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GlobalFlyer 'Round The World Solo Flight Takes Off

bryanthompson writes "The Virgin Atlantic GlobalFlyer took off from the Salina Municipal Airport this evening at about 6:47 CST. The Salina Airport was chosen for its central location, and the fact that it is one of the few air strips long enough for the flyer to take off successfully. The trip around the world is expected to take about 80 hours, with speeds averaging 285 mph. The craft was designed for Sir Richard Branson by Burt Rutan of Scaled Composites, who also designed SpaceShipOne." Steve Fossett is piloting the craft, intended (as reader aallan puts it), "to be the first solo non-stop flight around the world without refuelling."

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  1. Live Tracking by KaSkA101 · · Score: 5, Informative
  2. First solo JET flight. by Bombcar · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't know if that's important, but it is the first solo non-refueling JET flight.

    1. Re:First solo JET flight. by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...and end up basically hating each other by the end of the flight. Imagine sitting for several days in a closet with your significant other, not really able to move much, with little to no privacy, no washing, no change of clothes, and no way of just getting away for even a few minutes. As I recall, their relationship did not last much after the flight, and soured even further afterward.

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  3. First *jet* non-stop, wasn't it? by r.jimenezz · · Score: 3, Informative
    "to be the first solo non-stop flight around the world without refuelling."

    I was under the impression Rutan himself achieved this many moons ago. This one would the first jet-powered craft to do it, though.

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    1. Re:First *jet* non-stop, wasn't it? by ptomblin · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, that was Burt Rutan's brother Dick, and Jeanne Yeager (who is Chuck's daughter, I believe). That was the first non-stop non-refueled flight, but it wasn't solo.

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    2. Re:First *jet* non-stop, wasn't it? by wasted · · Score: 3, Informative

      ...and Jeanne Yeager (who is Chuck's daughter, I believe).

      Not according to this site. It seems that they are not related.

  4. Re:sleepy? by bwb · · Score: 3, Informative

    Modafinil might do the trick.

  5. First SOLO non-stop unrefueled flight... by wasted · · Score: 4, Informative

    Mr. Rutan was accompanied by Ms. Yeager.

    1. Re:First SOLO non-stop unrefueled flight... by n6mod · · Score: 3, Informative

      And it was Burt's brother Dick who was the pilot.

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  6. Voyager? by corngrower · · Score: 3, Informative
    I remember when the first non-stop, non-refueled flight around the world was made back in about 1980. There were two pilots on board that time. One of the Rutans and a woman, Yeager, I believe.

    That plane was so loaded with fuel on takeoff, that the rate of climb was very very slow, maybe 150 ft/minute. The wings, which were loaded with fuel would droop down and had to be supported by small wheels at the wingtips until the plane gathered enough speed for the wings to develop lift.

    I wish Fosset good luck on this journey. Things will be touch and go for awhile until the fuel load has been lightened and the plane becomes responsive. A lot of things can go wrong, but hopefully improved technology will make things easier and improve his chance of success for this round the world flight.

    1. Re:Voyager? by FuturePastNow · · Score: 4, Informative

      Voyager was flown by Burt Rutan's brother, Dick, and Jeanna Yeager (no relation to Chuck) in 1986.

      As for the responsiveness issue, I bet that's why they delayed the flight for so long because of weather. To get clear skies for the first few hours. GlobalFlyer's service ceiling is listed as 50,000 feet, which should put it above the weather for most of the flight (Voyager was unpressurised and could fly no higher than 11,000 feet, and so was much more subject to the weather).

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  7. Shame about the refueling by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Informative

    The fastest jet plane in the world is still the SR71 Blackbird. It flew at Mach 3.35 or 2,275 mph (3,660 km/h). The circumference of the earth is 24,859.82 miles (40,008 km). So that means the Blackbird would do a flight around the world in 11 hours. Unfortunately it only had a range of 2,590 nm (4,800 km), so it would have to refuel at least 9 times. In a way, it's amazing that someone can build a plane that can carry enough fuel and still do the trip in less than 8x the time.

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    1. Re:Shame about the refueling by Alien+Being · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:Shame about the refueling by NormalVisual · · Score: 3, Informative

      More interesting still is that the plane is about a foot or so longer while flying at operational speed than on the ground, owing to the frictional heat. This is the reason for the grooves in the fuselage - they allow the skin to expand uniformly instead of trying to curl up. The SR's also leak fuel like sieves until they can get up to speed and the tanks seal properly, thus one of the first actions taken after takeoff is a midair refuelling, shortly followed by the proverbial leap to hyperspace.

      Kelly Johnson was one extremely smart guy.

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    3. Re:Shame about the refueling by boarder · · Score: 3, Informative

      Look, take it from a guy with a masters in aerospace engineering... the difference between a rocket engine and a jet engine is where they get their oxidizer. A jet carries its fuel and pulls oxygen from the air to create a propellant, then it combusts the two after a pressure differential for greater exit velocity (this incluedes a scramjet). A rocket carries both fuel and oxidizer and either combines the two in a varying ratio like a liquid engine or has them precombined like a solid. A jet needs exterior oxygen from the atmosphere, while a rocket can work anywhere. The other reply to your post got modded as redundant, when it should be informative. Just wanted to make sure nobody else thought you were correct.

      BTW, the idea that a jet creates a pressure differential to move it is very quaint; thanks for giving me a chuckle. That is how a wing gives lift, but it isn't how a jet works. Granted, if you didn't ignite any fuel in the accelerated airstream in the engine you might get some acceleration (never looked into that, but it sounds plausible), the majority of the force comes from expelling mass at high velocity.

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  8. Funny you should mention the Wright Brothers by joemc91 · · Score: 5, Informative

    They held up progress in aviation for almost 10 years in the US by making their plans secret and suing anybody who made planes. Their big patent fight was against Curtis Aircraft who invented ailerons, whereas the Wright's used wing-warping. During that time up till the early 20's, France took the lead in aviation, hence all the French sounding parts: fuselage, aileron, empenage, etc. Of course they contributed the most out of anyone in the old days but after the first few flyers there wasn't nearly as much innovation coming out of Wright Airplanes. The last truly succesful product they made, please correct me if I'm wrong, was the Wright Cyclone, a large radial engine used in WWII aircraft.

  9. Re:Any landing you walk away from... by FuturePastNow · · Score: 2, Informative

    GlobalFlyer's takeoff weight of 22,000lbs is more than six times its empty weight, so once some of that fuel is gone it will be able to use a much shorter runway.

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  10. Re:Looks to me by Colgate2003 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Scaled Composites is a high-tech aerospace leader. Check out their projects page.

    Those are just the ones that they can tell you about. Scaled is where the Skunk Works and other such places go when even they can figure something out.

  11. Re:sleepy? by Martin+Blank · · Score: 4, Informative

    He'll be sleeping longer than a few minutes, but there won't be any eight-hour snoozes for him. The autopilot ensures that no matter what his alertness condition, the appropriate settings will be used to maximize fuel efficiency. He'll have the option of taking over in an emergency, but for the most part, he's just along for the ride.

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  12. Re:What kind of jet? by xlv · · Score: 3, Informative
    A) What kind of jet is he using?

    B) How is he storing all that fuel?

    Both answers can be found in the plane description at http://www.virginatlanticglobalflyer.com/Aircraft/ Introduction/index.jsp:
    The aircraft is a trimaran-like construction with two huge external 'booms' which hold the landing gear, and 5,454 pounds of fuel on either side of the pilot's cockpit in the centre on top of which is the single Williams turbofan jet engine.

  13. Re:Any landing you walk away from... by the+pickle · · Score: 3, Informative

    Landing generally takes anywhere from 3/4 to as little as about 1/3 of the length required to get off the ground. Obviously this depends a lot on the plane's design, but I've yet to see ANY fixed-wing aircraft that requires more runway to land than to take off. (The space shuttle doesn't count.)

    When you're landing, you can dump your (remaining) fuel and land at a much lighter weight, thereby giving the brakes less energy to dissipate. Also, brakes are typically far more efficient at destroying thrust than engines are at creating it. Finally, most aircraft have other thrust- and lift-destroying devices that can be deployed during a maximum-performance landing (thrust reversers, speed brakes, spoilers, etc.), all of which help to reduce the landing distance, but don't help takeoffs at all.

    The point of this long-windedness is basically to say that they won't have any problem finding emergency landing strips in the (fairly unlikely, IMO) event that they need one.

    IAAP&CFI.

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  14. Re:First Solo flight by the+pickle · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, not only has a solo circumglobal flight been done before, Fossett was the one who did it, albeit in a balloon.

    p

  15. Re:this makes no sense by general_boy · · Score: 2, Informative
    It can only mean that they were going out of their way to fly over Algeria in their initial plans, but that makes even less sense.

    Sure it can. IAAP (I am a pilot) and especially for a relatively risky flight like this, it makes good sense to sometimes go a bit out of one's way so as to fly a route closer to available facilities or over better terrain.

    Assuming the report is accurate, you could say the decreased fuel burn is the up side of the change. The down side is the new route may carry some increased risk. Otherwise I don't know why they wouldn't have chosen that route to begin with.

    BTW, on the real-time display I notice the flight appears to have deviated north 20 miles or so around the Chicago airspace en route to Detroit.

  16. Re:What kind of jet? by spankey51 · · Score: 5, Informative

    The "Jet" or "gas turbine" is a turbofan engine similar to those fitted to small corporate aircraft like Learjets... They are not gas hogs.
    To be clearer: they are at low altitudes. At 45,000 feet (Global Flyer's cruising altitude,) the fuel efficiency is impecable.

    Fuel is stored in tanks in the wings, pontoons and forward fuselage... basically, the plane is a fishtank for a couple hours until he can get some fuel out of the wings and make it into a more "flyable" bomb.

    If internal compustion engines were more efficient than gas turbines, why weren't they implemented in the airline industry?

    Furthermore, I'd much rather have a turbine because they have so few moving parts... the simplest have one! Less to breakdown on you while you are pissing out the window into an infinite void of pacific waves 45,000 feet below...

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  17. Re:How far south do you have to be? by Panaflex · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read here

    The FAI's rules state that a record attempt like this must start and finish at the same airfield and cross all meridians of the globe. What's more the course must not be less than the very precise figure of 36,787.559 kilometres (around 23,000 miles) which is equal in length to the Tropic of Cancer.

    They're going to try to catch the most wind they can.. so there will be some deviation in the flight plans I'm sure as they follow the currents.

    -Pan

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  18. Re:Speed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    A big factor in the design was making maximum use of the jet stream. At slower speeds, the jet stream contributes a greater percentage of the energy required for the trip.

    Good question BTW.

  19. Re:Yeah, I thought the same... ;-) by Deadstick · · Score: 2, Informative
    [pedantry]Jet engines are internal combustion engines. The Rutan/Yeager flight was powered by two piston engines.

    The little thing lost off the wingtip was not a stabilizer, but a winglet. Its only function is to modify the airflow around the wingtip in a subtle way that decreases the drag slightly, and the impact of losing it was a decrease in gas mileage.[/pedantry]

    rj

  20. Re:Its good to see innovation by dmadole · · Score: 2, Informative

    There was already no need to stop on a flight from New York to Tokyo:

    You already didn't need to stop on a flight from New York to Tokyo:

    American Airlines launches New York - Tokyo flights

    Note that this is old news. It takes about twelve and a half hours.

  21. Re:Speed? by poopdeville · · Score: 2, Informative

    An F1 does not need to refule every two miles or so. F1's are some of the most efficient automobiles in the world right now. People think efficiency is about low gas milage, but it is really about wasting as little energy as possible. In a race, wasted energy corresponds to wasted time.

    Think of it this way: When you're on a curvy race track, like the Monaco GP, you're constantly accelerating, trying to go as fast as you can, until you come to a turn and have to brake hard. (You want really good brakes too, so that you can stop quickly) Then you have to accelerate again. The more efficiently you convert chemical energy into forward motion, the faster you reach top speed and coast a bit before slowing down as quickly as possible.

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  22. Re:First Solo flight by the+pickle · · Score: 2, Informative

    Length isn't the only reason. The Global Flyer's service ceiling is about 50,000 feet. Voyager's was 11,000 (it was unpressurised). Even if Global Flyer's speed weren't so much faster, being above all the weather has some pretty huge advantages on its own.

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  23. It's not a jet, it's a turbofan. by psydragn · · Score: 4, Informative

    The GlobalFlyer is actually powered by a turbofan, not a jet. These engines use a jet engine to spin a fan which produces the majority of the thrust. Air entering the cowling is divided between entering a the compressor intake and (the majority) bypasses the compressor and is blown out by the fan. A minority percentage of the thrust actually comes from the combustion gases. Turbofans are what move commercial airliners. In a true jet powered craft, all the thrust comes from combustion gases.

  24. Re:Yeah, I thought the same... ;-) by ptbarnett · · Score: 4, Informative
    At the time they landed it was reported that they had enough fuel to fly most of the way across the U.S.

    At the time that they landed, they thought they had enough fuel to fly most of the way across the US. I was watching the live coverage, and I remember it. It wasn't until after they drained/dipped the tanks that they realized they were running so short on fuel.

    A few gallons would probably have been all that they needed to do this. At that point the thing was mostly a glider.

    The Voyager flew most of the time only on the Continental IOL-200 rear engine. It's an unusual engine, so fuel flow specs aren't easily found, but the Continental O-200 from which it was derived consumes 5.5-6 gallons/hour (or 33-36 lbs/hour) at cruise. The IOL-200 is more efficient, but not enough to make a substantial difference in endurance with only 6 of fuel. That's usually over the range of 50% to 75% power, which is what aviation engines cruise at. Outside that range, they are not very efficient.

    You can get some idea of Voyager's average fuel flow from:

    http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/ruta nvoy.htm

    They lifted off with 7,011 lbs of fuel. They landed with 48 lbs (8 gallons). Having flown 24,986 miles in just a bit over 216 hours, that's 3.6 miles per lb of fuel, or 32 lb/hour. Using those average numbers, they weren't going to get much further on 48 lbs of fuel.

    Of course as you point out, they had burned off most of their gross weight. But the reduced weight would only reduce the induced drag. It wouldn't have reduced the parasitic drag. So, the increased fuel efficiency would not be as large as the difference in the gross weight. There's no way they could have kept the engine running for 3000+ miles on 8 gallons of gas.

    And I can tell you from personal experience (I have a glider rating on my pilot certificate), even the highest performance glider won't cover any significant portion of the distance across the continental US in the absence of power or lift in the form of thermals or mountain waves. And the Voyager wasn't designed to fly any distance without power.

  25. Re:i dont understand by Fritzed · · Score: 2, Informative

    If it were that easy, somebody would have done it a long time ago. The problem is that adding fuel tanks adds weight, a lot of weight. Most planes a designed to carry a certain weight of cargo, including people and packages, but just adding that much weight in fuel does not get you that much more.

    By using a smaller plane they can use much less fuel at a time, and they worked very hard to get the exact mixture of fuel-weight ratio. Simply adding another tank would throw off the whole equation. You have a lot more weight and while the amount of weight may go down over time as the fuel is used, you have to have a bigger engine simply to take off. Even when the extra fuel is depleted you still have the extra weight of the fuel tanks.

    As I said in my other post, Popular Science wrote a great article on it.

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