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Build Your Own TV Without Broadcast Flags

doom writes "An account of an event sponsored by the EFF, a "roll your own television" build-in. The San Francisco Bay Guardian has coverage in an article entitled Build Your TV!". From the article: "According to the FCC, the flag is going to ease the nation's transition from today's analog televisions to tomorrow's high-definition televisions. What exactly does it mean for a government agency to "ease" the transition from one kind of TV signal to another? In this case, it seems to mean making the entertainment industry feel very warm and fuzzy inside." The EFF's efforts against the flag have been covered before on Slashdot.

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  1. Wha? by wang33 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I thought the courts slowed/stopped the fcc from mandating anything like this? References in reverse chronological order

    Like here /. Story One: Broadcast Flag in Trouble
    Or Here /. Story 2: Court Says FCC Out-of-Bounds With Digital TV
    So why are we worried?
    Wang33

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  2. Re:Courts by Anita+Coney · · Score: 2, Informative

    I agree it will likely be a flop. People are just too used to recording shows on TV. Either there will be quiet ways around the problem (like in your regionless DVD player example) or a major backlash which will get Congress to change the FCC's direction.

    But, before that happens, the Court opinion is meaningless. All the Court said was that the FCC might not have authority from Congress. Thus, all Congress has to do is to give its authority. Even with Congress, that could take less than a month.

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  3. Re:Kit TVs by Arbin · · Score: 4, Informative

    Won't be possible. There is a provision in the broadcast flag legislation that states the devices be rugged and difficult to modify. A simple little chip removal ain't going to happen.

  4. Re:Kit TVs by aug24 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nope: if you rta, you'll see that there is also a prohibition on models which are easily circumvented by the user. So no kit tvs.

    J.

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  5. Re:We've seen this before... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It is exactly like the copy protection found on all audio CDs. Audio CDs include two flags for copy protection. The first marks the disk as copyright, and the second marks it as original. A copier that fully complies with the specification will allow copies to be made from CDs with both flags set. The copy will then have the copyright flag set, but not the original flag. Copies of the copy are then not permitted. CDs without the copyright flag set may be copied, whether or not the original flag is set (although the original flag should be unset in the copy). Technically, copying music from a CD without maintaining this flag is in violation of the DMCA...

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  6. um, what? by JeanBaptiste · · Score: 2, Informative

    Where exactly in the constitution does it give you the right to record shows?

    p.s. The constitution does not grant rights to individuals. Instead it limits the rights of the government.

    1. Re:um, what? by Anita+Coney · · Score: 3, Informative

      Why do people, who have NO experties in an area, feel the need to talk about an area.

      In the United States we have a United States Supreme Court. That Court interprets the Constitution and statutes. It has interpreted Article. I Section. 8. Clause 8 to have limits on monoplies associated with IP. The limits are called "fair use."

      These rights were enacted by Congress in TITLE 17, CHAPTER 1, 107 of the US code.

      Based on the Courts' interpretation of both the Constitution and the code, they held in the case of Universal v Sony that citizens in the US have a fair use right to record shows.

      Does that answer your question?

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    2. Re:um, what? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fair use is a defense, not a right.

      The right you're looking for is the right of free speech; it's the same right that the creators of the show rely upon to record it the first time, even before broadcast.

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    3. Re:um, what? by sconeu · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, it *is* a Constitutional issue. See The Ninth and The Tenth Amendments.

      Simply put, the Ninth says, "Even if we didn't mention them, you still have all your rights". The Tenth says, "If we didn't talk about it here, the Feds have no power to do it."

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  7. Re:Bush won't let this happen by edremy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Bush is a great president and he will not let this broadcast flag happen under his watch. I know liberal /. probably doesn't get this, but the Republicans are all about SMALLER gov't, people.

    You've got to be joking. (At least, I hope you're being sarcastic) Check the second chart down. Bush has increased nondefense discretionary spending faster than Clinton by a large margin, and that's *with* a Republican dominated congress. Of course, that's not even including the *huge* growth in defense and homeland security related spending, most of it stuffed into little-reviewed supplemental appropriation bills. ("Yeah, we need another $90 billion for Iraq. Don't count it against the deficit figures, please.") Just look at the absurd Medicare prescription drug coverage bill- any true conservative would have run from this screaming.

    The Republicans today are all about huge, intrusive government. They want to make sure you're a good little consumer, worship the proper god and avoid the gay. Oh yeah, and don't worry about running up the deficit to 3rd world levels- we'll never have to pay that back...

    Just sign me "Disgusted ex-Republican".

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  8. VDR: Mature code and hardware to build on by D4C5CE · · Score: 2, Informative
    The televisions created at the Build-In are also computers, and they contain a TiVo-like device called a personal video recorder (PVR) - you can use them to pause a show, record it, sample it, and even save a copy to DVD. Using the TV she builds today, Brydon won't have any trouble loaning her friend a copy of Buffy.
    Under the name of VDR, there is one GPLed code base for a range of hardware setups, with strong backing by a leading IT publisher and development centered in Europe (i.e. out of the reach of FCC policies, and yet still threatened by software patents as well) that is proven to work very well and has just celebrated its 5th anniversary - worth having a look.
  9. Re:Just don't buy ATI...One card for US+CAN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    From ATI:
    Regarding Broadcast Flag:

    There will only be one version of the card produced and after the date of the
    Broadcast Flag institution the cards manufactured after this date will support the feature.
    I do not know if Canadian broadcasts will have a similar limitation.

    Regards,

    Rick Carman
    Customer Care
    ATI Technologies, Inc.
    http://www.ati.com

  10. Re:Courts by squiggleslash · · Score: 2, Informative
    The regionless DVD player is around because of two factors - the fact that the only thing forcing DVD players to have region locking in the first place were licenses, and the fact that in many juristictions, region locking is a legal gray area, probably violating competition laws.

    The DMCA gives content producers the right to attach "access control mechanisms" to their content and prevent unauthorized parties from producing equipment to access that content. Patent law also prevents manufacturers from implementing certain technologies without a license. Region locking works in that framework indirectly: an ACM, called CSS, is attached to the majority of DVDs. A group called the DVD-CCA licenses CSS ACMs on behalf of content producers who use it. They also license a package of rights to use patented technologies incorporated into DVD players. In order to obtain a license from the DVD-CCA, you have to agree to a contract that includes a provision that you must implement region encoding. If you don't agree to that license, your ability to implement DVD readers without risking a patent lawsuit becomes difficult, and, more importantly, you are breaking US law, criminally, if you produce a DVD player that can play DVDs "protected" with CSS.

    Regionless DVD players are produced by people who have a license to produce DVD players that support CSS. They essentially break their contracts, which makes the entire matter civil. Once the DVD-CCA finds out, they can sue for breach and revoke the license of the offending company, but any DVD players produced before the license is revoked are, essentially, legal.

    What does this mean in this context? Well, the situation is entirely different.

    Instead of DVD manufacturers obtaining licenses under contracts that they then breach, they're bound by the FCC's rulemaking from day 1. This means that if they breach the FCC's rules, they're in trouble, in a sense, immediately. They can't just produce TVs that violate the law until the FCC wakes them up and revokes a license, as they would with DVD players and the DVD-CCA, the moment the FCC finds out they're producing "illegal" TVs, they can be fined for each one.

    So, if the High Court upholds the right of the FCC to enforce a broadcast flag, don't hold out hope that there'll be little hidden hacks sneaked in by TV manufacturers to disable it. It will not happen. TV manufacturers will, by and large, have to obey this rule.

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  11. Re:Bullshit. by shotfeel · · Score: 2, Informative

    IIRC, it actually says it will become illegal to manufacture hardware without "flag support" after that date. Anything built, even if its not sold, before that date is OK.

  12. Re:Bush won't let this happen by cot · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Every administration, of whatever party, has overseen the growth of the government in one form or another. And virtually every one has overseen unprecedented growth, in that no previous administration had grown it that much."

    So, you're saying that government is a cancer?

    I'll buy that.

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  13. I was actually there by elfuq · · Score: 2, Informative

    As a photographer for the Bay Guardian. (You can only see my lovely portrait of Helen Seltzer if you pick up the dead tree edition of the paper.)

    There were three women there. They were taking apart computers. I saw it and (even) photographed it.