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Floaters are the New Pop-Ups

windowpain writes "A prior Slashdot article discussed the ever-increasing ability of pop-up ads to break through adblocking software. Now the New York Times (registration required) is reporting that pop-ups are pooped out, replaced by those annoying "floaters" that are even more resistant to conventional pop-up blocking software. From the article: 'Not to be confused with pop-up ads, which open new windows and clutter virtual desktops, these floaters, or overlays, or popovers (no one can agree on a name), can evade the pop-up blockers that many Web browsers have incorporated. In the last year, according to Nielsen/NetRatings, which collects and analyzes data on Web advertising, the frequency of these ads has risen markedly, by almost 32 percent from December 2003 to December 2004, while pop-ups in that period declined by 41 percent.'"

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  1. Not a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    With Mozilla/Firefox these new ads are actually not a problem. Just use a userContent.css file to block them.

    For example, I found some that use divs with IDs, so I just added something like:

    div#GF__p_0,
    div#floatpop { display: none !important;}

    And, poof, they're gone. Sometimes it can be difficult to figure out what to block, but the Webdeveloper extension can help quite a bit.

    1. Re:Not a problem by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Informative
      That's helpful, I've been resorting to disabling javascript for some of them, but it screws with some sites i need javascript enabled for.

      There's alwasy some pricks trying to ruin the web for everyone else.

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    2. Re:Not a problem by shird · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, until they start using random names for the floats.

      The solution is to not allow layered content like that to cover up the page in the actual browser core.

      This is similar to blocking popups using a *popup.html* filter instead of actual logic in the browser to prevent windows from appearing unless the user has clicked the mouse and requested them.

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    3. Re:Not a problem by JSBiff · · Score: 4, Informative

      While I agree that it is kind of a band-aid approach, your approach doesn't work either. If you disallow divs to overlap any other content, then you have just disabled a lot of non-offending uses of dhtml. For example, drop down menus that don't use flash (really, I'd rather have dhtml menus than flash menus). Lots of different types of animation effects (like, for example, maybe a web-app would use a 'slide-out' notifier to alert you when you have new messages, like when using a web-forum with private messaging built in).

      Some people use this in a highly annoying way, it's true. But the solution is NOT "to not allow layered content like that to cover up the page in the actual browser core." If you are going to do that, you might as well just turn off javascript, which most browsers will let you do, already.

    4. Re:Not a problem by josh3736 · · Score: 3, Informative
      For Windows users, it's not a problem at all. The Proxomitron solves every anti-Web annoyance need. It acts as a rewriting HTTP proxy based on regexps that runs on your own machine. If you see an ad that makes it through, just whip up a quick regexp and poof, it's gone, no matter what domain it comes from.

      Advertisers might be able to come up with new ways to make me see or hear their ads, but it will only happen once. It takes me only 2 minutes to ensure I never see their ad again. Honestly, when will Internet advertisers understand that when I've gone out of my way to block your ads, I really don't want to see them? I'm not going to say, "ooh! This guy figured out a way to get around my ad filters, he must make good products!" Get real. I'll never buy anything from X10 just because they were one of the biggest purveyors of popups back in the day.

      Annoying people is not a good way to convince them to buy your product.

  2. Article Text by th1ckasabr1ck · · Score: 3, Informative
    If you happened upon nj.com in the last month, you might have noticed a clucking penguin waddling across the computer screen, stumbling over text as it promoted a local utility company.

    On a cricket league chat board in New Zealand, exasperated users have been deluged with floating squares that try to interest them in mattresses, dating services and officially licensed trinkets from the "Lord of the Rings" film trilogy.

    Not to be confused with pop-up ads, which open new windows and clutter virtual desktops, these floaters, or overlays, or popovers (no one can agree on a name), can evade the pop-up blockers that many Web browsers have incorporated.

    In the last year, according to Nielsen/NetRatings, which collects and analyzes data on Web advertising, the frequency of these ads has risen markedly, by almost 32 percent from December 2003 to December 2004, while pop-ups in that period declined by 41 percent.

    The floater ads, often using a computer's Macromedia Flash Player to run, overlay the content of the page rather than spawning new windows. They have been around since 2001, but their rise has been abetted by the growing use of high-speed Internet connections, allowing them to play with greater ease.

    Floaters are one example of a variety of online ads known in the industry as rich media. Some variants include banner ads that expand to show graphics and streaming video when the cursor is waved over them; a tamer version packs the video and graphics into a static, or polite, banner. All have a common characteristic: they cannot be categorically blocked by existing technology.

    To many, they are just as irritating as pop-up ads, if not more so. On the New Zealand cricket chat board, one user declared, "This form of advertising is without a doubt the most ridiculous and offensive form I have ever come across."

    But as with pop-ups (before pop-up blockers), their appeal to advertisers is simple: they get people to click, usually transporting them to the advertiser's site. While static Web ads typically have "click through" rates of 0.5 percent of viewers, according to numerous industry studies, the rate for pop-ups and floaters is 3 percent to 5 percent, though some studies suggest that many of those clicks are attempts to get rid of the ad.

    According to Nielsen/NetRatings, the sites on which such ads were most common in the year ended in December were three Microsoft sites - www.msn.com, www.msnbc.com and Hotmail - followed by espn.com and www.yahoo.com.

    Although most advertisers and the sites where the ads appear seem happy with the use of the floater ads, recent research suggests problems. A study of 2,500 British Internet users released last month by OMD UK found that just as many Web users (44 percent) were annoyed with floaters as they were with pop-ups. Many major sites, like nytimes.com and www.msn.com, limit the number of times a person is shown such an ad. (At nytimes.com, the limit is once per visit to the site.)

    "We want to do something that's informative and entertaining as opposed to being annoying," said Joanne Bradford, vice president and chief media revenue officer for msn.com. "That's our guiding principle." To that end, the company introduced on Feb. 1 a design that limited the number of ads on the main page. (Ms. Bradford would not say by how much.) The action, she noted, did prompt "a little bit of squawking" from advertisers.

    Some are trying to figure out other ways to stop the onslaught. Mozilla, designer of the popular (and free) Web browser Firefox, which offers a pop-up blocker, is trying to block floater ads as well, but has so far been unsuccessful, said Chris Hofmann, director of engineering for the Mozilla Foundation. "It really is an arms race," he said.

    Jarvis Coffin, chief executive of Burst Media, a company that sells advertising for more than 2,000 Web sites, said that even though he is a fan of the "rich media" ads, he warns that advertisers should understand that they cannot deluge people with the technology without consequence. "Just because you can do it doesn't make it a smart thing to do," he said.

  3. Flashblock by alnjmshntr · · Score: 3, Informative

    Many of those floaters are created using flash, so use Flashblock to prevent them from showing.
    Flashblock and AdBlock == good surfing experience.

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  4. Re:Flash suppression by cswiii · · Score: 5, Informative

    I haven't had it installed lately because my adblock does a pretty good job of blocking flash that I don't want to see, but
    flashblock is what I used to use... it blocks out flash until you click on it to view.

  5. how do they work? by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Informative

    dhtml z-index?

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  6. Re:Hey! by FunWithHeadlines · · Score: 5, Informative
    "Would you watch a TV station that played its ads over the show, cutting in at random moments so you miss key dialogue? Me neither. There are ways to host ads on Web sites that don't annoy the hell out of the user."

    It already happens. You're watching a TV show and suddenly a swirling logo appears in a corner and then an ad for another show on that network appears. And then during the closing credits, the network will break in with obnoxious promos that block out anything you can see or hear on screen.

  7. For cripes sakes people, make a HOSTS file. by Yekrats · · Score: 3, Informative

    After using Dan Pollock's hosts file for a few months, virtually all of that monkey business has disappeared. That, Firefox, and Adblock have made the web bearable for me.

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  8. Re:"Remove this object" by slavemowgli · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here's a convenient link for those too lazy to Google for it: NukeAnything. Note, however, that this is a one-time nuke only; the object will be back the next time you view the page.

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  9. Re:"Remove this object" by erykjj · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry, the link above should be this.

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  11. AdBlock = easier by CdBee · · Score: 5, Informative

    Adblock can also kill the floater by preventing it loading. (I prefer "floater" as its alternative meaning in British is that of a turd in water)

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  12. Re:Obviously... by davez0r · · Score: 3, Informative

    dude, it's in adblock!

    you can block scripts as well as iframes for the page from the little adblock menu in the lower right.

  13. Re:Complain by barzok · · Score: 4, Informative
    The biggest annoyance isn't even the ad - it's Flash Player. Flash player will NOT let you disable *any* flash animation that is embedded in a webpage. *Some* flash animations seem to allow you to stop them (by right-clicking, and toggling the 'Play' menu option), but it appears to be something that webpages can disable. This is something that has always made me royally angry with Macromedia. It's *my* computer, I should have the final control over it, not the person embedding flash content on the page. I should *always* have the option of stopping the flash animation.

    I would just get rid of flash, but unfortunately, too many sites use it for critical parts of their webpages. *sigh*.
    Get the Flashblock extension for FireFox/Mozilla. It'll let you choose which Flash animations to play, and which sit there idle.
  14. Maxthon can stamp out most of these ads. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 3, Informative

    These new "floater" ads can be stamped out if you have the right functionality in the web browser itself.

    I'm currently running MySoft Technology's Maxthon (formerly MyIE2) shell program for Internet Explorer 5.x and later, which has a very powerful function called AD Hunter. AD Hunter not only blocks mostly pop-up windows, but also the vast majority of "floating" ads, Flash animated ads, a large number of online static ads and even allows you to block ActiveX objects! :-) I wonder why Mozilla 1.7.x and Firefox 1.x doesn't offer this level of blocking control without having to do a lot of manual configuration with third-party add-ons.