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Attempt to Apply Decency Standards to Cable/Satellite Television

bigtallmofo writes "Reuters is reporting that Senate Commerce Committee Chairman Ted Stevens (Senator from Alaska) is pushing for decency standards to apply to cable television and subscription satellite TV and radio. You may recall Senator Stevens for voting against a measure to criticize the FCC in 2003 for loosening its broadcast ownership restrictions. Maybe he thinks profanity provides an unfair advantage to his broadcast-company constituents?" We touched on this last year, in the attempt to apply decency standards to satellite radio.

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  1. Easy solution by fembots · · Score: 5, Funny

    Before running a movie, just place a statement:

    "Warning: WE HAVE NOT CHECKED IF THIS MOVIE IS DECENT"

  2. Discount? by nizo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do cable subscribers get to withhold a percentage of their monthly payments in compensation for the good bits of programs that have been cut/bleeped out? If they edit out 10% of the total months content, then it is only fair that their subscribers get a 10% discount right?

    1. Re:Discount? by severoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is ridiculous. Are they going to start regulating pay-TV channels next, like HBO? You can't say the f-word anymore in movies?

      One thing I've never understood about this censorship was articulated by George Carlin best. His sentiments are something along the lines of, why is it ok to use profanity as long as at least the key vowels are left out? For instance, "f*ck" is perfectly acceptable in most censored media, even though it still clearly expresses the idea, the concept behind the word, just as clearly as if that little asterisk were replaced by the "u" it "censors".

      S*ck my fat f*cking c*ck, *ssh*le. Do you really feel protected from my sentiment because I've applied the appropriate amount of "censorship"? (Or am I simply not allowed to express certain sentiments at all under this new bill? Isn't that unConstitutional?)

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    2. Re:Discount? by bluprint · · Score: 5, Funny
      Well, why then should anybody get to put duct tape over the content I enjoy, it's my content.

      Because:

      Those of us who have children are smarter than you.

      Those of us with children know what's best for everyone.

      Those of us with children can't and shouldn't actually be held responsible for raising said children.

      Its for the children. Anyone who disagrees with that is just an *ssh*l*

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  3. No constitutional basis, no public airwaves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wish that was enough to stop them.

    I was hoping we would all just move to cable and dump the government along the way.

  4. Do as we do in Europe: by Peden · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Transmit the sattelite TV from another country. Easy-peasy, no problem.

    1. Re:Do as we do in Europe: by t_allardyce · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except that in most of Europe you can show on normal TV what you can barely get away with on X-Rated cable in the US...

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    2. Re:Do as we do in Europe: by N3koFever · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You wouldn't be complaining if you'd seen American TV. Commercials out of every orifice (the legal limit on commercials for every hour of programming in the US is 20 minutes; in the UK it's 7 minutes), they're not allowed to swear (you can be fined for saying "god damn"!), and any nudity is a definite no-no.

      Comparing that to the UK, I seem to remember the BBC showing American Pie a few weeks back - it was broadcast unencrypted on network TV with no commercials, and no cuts at all, including the full webcam scene. And who can forget that they broadcast Jerry Springer The Opera on a Saturday night complete with all the profanities (3,168 "fucks" and 297 "cunts" according to Mediawatch), and Jesus admitting to being "a bit gay".

      Not bad for a country with no written guarantee of free speech. But then again the US consistently shows how little that means.

  5. Big difference by ducomputergeek · · Score: 5, Insightful
    On Satitalite radio/TV and Cable, you choose to pay for the service. Broadcast television is over air transmission anyone with TV may tune in at only the cost of the TV and electricity to run it.

    If you find cable indecent, you don't pay for the service. Arguement can be made if you don't like what's on broadcast TV, don't watch as well, but you don't pay directly for the programming on the public airwaves.

    If people don't want South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut airing in all its rated R glory at midnight on saturday's then they won't watch it.

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  6. This is dangerous ground... by edwardd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The entire concept of pat-television is that it is not available to everyone, and that people should be able to view what they wish in their own homes. If we take measures like this to the extreme, then the next argument will be to prevent people from buying porn.

    "The People Vs. Larry Flint" is a great case to show that there should be firm limits to what the government can or cannot say about decency standards. Larry Flint was able to show that his product, while distasteful to many, is covered under free speech and is not subject to this type of restriction. I don't see how pay-tv services should be treated differently. There are controls in place (parents) to restrict viewing. If these controls are insufficient, the problem is not with the material that's available to be viewed, the problem is with the parent.

  7. Don't push it Alaska by SlayerofGods · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your lucky you even get a vote.

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    1. Re:Don't push it Alaska by RealAlaskan · · Score: 5, Funny
      There's probably a larger independence party here in Alaska than in Puerto Rico. The Alaskan Independence party even elected a governor one year (1990).

      Ted and Lisa and Don are part of our fiendish plot to get the U.S. so sick of us that they kick us out, so that we don't have to go to the bother of a revolution. Sort of a ``be revolting so we don't have to revolt'' strategy.

  8. Re:Go all the way by MattBowen · · Score: 5, Funny

    What we need is a committee of "qualified" judges to sit and pure-approve everything we see hear and read. That way only chaste and edifying content gets to the citizenry, promoting a plurality of thoughts and critical thinking. That's how they handle the Internet in public schools, and thanks to that policy, the Internet has no smut.

  9. Ridiculous by hanshotfirst · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole difference between broadcast and cable is broadcast is in the public domain. Anyone with the proper equipment can receive the signal and hear/view the content. What comes over the air is regulated for "the public good". Cable and Satellite are closed non-public systems. You pay for the ability to receive and/or decode their signals. It is a private transaction, and should not be subject to regulation. This would be akin to saying p1*yb0y cannot publish material of their choice for their private subscribers. Now, I try to limit my intake of indecent material, and I certainly screen for my kids. But that is the whole point, to me. My responsibility, My rights to view what I have payed to receive in the form originally produced. I don't need the government babysitting me and my kids.

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  10. Nobody Understands the Federal System by Thunderstruck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA:

    "Cable is a much greater violator in the indecency area," the Alaska Republican told the National Association of Broadcasters, which represents most local television and radio affiliates. "I think we have the same power to deal with cable as over-the-air" broadcasters.

    Now let us consider the following:

    1. Violator of what, exactly, if there are not laws in place regulating cable right now?

    2. You THINK you have the same power to regulate cable as "over-the-air"?

    It makes sense that the federal government regulates airwaves as a "channel of commerce." This is fairly straightforward since the airwaves are generally considered publicly owned "space." Cable, however, runs over private property in a physically limited location. While there may be some power to regulate it, how can this be done without interfereing with private contract and first amendment rights?

    3. [begin rant] Does it bother anyone else that federal officers will attempt to pass a law just because they "feel" they have the power, and "feel" something is needed? If there must be standards, why not let the bloody states set them and stop trying to distend the limits of federal authority beyond all recognizable bounds? [end rant]

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  11. Re: Go all the way by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny


    > After all, won't somebody think of the children?

    I think Michael Jackson has that covered.

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  12. With apologies to Johnny Horton by Tackhead · · Score: 5, Funny
    Bringin' pork, (Pork for Alaska)
    Bringin' pork, (Pork for Alaska)
    Pork! for Alaska,
    They bring pork, the rush is on!
    Pork! for Alaska,
    They bring pork, the rush is on!

    Big Ted left Alaska in the year '72,
    On the Senate Rules Committee, was a real workhorse too,
    With George and Michael Powell, and the FCC gang too.
    They crossed the Yukon River and found the bonanza gold
    Below that white-domed fountain, way the hell southeast of Nome.

    Ted crossed the majestic mountains to the valleys far below.
    He talked to his team of lobbyists as he mushed on through the snow.
    With the northern lights a-running wild in the land of the midnight sun,
    Yes, Teddy Stevens, a mighty man, in the year 2001.

    Where the river is winding,
    Pig nuggets they're finding!
    Pork for Alaska!
    They bring pork, the rush is on.

    George turned to Ted with his pork in his hand,
    Said: "Ted you're a-lookin' at a lonely, lonely man.
    "I'd trade all the pork that's buried in this land,
    "For one small slab of pork to[no, no NO, we are NOT goin' to find out what happened to Ginny in this filk as long as I have any say at the FCC]

    To the tune of North to Alaska, Johnny Horton

  13. Solution by Potatomasher · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If cable/satellite providers would only sell channels individually, there would be no need for "decency standards". If you are not happy with the contents of this channel, simply don't buy it. Dont' want your kids looking at porn on your tv ? Simply don't buy channels that air such material.

    Now lets move on to next issue.

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  14. Re:I thought they already had this... by TheAntiCrust · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah, kids watch cable too, but kids are supposed to have these things called 'parents' too. It is the parents responsibility to decide what thier children should and shouldnt be able to see and it is thier responsibility to carry that out, our taxes should not be spent on programs and enforcement of laws that abridge the flow of information. Seriously, paying to NOT get information? Thats entirely backwards.

  15. Call the Senator and tell him how you feel. by UEinSD · · Score: 5, Informative

    Do something about it. If every Slashdot member calls the Senator, believe me, they will get the message.

    His webpage is here: http://stevens.senate.gov/ and his phone number is (202) 224-3004.

    Do it now. Kill this crap in the bud. You only earn the right to rant and rave if you pick up the phone, send an email, or write a letter. If not, then keep quiet (no more whining to Slashdot), since that's what they want you to do.

  16. Re:Land of the Free by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder why some people still pretend to understand the laws of the United States when they can't even distinguish between a proposed bill in Congress and an actual law...

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  17. Parenting by KevMar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well said.

    What ever happened to that V-Chip that was supposed to protect the children? DirectTV had the ability to lock out content and disable channels a long time ago. I remember showing my parents how to turn it off when they screwed it up.

    Technology and government are not substitutes for parenting

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  18. Better Solution by nacturation · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Create a subscription channel called SCAF: the Shit, Cunt, Asshole, Fuck channel. Broadcast nothing but those four words over and over again. Subscribers can pay something like 25 cents a month to get it -- the money counts as a contribution towards freedom of speech. Then, if something like this is ever passed, it will result in the channel being 100% censored since there's nothing decent left to transmit. It'd certainly make for an interesting court case to challenge the constitutionality (oh, how I love made-up words) of these types of regulations.

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  19. Re:Go all the way by computational+super · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There was an interesting case (don't have any links, so you'll have to take my word for it) about something similar that happened here in Dallas a few years back. There are some "photo-artists" (Jock Sturges, Robert Mapplethorpe and Sally Mann, to name a few) whose art includes pictures from European nudist beaches, replete with underage subjects. You can legally buy collections of their photos at Barnes & Noble (and, presumedly, other booksellers)... evidently, some right-wing talk-show host got his panties in a knot over this, and encouraged his listeners to go into the bookstores, find those books, and rip them up. A lot of them did, and IIRC, were never prosecuted for anything (neither was B&N for selling what this right-wing talk show host considered CP).

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  20. Re:Easy solution - some standards by khelms · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Force has a strong influence on the weak minded