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Music Site AllofMP3 Under Investigation

Nick Irelan writes "AllofMP3.com, a Russian music site that is famous due to its low prices, has been accused of copyright infringment. Although the site said it bought licenses, some record companies are claiming that the documents it purchased aren't valid. The Moscow Police Computer Crimes Division has investigated AllofMP3 and the Moscow Prosecuter's office must decide what it will do by March 7th."

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  1. Heise News article by derphilipp · · Score: 5, Informative

    Theres also an article on the german newsswite Heise : http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/56678
    Babelfish Translation

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  2. They better not shut it down, by AC-x · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's where I get most my MP3s from!

    On a serious note this is exactly what other online music sites should offer, like hell I'm paying $1 PER TRACK for DRM restricted files, but if they offered albums for $2-$3 each DRM free then, well, I'd probably never use filesharing again.

  3. You should read.... by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 3, Informative

    ....the "The Gulag Archipelago", vols. I through III, by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn to prepare your self for what awaits you after Russian security servcices snatch you off the street and cart you off to recieve your just punishment in a secret Gulag they run in Siberia in cooperation with RIAA. The standard sentence is three years, locked in a rubber room listening to bagpipe music 24/7.

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  4. Re:Russian Licenses only by Datasage · · Score: 4, Informative

    I did find it.

    I also found that its not a goverment orginization but part of a company called ZETA corporation. Which is a company of IP lawyers. They also run all the websites related to copyright in russia. roms.ru copyright.ru and several otehrs.

    I dont know, that doesnt make them illegitimate, but there are questions.

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  5. Re:Russian Licenses only by Frantactical+Fruke · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a quote from another Russian, frequently renamed download site, which has a link to said organization. Rumor has it that it's just about impossible for foreigners to get money out of them.

    "The Audio1 Services are licensed in accordance with the Licensing Agreement and the License # LS-3M-04-164, issued by the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society. All respective copyrights owners, including songwriters, authors, composers, artists, music publishers and recording companies are fully compensated through the Russian Multimedia and Internet Society www.roms.ru, which in accordance with the Law of the Russian Federation "On Copyright and Related Rights" is entitled to issue licenses on behalf of different copyright owners and pay them license fees."

    Apparently, you just pay them a fee and you're 'licensed' to distribute anything you want.

  6. mp3search.ru by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    for those people interested in a russian music service, club.mp3search.ru is another one you might consider, I've used it for a while and while it doesn't offer you the format/bitrate of your choice it does have high quality mp3s </shameless plug>

  7. Re:What is wrong with you lilly livered cowards ?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Well, when bringing in a camcorder in a movie theater is a federal offence...

    Fucking laws are out of control.

    Since when should the punishment for recording something meet/exceed that for a lesser murder charge?

  8. Re:legal side... by WoodenRobot · · Score: 3, Informative
    For once. JUST ONCE. I wish people would vote for who they think is a better leader, instead of voting with their party. If they can't decide - don't vote.

    In 2000, "issue awareness"--knowledge of the stands of the candidate-producing organizations on issues--reached an all-time low. Currently available evidence suggests it may have been even lower in 2004. About 10 percent of voters said their choice would be based on the candidate's "agendas/ideas/platforms/goals": 6 percent for Bush voters, 13 percent for Kerry voters (Gallup). The rest would vote for what the industry calls "qualities" or "values," which are the political counterpart to toothpaste ads.
    source This is quite depressing...
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  9. Re:Allofmp3 beats iTunes by eric76 · · Score: 3, Informative

    My opinion of large companies is that most of them got there by being less than honest. And they haven't turned honest now that they are large.

    I think that the average American consumer is far more honest and ethical than the average large company, American or not. And small companies with integrity have little chance of ever being large companies with integrity.

    The real difference is that the large companies can afford herds of lawyers who can help them limit their liabilities. There aren't many large companies out there that won't trample all over your rights if they can make money as a result.

    The surprising thing is that so many of the large companies find themselves in hot water so often.

    Of course, our Congresscritters have recently passed a law to reduce their liabilities (by making it far more difficult and expensive to keep them honest) with the recent anti-class action lawsuit law.

    So now we have large record companies that calculate expenses in such a way as to make it nearly impossible for many recording artists to ever come out ahead. Yet, they keep going with recording artists that can't come out ahead so you know the record companies are making money out of them.

    Don't the recording companies now routinely require the artists to assign their copyrights to the record companies before they'll even record the music? I seem to remember reading something about that two or three years ago.

  10. Re:What? by strider44 · · Score: 2, Informative

    AllOfMP3 isn't cheap by russian standards, and there doesn't seem to be anything stopping people exporting the songs. I'm wondering what will gome of this, since it isn't clear cut.

  11. Re:The real question is - by westlake · · Score: 2, Informative
    No, the real question is: Why are you afraid? Downloading music is never illegal. Sharing copyrighted music is copyright infringement. Downloading music is not.

    It is convenient and cost-effective to pursue the uploader, but, under American law, the downloader does indeed infringe copyright and may be pursued in the civil courts by the copyright holder, and in the federal criminal courts, by the government, if the offense reaches the statutory threshold.

  12. Re:Legal to import regardless of Russian legality by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 4, Informative

    However, two problems remain with US law.

    First is that downloading is not importation, it is reproduction, and that therefore any exception permitting for importation is inapplicable. Importation only occurs where a work is fixed in a tangible object (such objects are called copies), and the object itself is brought across a border. Where instead a work is transmitted across a border, and is fixed into a new tangible object at the end -- such as RAM or a hard drive -- reproduction (the act of fixing a work into a copy) has occurred.

    Second, note that while some importation as described above is allowed -- not that any occurs in conjunction with allofmp3 -- it is still generally illegal unless certain conditions are met. For example, if the copy sought to be imported was made in the US, then it could be re-imported. Or if it is imported with the permission of the US rightsholder. Or if it is imported for personal use AND was made in a way that, had it been made where US law applied, it would not have infringed against the US rightsholder (i.e. making whatever oddities of Russian law it was made under irrelevant).

    So actually, obvious bootlegs generally cannot be lawfully imported. They may slip through, US borders not being all that tightly controlled. But again, no one is really importing anything from allofmp3, so this is a moot point.

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  13. Re:legal side... by Skye16 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think the point he's trying to make is the majority of us get Shitty Choice A and Shitty Choice B. And then you get to sniff them both for a while and figure out which shit smells the least bad, and then you put that in office.

    I could go on and on with these analogies. A flaming stick in your left eye or an acid spewing stick in your right eye. Cat hairball in your left shoe or dog vomit in your right.

    Most people never get a candidate they actually believe in. They pick the best from a bad group. If you were one of the lucky ones who actually truly believed in Bush completely, then I must say, I'm jealous of your luck. But for me, Kerry was almost as bad as Bush and we had no one better to pick from. I've only been able to vote twice, but I'm seriously considering never doing it again. It's essentially pick-your-poison, and I guess I'd rather just not play that game at all.

    Or maybe I'm just cynical and jaded. /shrug

  14. Re:Too bad by dema · · Score: 2, Informative

    It doesn't. If the artists want money from these sales, their labels must sign up with the ROMS (http://www.roms.ru/ - Note most sections not translated to English -- they have been like that for at least five months now). I work for an independent music distribution and a while back we discovered half of our catalog on a couple different Russian music download sites. We discussed this with our labels to see if any of them had any idea about this, and of course none did.

    After some research we discovered that by joining ROMS one could theoretically get their portion of the sales. We emailed ROMS on a couple different occasions many (four or so) months ago and to this day we have received no response. One of our labels put it best:

    Being that this is a Russian based website, would you honestly give them your credit card number? :)

    HELLLL NOOOO

  15. Re:legal side... by SirChive · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most Americans are no longer able to distinguish a Presidential campaign from the latest episode of American Idol. Watch TV and vote for who you like: that's all there is to it.

  16. Re:If you want to pay the artist, then do so direc by shark72 · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Like most "interesting facts" in the world, those are wrong. If it wasn't profitable to make an album, then those albums wouldn't be made. Simple as that. They make money on the vast majority of albums and then screw the artist by use of creative accounting practices"

    No, the GP is correct. The recording industry is what's called a "speculative" business. It's a bit like playing the stock market, or investing VC money. Nine investments may lose money for you, but that tenth one just might pay for all the rest. In the recording industry, one gold or platinum record can keep a company afloat for a year.

    I certainly understand that this isn't intuitive to somebody who hasn't been in a speculative business, but nonetheless, that's how it works. This is why you seldom see record companies on the Fortune 500 (except for those that are part of some conglomerate), and why you seldom see analysts issue "buy" ratings for record companies. It's also why small record labels go out of business all the time (but new ones seem to pop up at an equal rate).

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