Microsoft Developers Respond To .NET Criticism

bonch writes "Richard Grimes of Dr. Dobbs Journal wrote an article entitled Mr. Grimes' Farewell, in which he discusses what he feels are inherent flaws in .NET, and how he is abandoning his .NET column. Grimes argues that .NET is merely thin wrappers to Win32 calls (Avalon uses message functions that date back to 16-bit Windows), that Microsoft has abandoned confidence in both .NET and sales of Longhorn, and that the framework itself is too large and poorly implemented, most of it ported from past APIs like WFC and VB. Dan Fernandez, Microsoft's Visual C# Project Manager, has responded in his blog. Richard Grimes appears in the comments to defend his criticism, referencing first-hand disassembly of .NET APIs using ildasm. Scott Swigart has also responded to the criticism of Visual Basic .NET. Apparently, Mr. Grimes struck some nerves."

Comments

Put it this way... how would you feel?

[syntap]

How would you feel if someone criticized stuff YOU made in a public forum? This blogging stuff has gone TOO FAR and doesn't respect peoples' feelings.

Re:Put it this way... how would you feel?

[Anonymous Coward]

Your post sucks.

It'll be better

[zecg]

I hear that now they have this spyware that downloads and installs .Net framework on users' PCs. Now we need a worm that does the same and the thing will soon be widely deployed!

So what else is left to sell?

[Nuclear Elephant]

Microsoft has abandoned confidence in both .NET and sales of Longhorn

Great! Does this mean they'll be shipping their own Linux+OpenOffice Distro?

Design Flow

[should_be_linear]

First platform independent framework/runtime, implemented for only one OS.

What about .MAC?

[spacedx]

I am a .Mac developer and I can assure you that iDisk is more than a thin wrapper for WebDAV calls! Homepage is the best web development platform I've ever had the pleasure of using.

Re:Start again?

[monkey_jam]

Microsoft sits on a treasure chest, namely 10 years of bugfixed, known-to-be-working code

Yeah, now if only they'd release it....

Re:Start again?

[skraps]

You should check out my new language, "Braindead". Every program is exactly one character long! Of course, some people complain that they have trouble finding which of the +Inf characters to use, but that's a different problem.

OT: Scott Swigart

[dackroyd]

Apparently, you also forget the pain of pre-.NET development. I haven't forgotten the insane amount of work it was to build a Web site with tables that let you sort and page data. I haven't forgotten how much work it was to write client-side and server side code to validate form fields.

Wtf? Apparently he has forgoten to use PHP for web development.

Re:actually...

[khallow]

And in proper slashdot tradition, I demonstrate both sayings are wrong.

Ick

[the_2nd_coming]

I feel dirty reading so many MS Developer comments... bleh

Re:Hello, Microsoft tech support?

[Anonymous Coward]

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