, "Hoare's dictum" is the one I would choose.

    Almost all modern languages have extensive libraries available to handle common programming tasks and can handle the vast majority of optimizations you speak of automatically. This means that 99.99% of the time you shouldn't be thinking about optimizations at all. Unless you're John Carmack or you're writing a new compiler from scratch (and perhaps you are) or involved in a handful of other activities you're making a big big mistake if your spending any time worrying about these things. There are far more important things to worry about, such as writing code that can be understood by others, can easily be units tested, etc.

    A few years ago I used to write C/C++/asm code extensively and used to be obsessed with performance and optimization. Then, one day, I had an epiphany and started writing code that is about 10 times slower than my old code (different in computer language and style) and infinitely easier to understand and expand. The only time I optimize now is at the very very end of development when I have solid profiler results from the final product that show noticable delays for the end user and this only happens rarely.

    Of course, this is just my own personal experience and others may see things differently.

  5. Write C for C programmers by swillden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With regard to your example, I can't imagine any modern compiler wouldn't treat the two as equivalent.

    However, in your example, I actually prefer "if (!ptr)" to "if (ptr == NULL)", for two reasons. First the latter is more error-prone, because you can accidentally end up with "if (ptr = NULL)". One common solution to avoid that problem is to write "if (NULL == ptr)", but that just doesn't read well to me. Another is to turn on warnings, and let your compiler point out code like that -- but that assumes a decent compiler.

    The second, and more important, reason is that to anyone who's been writing C for a while, the compact representation is actually clearer because it's an instantly-recognizable idiom. To me, parsing the "ptr == NULL" format requires a few microseconds of thought to figure out what you're doing. "!ptr" requires none. There are a number of common idioms in C that are strange-looking at first, but soon become just another part of your programming vocabulary. IMO, if you're writing code in a given language, you should write it in the style that is most comfortable to other programmers in that language. I think proper use of idiomatic expressions *enhances* maintainability. Don't try to write Pascal in C, or Java in C++, or COBOL in, well, anything, but that's a separate issue :-)

    Oh, and my answer to your more general question about whether or not you should try to write code that is easy for the compiler... no. Don't do that. Write code that is clear and readable to programmers and let the compiler do what it does. If profiling shows that a particular piece of code is too slow, then figure out how to optimize it, whether by tailoring the code, dropping down to assembler, or whatever. But not before.

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  6. code should be written for people to read by SamSeaborn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute."
    - Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs

  7. Re:Not always. by Foz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, you're adopting a black or white approach. You are, in essence, saying that you don't need to comment at all. The original poster was saying that comments needed to be everywhere, on everything. I believe in a middle ground approach.

    I comment things that are non intuitive. I comment things that I *think* may be non intuitive. I comment things that I think someone else might have some difficulty understanding, because I happened to be deep into a code burn and consequently wrote something pretty tight, pretty sweet, but also pretty obfuscated. Finally, I comment things that I think *I* may not understand when I go back and look at the code again 3 months from now.

    I don't comment every single line... I don't comment simple data structures, loops "/* this is a for loop using the integer variable I */" etc which would be stupid. I do however disassemble the complex portions of my code, describe how I'm dispatching events and best of all *why* I decided to do things a certain way instead of a different way.

    I have, however, been handed 30k lines of code with zero documentation and not a single comment anywhere in it, with absolutely no clue at all how it worked and no access to the original programmer and been told "We need such and such fixed|updated|added by friday" and had to spend the entire week basically tracing every single line of code to figure out that the original programmer must have been smoking crack with NO indication of why he wrote things how he did and NO help when he decided to be exceedingly "clever"
    in his code. That time was wasted.

    Would it have killed him to simply put a comment block explaining his event dispatch model? Or to tell me what his functions and methods did and best of all why they did it?

    There *is* a middle ground, believe it or not.

    -- Gary F.