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Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger to Arrive in April

Silly Burrito writes "Think Secret is reporting that Tiger will be out in April with an event on April 1st and it should be out in stores by April 15th. If this is true, I can finally get both the Mini and a new Powerbook, as I've been waiting for Tiger to be released before I do so. Let's just hope that this isn't a bad April Fools Joke!"

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  1. Not a joke by unixmaster · · Score: 5, Informative

    Safari team is getting ready for a new Webcore release too. So Safari 2.0 is near that means Tiger is coming soon.

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  2. free upgrades by b17bmbr · · Score: 3, Informative

    apple would offer the free upgrade if you bought a PB within a month of tiger coming out. they're pretty good about that. though i'm still waiting for the g5 PB's.

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  3. ITConversations.com interviews Tiger developer by DoctoRoR · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think Tiger might tip me to the Apple side again, after being a Win 95/98/NT/XP user for a while. ITConversations.com ran an interview with the senior product line manager. There's no video, but it was interesting to hear him walk through the new features.

  4. Getting slower, contents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger to arrive in April

    By Ryan Katz, Senior Editor

    March 11, 2005 - Apple will officially announce Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger's release at an event in early April and will begin shipping the operating system within two or three weeks afterwards, Think Secret has learned. Apple has previously only stated that Tiger will ship during the first half of the 2005.

    The event, sources say, is currently scheduled for Friday, April 1 and will be delivered via satellite to numerous locations around the world. Unknown at this point is where the event will take place and whether the media or other outsiders will be invited to attend. Well placed sources say Tiger will likely be in stores by April 15.

    Multiple pieces of information gleaned from sources in recent weeks have pointed to an April release date for Tiger. Apple has doubled the software metrics for stores and resellers for the second quarter, ending May 31, for example. While several new software titles slated for release at NAB on April 18 will boost software revenue for stores, Tiger will be the jewel that Apple expects will allow resellers to double their sales from the first quarter.

    At least one of Apple's new pro apps the company will introduce at NAB will also require Tiger, sources say. Additionally, Apple is currently targeting updates to its iMac G5 and eMac systems for mid-April, which will come pre-installed with Tiger and iLife '05 (see related story).

    In recent weeks, Apple has significantly increased the frequency of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger builds released to developers, another indication that development is rapidly wrapping up. Earlier this week, a gaffe on Apple's Mac OS X downloads page also listed three new categories pertaining to Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger: links to "Automater Actions," "Dashboard Widgets," and "Spotlight Plugins" all lead to pages that were not yet available at apple.com. Apple has since removed those links from the categories listing.

    Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger will sell for $129 and has been billed as the most substantial upgrade to Mac OS X since the operating system debuted.

    QuickTime 7 will also be released with Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, sources say. A Mac OS X 10.3-compatible version, code-named Gibson, will be released around the same time.

  5. Re:DVD only? by tabkey12 · · Score: 4, Informative

    1) Apple is almost certainly going to ship a CD edition of Tiger. The DVD edition was only for the Developer's Preview.
    2. All Macs after iMac Slot-Loader can boot from FireWire Optical Drives.
    3. Even better, FireWire Macs can access the optical drive of another Mac when the slave Mac is booted into FireWire Target Disk mode, removing the need for an external DVD drive!

  6. Re:The question is: by bunratty · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the latest version of IE is not available for Windows 2000. You need Windows XP to get the pop-up blocker and other enhancements.

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  7. Re:OS10.4 Upgrade for new Macs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    usually once it is "officially anounced" any new system purchase will be able to obtain the new os for the cost of media (I think $20).

  8. What's in Tiger by Twid · · Score: 4, Informative

    FYI, the Tiger pages at Apple have been updated recently.
    Here's a nice tour of the features.

    In my opinion, most of the new features in Tiger are more developer-friendly than end-user-friendly, but that's OK, because I think you're going to see some incredible apps come out that use Core Image, Core Video, and Spotlight. Those apps should be what make you want Tiger, not Tiger itself. Out of all the new stuff in Tiger I think the new Mail.app is the best. People spend their work day in e-mail, and the new mail.app looks incredible.

    Don't forget Tiger Server. It's a really nice update. New ACL system, 64-bit native, iChat Server (using Jabber), weblog server, and a new software update server. The most interesting feature to me is the new Portable Home Directories. Mac OS X clients will be able to have a home directory on their laptop, and it will trickle sync the home directory with the network when you are connected to your office server.

    Personally, I don't believe the ThinkSecret rumor for a second. Apple is *way* too marketing savvy to release a product on April Fool's Day. Also, April 1 is a Friday. Apple almost always announces products on Tuesday. :)

    - Todd

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  9. Re:The question is: by mehgul · · Score: 5, Informative

    Apple has a habit of providing security updates (among them the ones related to web browsing) both for Panther and Jaguar. Your post is misleading. And the latest iTunes is available for OX 10.1.5 onwards.

    And for the OS updates not being worth the price, this is your own opinion. A lot of people have the opposite.

  10. Re:Lawsuits over then? by NtroP · · Score: 5, Informative
    OK, maybe I'm really missing something here.

    I thought ThinkSecret was getting "sued" to get the names of the person(s) who gave them the secrets. Everyone is making is sound like Apple is asking ThinkSecret to shut down, pay millions, or some other onerous thing. This is not the case. Apple asked ThinkSecret for a name. ThinkSecret said "No". Apple then asked the court to compell ThinkSecret to give them the name. After careful consideration of the case the court said "yes". NOW, if ThinkSecret STILL refuses, the court might impose a penalty, such as fines or jail time.

    Apple wants the name(s) of those who violated the law and broke their NDA (so they can go after them for actual damages, etc.). The courts ruled (this is my translation/interpretation) that ThinkSecret IS/ARE journalists. However, even journalists don't have the right to withhold the identity of a source who has violated the law by giving the journalist the information in the first place. The idea that journalists can protect their sources is a good one, because is allows them to break stories about "public interest" (not "things that interest the public" - there's a difference). Things like whistle-blowing (which, although might really piss off the company, is NOT illegal to do).

    If ThinkSecret had instead run a "leaked" story that MacMini's were produced by indentured 6-year-olds and were made of Soilent Green, they would NOT have been ordered to give up their sources. NDA's do not cover releasing information about violations of the law or dangers to the public. They DO cover releasing information that is a trade secret or other proprietary information that you have signed a contract to NOT give out.

    Journalists, like ThinkSecret, do NOT have carte-blanch for releasing any information they want and STILL protecting their sources. I don't even think the court has said that ThinkSecret was wrong to release the information they did. They just know now that they can't LEGALY protect their sources in these type of situations. Does this make it harder to get "credible" information in the future? You bet. That sucks for them. Their sources will have to give them information REALLY anonymously and ThinkSecret will have to guess which ones are real/likely, with the rest of us. Their free-ride is over.

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  11. Re:Did they fix the graphing calculator hack? by node+3 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Even better. They're including an all new graphing calculator. It's called Graphulator

  12. Apple was incorporated on April 1st by johnpaul191 · · Score: 4, Informative

    that's the first of a long line of releases and whatnot on the day.....

  13. Re:Warning: The latest Powerbooks have issues by Rick+Genter · · Score: 4, Informative

    I guess I got lucky then. I bought a 12" PowerBook G4 about 3 weeks ago and have no issues with it. Good battery life (> 4 hours), no dead pixels, no wobble, and the trackpad works extremely well. I especially like the new "scrolling trackpad" feature, though it's taken me some getting used to putting two fingers on the 'pad (10 years of avoiding putting multiple fingers on the 'pad is taking some effort to overcome :-).

    Sorry to hear you've had such problems.

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  14. Re:Warning: The latest Powerbooks have issues by Red_Winestain · · Score: 3, Informative
    FWIW, my 2-week only PB 15 (2GB RAM, 100 GB HD) has none of those problems. The only "problem" is the Airport Extreme card still has poor reception, at least compared to my old white iBook G3.

    On the plus side, battery life is superb, auto dimming works well, and I love the back-lit keys.

    The parent didn't say what PB he had. Perhaps the 17" have more problems. I didn't get that one, as it is just too large for travelling. I decided not to wait for a G5 due to the noise of the G5 iMac at work.

  15. Re:Lawsuits over then? by Leo+McGarry · · Score: 4, Informative

    Read this blog post which I linked from another story last night. The author does a good job of walking you through exactly what Apple is claiming, including providing a copy of the complaint itself.

    Long story short: Apple says that Ciarelli offered anonymity in exchange for trade secrets. In California, offering something in exchange for somebody breaking a contract is called tortious interference. Second, Apple says that Ciarelli knowingly published trade secrets. In California, it's against the law to do that, under the Uniform Trade Secrets Act.

    So yeah, Think Secret is probably going to have to shut down or pay millions or some other onerous thing because Ciarelli broke the law.

    You're only thinking about one small part of the dispute, the subpoenas for the names of the leakers.

  16. Re:The question is: by milkman_matt · · Score: 3, Informative

    I got my Mac with Jaguar, and found that the Panther upgrade was worthwhile. Unlike with Windows, the OS X update resulted in a faster machine.

    Another good point, for a few years using OS X I was running it on a G3/400 powerbook. Now I don't think I have to tell you, that 10.0 was ... slow, to say the least. But with every OS update, and every release update, it got faster and faster, by 10.2 it was actually VERY usably fast, and this was on a 4 or 5 year old system. I always desperately awaited updates, because I knew my system was going to become faster.

  17. Re:Warning: The latest Powerbooks have issues by calstraycat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry to hear you got a lemon. I think it's a bit presumptuous to assume the problem is widespread based on anecdotal evidence though.

    I've had my new 15" PB for over a month now and have had no problems. The trackpad scrolling works great and I love it.

  18. Re:Fact??? by Leo+McGarry · · Score: 4, Informative

    You think that because of this report, someone will be able to imitate the features of Tiger -- which have already been announced by the company itself -- between today and April 1? Come on!

    No, I don't. But that's not the criterion by which we judge. Read on.

    Apple jealously guards everything pertaining to the company and its products. That doesn't make everything a trade secret.

    Actually, in California, it kinda does. The Uniform Trade Secrets Act, 3426.1, defines a trade secret as any information that has economic value and that the company acts to protect. The release date of an upcoming product clearly has economic value. You don't even have to argue that. Just look around this Web page and see how many people are saying that they've been planning to make a purchase but that, on the strength of this rumor, they would wait for Tiger's release. Any time anybody wants a product today but decides to wait until tomorrow to buy it, the company loses just a little bit of money. A few bucks. Multiply that by thousands of people and a month or more and suddenly it's a significant deal. Clearly the premature announcement of a release date has significant economic impact on Apple's bottom line.

    So yeah. Under California law, it's a trade secret. Cut-and-dried, open-and-shut.

  19. Re:DVD only? by ps_inkling · · Score: 4, Informative
    At least mention how to use Target Disk mode...

    Restart your Macintosh

    While the Macintosh makes the pleasant startup sound, press and hold the 'T' key on your Macintosh's keyboard

    As you wait approximately 20 seconds for Target Disk mode to begin, imagine the profitability of the third step

    When the pretty day-glow orange FireWire logo appears on your Target Disk Macintosh's screen, release the 'T' key

    Connect your Target Disk Macintosh's FireWire port to another Macintosh's FireWire port using a standard FireWire cable

    Watch as the drive(s) of the Target Disk Macintosh appear on the screen of the other Macintosh in bright day-glow orange

    Copy files previously unaccessable on the Target Disk Macintosh to a safe location

    With Target Disk mode, it's easy to make backup copies of critical files for offsite storage.

  20. Re:The question is: by multiOSfreak · · Score: 3, Informative
    Have I missed something?

    Yes. OS X point releases are not just upgrade versions. They are also standalone, full-install products that do not require previous installs. This comes in handy when you want to reformat a drive or if you buy a used Mac and want to wipe it clean and start over.

    In other words, 10.3 does not require 10.2 to be installed in order to "upgrade."

    For a fair comparison, you should look at the cost of the full version of XP Pro vs. the cost of the latest OS X. That would be $147.95 (Newegg) vs. $129 (Apple store), respectively.
  21. Try Fully Connecting Aiport Antenna by MisterSquid · · Score: 3, Informative

    The only "problem" is the Airport Extreme card still has poor reception, at least compared to my old white iBook G3.

    The iBooks get the best reception of all Macintosh models. At least this was the case when I got my 15" 1.25 GHz Powerbook about 1.5 years ago. So, you probably won't see the kind of reception on your Powerbook as you do on your iBook.

    That said, some Powerbooks, especially the 12" models, have reception issues (like getting 2 bars when fewer than 10 feet from the WiFi node, Airport or generic) and the way to improve it is to open up your PB and to make sure the connector to the Airport card is fully seated.

    It seems sort of silly, but for a while many Powerbooks were coming out the factory with their Airport cards not fully connected to the Airport antenna. Check yours just to make sure.

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  22. Re:DVD only? by justforaday · · Score: 3, Informative

    While you're at it, you may as well mention how to boot one machine off the hard drive in another...

    After one machine is booted in target disk mode, connect the firewire cable and restart the other machine while holding down the F key. Handy way of using your crappy iBook's home directory in a computer lab that has nice G4s or G5s.

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  23. Re:The question is: by Mspangler · · Score: 3, Informative

    "With 10.4 coming out, it's not clear if Apple will want to EOL 10.2, even though there's apparently a substantial userbase still on it."

    I'm still using 10.2.8, for instance. Support for the 10.1 series did just sort of stop, but every machine that could run 10.1 could also run 10.2. However, not every machine that could run 10.2 could also run 10.3. Support for the Beige G3's was dropped when 10.3 came out. (Probably some laptops were in this boat as well, but I don't pay attention to them.)

    I suspect that the upgrades to 10.2 will be dropped when the last of those G3 machines hit 7 years old (the time set by California law for support). How long 10.3 is supported will depend on what old machines 10.4 will fail to support.

    I suspect 10.4 will require AGP graphics, which will drop out the Blue & White G3s (and again some laptops.) It could even require 4X AGP, which would kill off the first G4 machines as well. Just have to wait and see, I guess.

  24. Re:The question is: by Myuu · · Score: 3, Informative

    From the Tiger readme:
    "System requirements
    You must have a Macintosh computer with
    a PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor
    a DVD drive
    built-in FireWire
    at least 128 MB of RAM
    a built-in display or a display connected to an Apple-supplied video card supported
    by your computer
    at least 2 GB of disk space available, or 3.5 GB if you install the developer tools"

    Built in firewire seems to be the key.

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