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Too Darned Big to Test?
gManZboy writes "In part 2 of its special report on Quality Assurance (part 1) Queue magazine is running an article from Keith Stobie, a test architect in Microsoft's XML Web Services group, about the challenges one faces in trying to test against large codebases."
So this will be Microsoft's latest excuse, then? ;)
Shouldn't that be too darned bloated to test? It shouldn't be hard to test the individual subcomponents for functionality and at boundary conditions. Of course, you can't fully test something as complex as the system in the article. No reasonable sized program can ever be fully debugged -- the possibilities are too many to explore. However, it is possible to fully verify the smallest components, and build large components from them and fully verify those as well. Obviously, the complexity increases greatly with each new layer, but when one is working with fully verified components, any errors that occur must be in the local logic. Granted, this is much more labour intensive, but as long as each component follows precise specifications, it's more than feasible. I'm amazed that many prominent software projects still use largely monolithic testing...
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For those who didn't RTFA, it is basically saying that exaustive (?sp) testing can't be done on a large codebase, and random testing is all you can use, to which most coders will say bull.
If a piece of code is too big to test exaustivly, it's time to refactor it into bits that can be.
After you've tested each part to make sure it works, you test a super set of parts, thus testing the interactions between the smaller parts, lather rinse repeat until you've tested th whole application.
Correct use of unit testing will always outstrip random testing.
This is just an excuse for badly designed code bases.
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The article just says what everyone knew ..
* code coverage != proper testing
* clever inputs are needed to test
* few programmers test concurrency
Ending with - "ECONOMY IN TESTING" (ever heard about "Good Enough Isn't")
Essentially apologetic about the lack of testing. Test driven development is not a philosophy, it's a way of doing. In a perfect company environment, you'll never be blamed for breaking someone's code - but in most places the idea is "he made me look bad". Peer reviews never work out properly. This is why FOSS is turning out more secure and clean code.
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It is possible to build immense and complex code bases that are incredibly well tested and robust. Look at any Linux distribution and this is what you have.
The key is that the code base is structured so that it can evolve over time as many independent layers and threads, each using an appropriate technology and competing in terms of quality and functionality.
The problem is not the overall size of the code base, it's the attempt to exert centralised control over it.
To take a parallel from another domain: we can see very large economies working pretty well. The economies that fail are invariably the ones which attempt to exert centralised planning and control.
The solution is to break the code base into independent, competing projects that have some common goal, guidelines, and possibly economic rationale, but for the rest are free to develop as they need to.
Not only does this make for better code, it is also cheaper.
But it's less profitable... and thus we come to the dilema of the 2000s: attempt to make large systems on the classical model (which tends towards failure) or accept that distributed cooperate development is the only scalable option (and then lose control over the profits).
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"Yo' codebase's so fat, when it get in a lift it has to go down!"
"Yo' codebase is so bloated, it's got its own dialling code!"
"Yo' codebase's so big, NASA includes it in orbital calculations!"
Etc. etc., ad nauseam et infinitum...
Software rewrites may be considered harmful, but at which point do you declare that enough is enough and start again, breaking it down into smaller, easily tested modules? Big, old projects (like, say, OpenOffice.org) can get so appallingly baroque that there must be vital areas of code which haven't been modified (or, more importantly, understood) in years - how do you test those?
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The developers grew to hate me so much for finding bugs in their code and the RDBMS vendor's code that I was moved to another job (YAY!).
I don't know what kind of developers you were dealing with there, but I am a developer myself and I actually like and respect QA or test engineer who come up with creative and "smart" bugs, they keep it interesting, they make my job easier and they make for a more successful product, so what's there to hate about them?
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I do a lot of programming with visual output. It is impossible to have a computer check that the font got outlined correctly in the PDF, say.
When you combine this with user input and then rare-case branching logic, you can end up with a nightmare of unfollowed paths. Unfollowed, to some extent, means untested.
Just one extra branch can be disasterous because of factorials involved depending where it is placed in the branch pipeline. One minute, everything working, next minute some new code and
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Yes. It's a wonder why we even have packages like bugzilla anyhow. Nobody tests and reports bugs in opensource software. Ever. Nobody fixes them, either. Ever.
The monkeys are busy writing it. It's like infinite monkeys trying to write shakespeare, except when they finally write code that compiles it has many many unused lines, contibuting to bloat.
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Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
My own research group works on methods to reduce this burden in a number of ways. One, my personal work, is on "semi-random" testing (we call it Adaptive Random Testing) which, we claim, detects more errors with fewer tests and reduces the problem that way. Another is "metamorphic testing" which tackles the oracle problem more directly by a slightly more sophisticated form of sanity checking assertions. You test the program with two (or more) related inputs, and check whether the outputs have the relationship you'd expect based on the inputs.
Unfortunately, the boss has an, um, slightly behind-the-times attitude to putting papers on the web; but if you search the DBLP bibliography server for T.Y. Chen you can get references for most of them.
However, I'd be the last to claim that we have a complete solution to the oracle problem; there will of course never be one. But it is a problem that will continue to make automated testing a challenge.
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Back in the old days, a common way to write a program was to make code that can be used in many different places from within the program. Routines that are similar would be considered a bad thing, so you make routines that are designed to handle the differet situations that need similar code.
The problem with Microsoft is that they have forgotten or never learned how to design a program before their people have started to write anything. As a result, we see 384k patches from Microsoft that take several minutes to install on some systems.
Another problem is that there is a LOT of duplicate code that is in use even within common libraries.
The people who suggest that there are too many features are almost correct, but the problem isn't with the number of features, it's the way those features are added to programs.
Also, there is only so far you can take a given design while you add features before things start to break due to design. If you start with a good DESIGN, then implement that design in code, it becomes a LOT easier to debug.
Microsoft needs to come up with a NEW OS that isn't an extension of Windows NT or Windows 3.0(95/98/ME are still based on that old code in many ways). Windows NT was the right idea back when it was first developed. Toss the old design, start from scratch, and you end up with a better product. The only problem that Windows NT really had was that compatability wasn't written into the core design of the OS, it was a layer added on top, which means you need a "translator" to handle that. If it's in the design, then you figure out how to do the emulation of the old system in a way that is compatable with the "new" way of doing things. Today, it's not as difficult as it used to be back in those early days of Windows NT. We have enough processing power to make virtual machines that can handle just about anything if they are coded properly. The only problem is that the emulation of the old DOS environment or Windows environment hasn't been implemented by Microsoft.
But I've gone off topic a bit. The key to easily debugged code is to design in a way to make things properly modular. Almost all features within Windows should be TIGHT code. To open a file probably has 200 different versions of that code within the Windows XP code base scattered through all the programs that come with Windows XP or 2003. Think about that, and wonder why it's hard to debug.