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RIAA Lawsuits from a John Doe's Perspective

An anonymous reader writes "Nick Mamatas was sued by and subsequently settled with the RIAA for file sharing. He wrote a piece for the Village Voice describing his experience, and he goes on to briefly discuss the implications of "John Doe" file-sharing lawsuits. He argues that the labels are using these suits as a source of profit; he also claims that when his lawyer contacted the RIAA to discuss the suit, he was put in touch with a regular staffer, not another lawyer. 'It feels like they're doing a volume business,' Mamatas' lawyer notes."

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  1. It's a profit center!! by Newer+Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's see.. 1700 times a minimum of 3000 dollars... 5.1 MILLION DOLLARS! Not too shabby, HUH? And I'll bet that the artists and performers never see a single cent of it!

    1. Re:It's a profit center!! by anagama · · Score: 4, Insightful

      • But the RIAA are greedy bastards. They are going to want to profit out of this somehow too. True, they are scaring the pants off of many file sharers, but in typical corporate fashion, there needs to be money involved too. They must have some plan for getting more cash with less billable legal hours.

      Forgive me. I'm a lawyer. When I read the article, the "gravy train" alarm went off in the back of my head. I'd wager this is set up on a contingent basis ... in other words, win something, lawyer takes a percentage. This means free legal representation to the RIAA, and millions in revenue for both of the lawyers and the RIAA. Let's do the math, $3-8000 per case, settlement fee at 25-33% per settlement. Multiply that by 1000s of cases for as long as you want to work. The RIAA doesn't need to pay a lawyer a cent out of it's existing coffers, it just gives up a percentage of money it wouldn't have gotten without the suit. That's a good deal for the RIAA.

      And all a lawyer would need for this would be a geek to snag the data who was articulate and had appropriate credentials to make a good expert witness (just in case a trial is needed), a small office, a telephone, and a paralegal earning $30 - 50k per year (more or less depending on the market) to handle settlement calls. Personally, I'd set up in a small town, could get rent for $1000, a receptionist for $8/hr, and a paralegal for under $30k. A pure profit machine.

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  2. It doesn't matter .... by mark-t · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It doesn't matter if they are just using the lawsuits as a revenue stream.

    Copyright infringement is against the law, and I have absolutely _no_ sympathy for people who think that because it's just a "little crime" there should be just a "little penalty". That's nothing more than a bunch of handwaving to rationalize the criminal activity in the first place.

    1. Re:It doesn't matter .... by $exyNerdie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Copyright infringement is against the law

      Laws are to be for the benefit of people. These days, if you are rich and can have a government official elected by generous donations, media exposure, etc., you can get laws passed that might benefit you more than the public...

    2. Re:It doesn't matter .... by Sancho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I stopped "respecting" copyright when they stopped sharing it back with the public. Remember that bit? Copyright is supposed to be a limited monopoly, but large copyright owners such as Disney keep pushing it back by purchasing new laws. And it's even been held up in court.

      No, I don't download because I don't want to get sued. But I can't accept copyright as it exists today.

  3. I don't feel his pain by waynegoode · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is his complaint?

    Is he upset that he got sued? That it was filed as a John Doe suit? He admits in the article he broke the law, so I don't think he has the right to complain.

    Is he upset that his lawyer (whom he did not pay) did not get to speak to lawyer at the RIAA? Doesn't the RIAA have the right to handle their case the way they want do?

    Is he upset they sued a lot of people at the same time as him? If it's illegal, say so and fight it. If the other people aren't guilty, let them complain. Otherwise, it sounds like an acceptable legal tactic to me.

    Yes, the RIAA has done some things wrong in handling these cases. Originally, they were requesting information without a filing a suit, but they have changed that. Also, they have sued some innocent people, but the writer admits he is not one of those.

    He was caught with his hand in the cookie jar and doesn't like it. Well, sorry. If he did not want to be sued and pay up he should have not violated the law. He, like everyone else, must face the consequences of their actions.

    I don't like the way the RIAA is reacting to digital music, but that does not give me the right to steal music. If you don't think someone is offering their music fairly, then boycott them. That is a time-honored legal method of protesting.

    Calling downloading "civil disobedience" is an insult to those, like the civil rights protesters and the protesters in Tiananmen Square, who have used civil disobedience to try to right the wrongs of society. File sharing is stealing to avoid paying the cost, not civil disobedience--it directly benefits the protester. Civil rights protesters did not directly benefit from their protests. The only thing they got was a change in the laws--the whole point of their protest..

    If you steal music, then, as a law breaker, what right do you have to complain about the RIAA?

    1. Re:I don't feel his pain by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I believe he is upset for the same reason that a lot of people are upset: they don't like copyright law. When a large percentage of the population think a law is no good that law should be rescinded. Why don't people like copyright law? Because it's no longer a good deal. Copyright used to be a law that only affected publishers engaging in trade. They were the only ones who could copy, so they were the only ones who were affected. Now we all copy, all the time, and we don't like a law that was crafted hundreds of years ago to serve the specific purpose of restricting trade to encourage progress restricting each and every one of us.

      Unfortunately, the will of the people no longer controls the state of laws in our countries. That's why we're upset, and frankly, I think it's a pretty good reason to be.

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    2. Re:I don't feel his pain by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm guessing you should still get paid for whatever you do however?

      I think musicians should get paid just the way I am paid:

      I go to work, I write software for my client, he pays me for it and then I don't give a rat's ass what he does with it afterwards.

      Musicians should record their music, get a buyer or group of buyers to pay for it, give it to them and then not give a rat's ass what they does with it afterwards.

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  4. Given their standards by jspoon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    And I'll bet that the artists and performers never see a single cent of it!

    From what I've read of their contracts with artists, the RIAA is probably charging them for the privilege.

  5. Re:does it matter? dont pay. by Jhon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Laws are different from state to state, but several years ago I won a case against someone (~$5000). I immediately put a lean on his real property (which was tied up because he was in the middle of a divorce).

    Granted, not everyone HAS property, but it doesn't cost a lot to find out.

    Took a number of years, but I finally got my money when he sold his house +10% a year interest. What was funny were the calls 5 or 6 months before I got my money -- him wanting to "settle" with me for a few hundred, then a thousand, then a few thousand, then the original amount... Bah. He never did found out how all his creditors knew he had title on some real property in my state... They got all their money, too... (heh)

  6. Re:The RIAA by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I say to you that the RIAA is to the American music afficinado and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone.

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