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Fuel Loss May Cut Short GlobalFlyer's Journey

chris mazuc writes "Apparently the Virgin Atlantic GlobalFlyer has lost 2,600 lbs of fuel and might be forced to abort the attempt." According to the article, "Jon Karkow from Scaled Composites was unable to say whether it was due to leakage or evaporation. "We really don't know what it is... It's more than likely a system issue, such as a fuel venting line. It's been very puzzling for us, and we saw it quite early on.".

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  1. No pre-flight test? by debianlinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They saw this early on. This indicates a problem that could have been found with a couple short test flights. Surely they had test flights, I mean, I wouldn't climb aboard a flying gas tank unless the thing had undergone some degree of flight testing prior to being loaded down for the long haul.

  2. Bit of a difference... by lxt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...there's a difference between the Global Flyer and the Galactic, in that the Global Flyer is a non commercial interest. The galactic carries paying passengers - I doubt the Global Flyer will ever do such a thing, given its capacity.

    Further more, the global flyer has been designed for a speed record attempt, and so must be at the bleeding edge to beat what's gone before. Sure, the Galactic would also be a record breaking craft, but it isn't going to be chasing speed records. The Global Flyer has to be the fastest machine, and therefore utilise more unproven technology than, say, the Galactic.

    1. Re:Bit of a difference... by worst_name_ever · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The Global Flyer has to be the fastest machine

      No, it just has to be faster than the last aircraft to circle the globe nonstop and unrefuelled with only a single pilot!

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    2. Re:Bit of a difference... by timster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's more like the early days of aviation than Soviet Union stuff. I think the mindset you are using, the "oh no what if somebody DIES?" kind of thinking, is potentially crippling to development. With experimental aircraft like this, the test pilots are aware of the risks, and it's up to the individuals to weigh those risks. Not everything people do ought to be completely safe. Historically some people have been willing to take risks to learn the limits of our technology and what can be reasonably accomplished. The Wright Flyer wasn't flight-tested before Kitty Hawk, you know!

      I'm not saying whether this risk, or the SS1 risk, are worth what is perhaps a marginal increase in human knowledge. All I'm saying is that I don't think this flight poses much of a danger to the public, and the risk to a test pilot is up to the pilot. When people start selling tickets, I'll expect much more in safety.

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    3. Re:Bit of a difference... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Amen!

      What ever happened to "nothing ventured, noting gained?", "once more into the breach", and all that? Have we totally lost our sense of adventure and that some things are worth CHOOSING to risk one's life for? If I could be carry enough supplies for a month of exploration on Mars and the opportunity of a quick death, I'd go on a 1 way trip.

      Since when does public opinion get to decide what an intrepid explorer gets to volunteer for?

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    4. Re:Bit of a difference... by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OK, call me crazy here, but who do you suppose knows more about aircraft design and testing: Burt Rutan, or J. Random Slashdot Reader?

      I think the man knows what he's doing.

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  3. Re:Rigorous Testing? by gr8_phk · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I suspect they never tested at full capacity because it might not be real safe to land with that much fuel. At 85 percent fuel by weight it'd be dangerous to land, and the handling probably isn't really great fully loaded. The only way to test with full load then would be to fly for 3 days. What's wrong with dumping the excess fuel before landing? I dunno. The web site also has a story about some problems weighing it before takeoff - not that they connect the two.

    Has he left Japan yet?

    I was pleased to read that Williams International (who made the engine) is right here in Michigan, not too far for me to work - unfortunately they had no postings for software people :-(

  4. Re:It's a Trick! by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why? It wasn't tax payer money. If some rich guy wants to blow his wad on something stupid like this, don't kick his ass, laugh when it fails.

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  5. Re:I already saw it on CNN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Defective fuel gauges are a problem in flying. Why didn't he look at his receipt from the gas company after he filled up?

  6. your missing the point by L1nux_L0ser83 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    everyone is missing the point.. its not about some millionaire breaking a record...well maybe for the millionaire it is... but doing things like this opens the doors for innovation in the feild. if this works, this will give a massive ammount of data to the aviation industry to help with fuel economy on its jets. ( and lets face it, the aviation needs all the help it can get nowadays)

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    1. Re:your missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Fuel economy is mostly an engine and weight issue, and it's primarly a concern for airlines filled with huge, load-carrying multi-engine jets that have to be as cost-efficient as possible to buy and operate.

      This is a stunt plane designed for a single purpose. The data they get will be very helpful for people who want to build another single-engine aircraft capable of carrying a single passenger around the world, but other than that, it's no research bonanza .

    2. Re:your missing the point by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      so.. what part of the turbofan engine and the planes design is new, thereby giving new data to work with, and why does it matter if it can get around the world for the data to be worthwhile, really?

      it doesn't really open doors, it's using already opened doors and combining them to break a record.

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  7. Re:Rigorous Testing? by Rolan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's wrong with dumping the excess fuel before landing? I dunno.

    Looked at jet fuel prices lately? I wouldn't want to dump a gallon of the stuff, much less a full load.

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  8. Re:The Pilot's Creed by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    well.. scaled composites does sometimes two safe landings per one takeoff ;)

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  9. Re:Rigorous Testing? by idontgno · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I think they could have engineered detachable fuel tanks

    Detachable fuel tanks detach...while they're still full, and you need the fuel.

    Adding complex subsystems to an already complex system increases complexity and potential failure points.

    A better answer is to ground test fuel systems at all limits, and then accept the risks once airborne.

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  10. Re:Rigorous Testing? by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not as if burning it is any cheaper!

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  11. Re:I'd hate to... by zeephyz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, planes are pretty well protected from most lighting as you can see here: http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae568 .cfm.

    It's actually reverse lightning that causes problems, though I can't find a link talking about that right now. Basically, the reverse, or positive, lightning is much more powerful (it feeds sprites and jets in the upper atmosphere) and thus can overcome conventional protection of planes.

  12. Re:Rigorous Testing? by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

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