Microsoft Admits Targeting Wine Users

Buddha Joe wrote in to mention that the lack of Windows updates for Wine users is the result of a Microsoft's active targeting of Wine users. ZDNet has the story. From the article: "As the most popular third-party translation technology in use, Wine was the first emulator to be specifically tested for via WGA"

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If ever there was a case.....

[ip_freely_2000]

...for the separation of Microsoft's Operating Systems business from the Application business, this would be it.

It's too bad this didn't happen a while back during the trial years.

That's a great acknowledgement from Microsoft

[jeremy_white]

I'm really impressed by how hard Ingrid worked on this; I told her I didn't think she get Microsoft to comment officially, and yet she did. Way to go!

And I'm thrilled to have Microsoft say that Wine is the "the most popular third-party translation technology in use".

The one thing I felt she didn't emphasize enough though was that this is not a problem for Wine - we shouldn't (and mostly don't) need any OS component downloads from Microsoft. In fact, we're just finishing up work to make any need for DCOM or MSI or any other 'common downloads' from Microsoft unnecessary.

It's always nice when the other guy blinks :-).

Short Article, Good News

[dhj]

The article on ZDNet is REALLY short and there's no excuse for anyone not reading it.

As it's already mentioned you don't have the right to use Windows Updater if you don't own Windows. It's just like you can't use Redhat Network unless you own Redhat. Only Redhat is even more restrictive with their update services than Windows Update, granted their services are more comprehensive.

Some interesting tidbits from the article...

White, CEO at CodeWeavers (acompany that utilizes Wine), said 'he was excited rather than worried to hear that the WGA validation tool was blocking Wine. "The reason we love this is because this shows that Microsoft is aware of Wine at very high levels," said White. "For us it's exciting -- it is an acknowledgement of us as a threat."

Also, the spokesperson for windows 'said users who are not running Windows XP or Windows 2000 natively can still download updates for Microsoft Office from the Office Update Web site.'

So you can still get the updates manually, which is something anyone running Wine over linux probably has the expertise to do.

The only reason we have Windows machines where I work is because of Microsoft Office file compatibility. Wine and consequently Codeweaver's CrossOver Office is a HUGE threat to Windows OS, and it's a good sign that Microsoft is forced to recognize this.

--David

A better Windows than Windows.....

[big-giant-head]

Trying to run windows crap in OS2 is one of things that killed it. IBM spent so much time trying to run windows inside OS2, they completely missed supplying good OS2 native apps.

Wine is good for running old windows apps that you have ( I still Office 7 !!!???? and open office of course), but if anyone spends too much time trying to emulate windows (ala os2) then MS will simply screw you over. As soon as one thing works, they will break it.

If you are using a current MS app either 1) run windows 2) find/create a linux based alternative.

People will scream that yadddadda M$ app is just what they need. Trying to build a 'better windows than windows' is a game no one can win (not even IBM).

Re:ReactOS also has the Wine registry key

[RonnyJ]

The Wine WinMM.dll uses the Wine key and as such ReactOS will fail the check as well.

This check creates a possibile vulnerability for future trojans/viruses to exploit - they could just place this Wine key into the Windows registry, and thus block Windows updates for the user.

Re:No obligation...

[JHromadka]

And what would happen if a virus/trojan went and added that WINE registry entry? Would updates stop working so users wouldn't be able to install patches? Thanks Microsoft!