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Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger to Arrive in April
Silly Burrito writes "Think Secret is reporting that Tiger will be out in April with an event on April 1st and it should be out in stores by April 15th. If this is true, I can finally get both the Mini and a new Powerbook, as I've been waiting for Tiger to be released before I do so. Let's just hope that this isn't a bad April Fools Joke!"
Why is this being taken as fact? Do the editors believe Think Secret to be a reputable news source that knows the exact release date for a given product? Has this information been confirmed by the vendor itself?
No. It's a rumor. Don't state it as fact - it pisses me off. The headline is not just misleading, it could be entirely misinformation.
Remove head from ass, then post.
If by "revealed details about Tiger prematurely" you really mean "distributed prerelease copies over the internet" then I'd say no...
I'll turn into a supernova and burn up everything. Well I'll turn into a black little hole and you'll turn into string.
April 1st is the beginning of Apple's fiscal year, so that wouldn't be a surprising release date.
Why should free speech trump the rights of an individual or a company to use a contract to keep information private?
Why would you buy a laptop with just an OS update. This is so strange about MAC fans. I would refuse to buy it until they get a g5 in it as well as the new OS.
oh please. some dude with a blog spouting off what his cat did today does not a journalist make....
nick at think secret is a rumor monger. not a jounralist.
please don't lump this case in the same class as the Pentagon Papers. You perform a diservice to real journalists and all our rights when you do..
So do you think Apple should stop updating it's core APIs and making stuff better/easier to use for it's developers, or just start back-porting all new stuff to old OSes just so that mr I installed 10.1 and think it rocks can quit bitching about not being able to use Safari?
Apple is already slowing down their releases. Tiger is taking about 18 months where Panther was what? 12?
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>> OSX isn't a "free" (as in speech) operating system. It may
>> be based on a Unix-like foundation, but thats on excuse.
>> We should be promoting Free software, not closed.
Why? What makes you believe all this rubbish?
Perhaps you have Slashdot confused with some other web site.
My bet is that you used a commercial for-profit ISP to connect to Slashdot in the first place, utilizing hardware that was manufactured by companies who's products also aren't "free" (as in speech).
My guess is that the doctor who snatched you from your mother's womb was, likewise, not "free" (as in speech).
Quit being silly.
so many loyal slashdotters were welcoming Apple's victory against journalism?
If you had actually read any of the articles or bothered to spend 10 minutes informing yourself on the topic, you would realize that in fact Apple had not scored a "victory against journalism", but instead had won the right to subpeona records in order to determine how information was illegally obtained.
The judge stated, quite rationally, that it didn't matter if the bloggers at the center of the case were journalists or not, for even journalists lack the right to publish trade secrets that do not benefit the public interest. More to the point, the judge stated that interest by the public is not the same as public interest.
So if you want to go on being misinformed, then please be my guest and don't read the articles. But at least have the decency to do so quietly and not spread FUD around the internets.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
Thanks for reading. You can now turn off your computer.
I find the updates ARE worth the asking price, having used mostly Windows in the past.
when MS 'upgrades' something it costs twice as much, has almost no new functionality, and is usually less secure.
consider the upgrade price for Windows XP and imo the only thing worth having was the bluetooth support.
I was pleased to find that Apple not only releases security updates but genuine improvements. I won't mind paying for 10.4 knowing I won't just get what it says on the box (which is great anyway), but probably some nice stuff between now and 10.5 too.
It's not a matter of if it's free or not. It's a matter of if it's good or not.
It's not in Apple's interest to have old, buggy versions of Safari out there. They already have trouble getting people to support them for complex webapps (examples: Google Maps, gmail). Having multiple versions just compounds the testing and support costs for a small userbase.
And 18 months is still a very short cycle for corporate deployments (where they love Windows 2000 from 5 years ago), but that's probably not that important for Apple.
Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
They already have trouble getting people to support them for complex webapps (examples: Google Maps, gmail).
Christ. Google Maps and Gmail are beta products. It's not as if they had no intention of supporting Safari until people started bitching.
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the strongest word is still the word "free"
If you mean Safari 2.0 will be in Tiger, that sounds unlikely to me. If they want to release in less than a month, I'd be very surprised if they wouldn't have the gold CD images ready already.
I don't see how that contradicts my point at all -- Safari is still treated as second tier, due to missing functionailty. As Apple gets Safari up to speed with all the doodads in Mozilla and IE, it's critical that they move the entire userbase.
Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
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It contradicts your point because pointing to beta websites that don't support Safari for their first week or two in public hardly indicates that Safari is having trouble getting people to support them.
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the strongest word is still the word "free"
"Why should free speech trump the rights of an individual or a company to use a contract to keep information private?"
Because free speach is the very basis of democracy and the rule of law?
Actually, no. While we hold those rights very high in the United States, the basis of democracy and capitalism is property rights.
Who is this "we"? Some of us don't have any issue at all with proprietary software, particularly when that software is superior to other alternatives. In my opinion, that's the case with OSX. Nothing else compares.
Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
The NDA contract is between Apple and a second party. Typically, one does not sue or subpoena a third party when the second party is known to breach contract. If the second party is not known, then this is all a fishing expedition or a SLAPP, both of which should be thrown out of court with malice.
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If you plan a surprise birthday party for your child, or your wife, and someone gratuitously tells them all about it in advance, then I suspect you will feel damaged. Whether the person who did the telling thinks you should feel damaged isn't really relevant, is it?
One issue with the security updates is that Apple has not made it clear how long the official support window is. The updates to 10.1 just stopped one day.
With 10.4 coming out, it's not clear if Apple will want to EOL 10.2, even though there's apparently a substantial userbase still on it. My hope is that Apple makes a formal statement saying how long 10.2 users can expect to recieve security patches.
Whenever I hear the word 'Innovation', I reach for my pistol.
To claim that property rights are the very basis of democray is simply ludicrous, but I guess that doesn't count as long as it helps to defend Apple.
MS isn't going to create a new Windows release for April 1-14, but they could schedule their own press event for that period extolling the feature set of the Longhorn beta to steal some (or all) of Apple's thunder. They've done it before.
Has anyone else noted the irony that this whole issue is really about two NDAs?
On the one hand, we have the NDA between Apple and whoever leaked the information. People go to great lengths to explain how breaking that NDA, and/or publishing information gained from someone who did break that NDA, is Freedom Of Speech Goodness Galore.
On the other hand, we have ThinkSecret's promise of anonymity to its sources.
Now, if you think about it for five seconds, that pretty much boils down to another NDA, aka: an Agreement Not to Disclose information. But this NDA has to be protected at all costs because, again, that's Freedom Of Speech.
If "All Secrets Limit My Freedom", as some people have argued, and "Any Judge Who Enforces An NDA Is Pissing On Freedom Of Speech", as has also been argued (repeatedly), what makes ThinkSecret's decision to withold information so good?
"If ThinkSecret gave up the names of its sources, it won't be able to attract sources in the future," you say? But doesn't that pretty much boil down to the statement: "ThinkSecret uses NDAs to protect its business"?
And this is different from Apple's NDA.. how?
Win XP Pro Upgrade is currently $179.99 at Amazon.
All movements for social change begin as missions, evolve into businesses, and end up as rackets.
Presumably he means the IE6 SP2 popup blocker. It's part of XP Service Pack 2, and hasn't been backported to 2K.
Well, you were making a good point up till here. In my country, doctors are free (as in beer) to the person requiring treatment through taxation. More importantly, medical knowledge *is* free (as in speech). Can you imagine a situation where it wasn't?? Where a doctor would hold on to his/her knowledge to give themselves a competitive advantage? Not only would patients suffer, through the concentration of this knowledge, but the doctor would suffer as his/her ideas would not advance through the contribution of their peers.
Scientific knowledge needs to be free.
Frankly, I wish this SHIT wouldn't get moderated up.
Go to www.apple.com.
Go to the iTunes page. Tell me what version the latest and greatest iTunes requires (here's hint, it isn't 10.3, it isn't 10.2).
You will never lose the ability to use your iPod because a new MacOS comes out.
Calling the bundled applications 'free software' in this context is pure misinformation. Guess what? You bought the MacOS. You got a bunch of bundled apps. You are surprised you don't get free updates (forever) that add functionality?
I agree with the gripes about security updates (they should be provided for at least 2 releases of the software).
The rest of your post is full of misinformation and ignorance.
Also, I should add that the money I spent on 10.3 was worth it in my mind. It runs amazingly well on 4 year old hardware and added a lot over 10.2. I should also add that I never paid for 10.0 or 10.1, they were included in the price of my hardware.
Getting 4 years out of my hardware and spending 7.5% of that hardware cost on software that honestly *increased the value* of said hardware? Not so bad a trade in my book.
Still, this is Slashdot, the world of 'I want everything for free, from movies to music to microcode.'
Actually, no. The "rule of law" is based on guns. Lots of guns.
Windows does not get faster and more efficient with each version as OS X does.
Will that Radeon 9200 32MB video be able to handle the GPU-intense graphics of OSX 10.4. I'm hoping some sites will take a look at that question when tiger is available.
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If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
It's better than writing an inefficient OS and then charging people for ever slower versions, like Microsoft.