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Virgin Radio Launches 3G Radio Service

An anonymous reader writes "Virgin Radio, one of UK's top radio stations, has launched the first 3G radio service for free (as in beer). This is great news for those with a Symbian equipped phone and an unlimited data plan. Various articles suggest that mobile radio could be a major threat to satellite radio. Russell Beattie and friends have had an initial look and commented on the program."

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  1. It's go Time Satellites by KingOfTheNerds · · Score: 5, Informative

    As stated in the Wall Street Journal, Virgin actually attempted to acquire Sirus radio early in 2004, however they could not settle on an amount and the deal fell through. This must be Virgins plan to twart satellite radio, and maintain their hold on the communications market. XM and Sirus should merge to stay competitive in the market and drop their prices. Only time will tell where they go with this one.

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    1. Re:It's go Time Satellites by KingOfTheNerds · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They would be competeing with the new phone radio market, which I think some of us agree would be huge. Of course if it wasn't huge they would raise their prices or probably be allowed to merge.

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  2. Clarified ambiguity by Zone-MR · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm glad the station was launched "for free (as in beer)", as opposed to, erm, "for free (as in speech)".

    1. Re:Clarified ambiguity by Dwonis · · Score: 2, Informative
      What's funny is that "free (as in beer)" is confusing in itself. Beer isn't free...

      The phrase started as "free (as in free beer)", but naturally the computer industry added its usual confusing baggage to it.

      PCMCIA.

  3. Virgin will likey Lisense content by brownblaket · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Forbes recently had an article about how Verizon was planning a similar service. I find this really interesting because I heard a couple of reports on C-NBC today talking about how Verizon has been in private talks with Virgin about a technology license. The pundits seem to believe that verizon is trying to get a license from Virgin to carry their content on the verizon network.

    I think that this would actually be a really smart strategy for Virgin to employ. Think about it, Virgin not only gets the advertising for it first and everyone begins to associate it with them but then once it becomes famous they get a piece of everyone elses action.

    The world is moving towards total technolgy convergence where people will have a radio/mp3 player/phone (they already do actually). This will become another feature that every phone will have to have in a couple of years and Virgin will not hold a monopoly for very long. By letting people buy into their content they make sure that they get money from everyone.

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    1. Re:Virgin will likey Lisense content by ckemp.org · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We need to see smaller high performance batteries and cheap data plans before such polydevices can become mainstream. Sure, you can listen to the radio and take some pictures with that phone of yours, but you'll be murdering your total call time before recharge.

  4. Wait... by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you have an unlimited data plan, what's stopping you from listening to internet radio on your cellphone?

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    1. Re:Wait... by snrrrub · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, for one, doing 128 kbps on a GPRS network isn't exactly possible. So your radio stations have to support custom mobile streams. Then there's the problem of such streams. On a desktop, you can just browse around until you find something you like. On a cell phone, browsing is quite a pain. So you'd better have a known link. Of course, you also need a player for the stream. In this case, they've pretty much managed to put it all together in an easy-to-use (albeit restricted to VR) form. A lot of people (e.g. Nokia) go to great lengths to make things usable. When you're dealing with people who select "yes" when asked 3 times to install a virus, you'd better make it really really simple.

      -Snrrrub

  5. Bah by Enjoi · · Score: 3, Funny

    Phones are doing too much these days, you're not cool unless you've got all the addons now.
    Want to hear the radio? Buy a radio.
    Want to take pictures? Buy a camera.
    Want to go on the net? Buy a computer.

    Want to call someone? Oh, just wait while you navigate through the menu of silly addons.

  6. WoW! by HarryZink · · Score: 2, Informative


    This is a pretty nifty new angle, and something satellite radio most likely didn't consider - still, all things considered, mobile phones aren't really Hi-Fi devices (though if this catches on, the next generation *might* be -- but can you still receive phone calls while listening to the 'radio'?

    Still, generally Richard Branson does come up with some neat ways to keep his name on the map, so it'd be interesting how this does, and how many others will follow suit.

  7. Unfortunately.... by reality-bytes · · Score: 4, Interesting



    Unfortunately, at least in the UK, unlimited (3G) data plans seem rather hard to come by with the majority of services having sub 100MB caps or a pay-per-megabyte price structure.

    Slightly off-topic but related, Virgin is unusual as a 'major station' in the UK in that it offers its streams in Ogg/Vorbis format. (The BBC did previously but has stopped for an undetermined ammount of time).

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    1. Re:Unfortunately.... by Octagon+Most · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Vodaphone just charged me £500 because I went 50MB over my quota"

      I wish there was a +1 Damn! mod.

    2. Re:Unfortunately.... by Cpyder · · Score: 2, Informative
      I think its weird that virgin mobile doesn't yet have a 3G service!

      Don't let their names fool you. Virgin radio is no longer part of the "Virgin Empire", it's a company of SMG Radio.
      It used to be a part of Bransons' group, but he sold it. SMG just licenses the use of the name.

      see the Virgin Radio website for details on this

      Virgin Mobile does not operate their own network either, it's a virtual mobile network operator, which basically means they provide their own branded version of the T-Mobile network. Strange thing is that T-Mobile does offer 3G services, but apparently Virgin Mobile doesn't.

  8. Free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Symbian phones aren't exactly inexpensive. Unlimited data plans (at least in the U.S.) cost an arm and a leg. I wouldn't call this free.

    1. Re:Free? by eggz128 · · Score: 4, Informative

      In the UK you can get Symbian based phones for free on contract relatively cheaply. For example my Noia 6670 was free on my contract (~£25 per month, 250 Min cross network talk time free). I imagine 7650s (my last Symbian phone, £50 on a similar plan 2 years ago) are basically freebies on the cheapest plans now.

      As for unlimited data plans, O2 dont seem to charge for the use of the GPRS connection either. At least I've never been charged for it during 2 years woth of use.

    2. Re:Free? by eggz128 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It depends. In my case I wanted the multi function phone. I can use it with my laptop to connect to the internet just about anywhere. WiFi hot spots arn't exactly plentyful in the UK, even less so in the middle of Wales. I also make pretty heavy use of the calandering (and alarm), and since I got this 6670 I've used the (suprisingly good) Netfront web browser to read slashdot and other web sites while I have my lunch at the local cafe. I don't actually use many of my 'free' talk time.

      On the other hand, a friend of mine did manage to rack up an £80 mobile phone bill recently after using all her talk time. If she'd been on a slightly more 'expensive' plan she would have shaved quite a sum off that bill. If she'd used a pay-as-you go service plan, I dread to think what the cost would ave been.

  9. Re:Isn't radio a step back though by Neophytus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most new mid to high range phones sold in the UK also come with the ability to recieve FM radio stations. Radio is still going strong here - Clearchannel hasn't taken over.

  10. World turned upside down by flopsy+mopsalon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I find it ironic that free music is now being supplied to anyone with a measly $216/month to pay for unlimited data transfer to their mobile phone, while 12 year old kids who download their free music are being sued by the minions of the RIAA.

    Music should bring people together instead it is driving a wedge between the haves and have-nots. I am shocked and appalled.

  11. Broadcasting to by Jozer99 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Broadcasting to all 14 Symbian Smartphone owners with unlimited data plans currently in 3G coverage areas...

  12. Not the first 3G radio service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I agree it's the first software targeting a widely available sartphone platform (Symbian) but it's not the first 3G Radio Service available ( read more ).

    For example, Windows Media on Windows Mobile devices (Pocket PC Phone Edition and Smartphone) have been available for years now and will play any radio stream in the WMA format. And what's more, no need to download and install additional software.

    No, don't come with "open" platform stuff, because the Virgin Radio is tied to their network, and the company did not disclose what streaming technology is being used.

    It's not the first 3G service also because the Harrier Pocket PC Phone Edition (a.k.a. Verizon XV6600 in the USA) is a CDMA EV-DO device, connecting at speeds of 500Kbps average - higher than the WCDMA/UMTS average speeds, and available for some time now.

  13. "Unlimited" usually isn't by glomph · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Read the F*cking Fine Print. Unlimited Data service has a lot of exceptions. I'll bet you the streaming radio service becomes an exception if anybody actually uses it. I signed up for unlimited data, then saw that it was unlimited only with one phone, and NOT when you used the phone as a modem for your bluetooth-connected laptop, and not when you wore brown shoes, or drove a Swedish-made automobile. All of that vented, Virgin Radio is cool, they have always been a leader in internet streaming, since the beginning (1995, when I helped get them started)

  14. Any low bandwidth realaudio can be streamed by petree · · Score: 2, Informative

    This sounds like a lot of hype for something that's out there for symbian phone owners already. With an unlimited data plan in hand, download RealOne for Symbian, find your favorite station that streams using RealAudio (BBC has more than a dozen plus world service in 43 languages) and go.

    My favorite is listening to This American Life...I'll be honest, my Nokia 3650 only supports 16khz/8bit/mono, but it's certainly listenable...if only I had an adapter between the the headset port and a 1/8" jack, then I could use it with my car stereo.