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OpenBSD CVS RAID Array Failing, Needs Replacement
Sam writes "The OpenBSD cvs server has a failing RAID array.
Users of the projects on that array:
OpenBSD,
OpenSSH,
OpenBGPD,
OpenNTPD,
and the upcoming
OpenCVS
are all invited to contribute towards the $12,500 cost of a suitably high-spec replacement.
OpenBSD Journal article, and original request (thread)."
I guess that it is a good thing that I decided to spend all day today compiling NetBSD instead of OpenBSD ... but, those projects are somewhat important, especially OpenSSH; if I were not a poor college student, I would contribute. Good luck.
It is official; Netcraft confirms: OpenBSD's RAID is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered OpenBSD community when IDC confirmed that the OpenBSD RAID has failed again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent properly operating. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that OpenBSD's raid has lost more sectors, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. OpenBSD's RAID is collapsing into complete Redundant Disarray of Inexpensive Disks, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict OpenBSD's RAID's future. The hand writing is on the wall: OpenBSD's RAID faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for OpenBSD's RAID because OpenBSD's RAID is dying. Things are looking very bad for OpenBSD's RAID. As many of us are already aware, OpenBSD's RAID continues to data. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
Fact: OpenBSD's RAID is dying
I think it's because they want quality equipment with a service contract. Your RAID enclosure built of duct tape and popsicle sticks fails to amuse.
How do we actually make a donation?
It would seem to me they could build one for significantly less. Dell's 4 hour service isn't as fast as having spare parts on-hand and swapping them yourself (someone has to be there to let Dell in so why can't they pull a harddrive sled and slide in a new one?). Plus the savings by building it themselves would more than cover the price of spare harddrives/controllers, etc...
That is just my experience. Dell's service/support is pretty good but I've had a significantly higher rate of failure on their hardware compared to purchasing components individually.
"If you want to help, paypal some money to slash at peereboom dot us, or you can use the OpenBSD ordering system. Be sure to mention its for the cvs machine."
What does the 'i' stand for in RAID?
Thanks.
while you've still got good data... take a backup first though... but shut it down...
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I'll make an exceptional donation... I use OpenBSD on so many systems (now even on a SMP systen... yay!) that I owe Theo and Co.
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It's well know that the troll community is suffering greatly from excessive inbreeding. It's really noticable that this inbreeding is seriously impairing their already scant intellectual skills. They are not even capable to do a simple copy/paste/replace/post. They'll quite simply breed themselves to extinction, so you can donate that bounty to OpenBSD instead.
Perfect, then someone will come along and offer $50 000 for a BSD-licensed version, and then the project will be back under the same license as before. Except now it will have a new RAID, $37 500 in extra cash, plus whatever money and/or hardware you planned to donate. You're a genius!
> [...] You're a genius!
If the 50.000 offer were anything near serious, he definitely would be!
If you use any OSS unix-like, or many OSS tools other than something with an Open* name, you are likely using at least a few things that have benefitted directly from the OpenBSD project. In an effort to keep OpenBSD secure, they contribute security patches to all sorts of software that runs on OpenBSD.
In particular, I'd encourage everyone who uses Linux to contribute.
I thought Apple based OSX on BSD. Why aren't they flying to BSD's aid? Im actually quite surprised more big businesses aren't riddling the BSD community with money. I realize the whole OSS movement is built on the philosophy of "share and share alike", but blindly ripping the work of others without giving back is gross.
Also, the FSF believes everyone has the right to all code, thus anything that allows for a closed source version of anything denies the "right" to said code and is therefore bad.
Another note: The OSI are irrelevant, the only thing that matters for making something open source is there being access to the source; a little slip of words mean nothing, nor does the "thumbs up" from an organisation that does not contribute anything to the community, it is the access to the code that makes something open source by definition.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
This would make it slightly difficult to buy from them.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
hmm, let's look at the facts
the person organizing the replacement (marco@) works with at lowest level of disks as a day job. he is very involved in all of the obsd scsi stuff
you agree that scsi is "outdated super expensive technology", but offer no facts, nor have you bothered to check the configuration they currently have
who should i consider more knowledgable in this subject matter?
for the kind of work that cvs.openbsd.org does, ide simply will not cut it
for storing big pr0n movies, ide works fine. for lots of cvs commits and checkouts and heavy i/o from nfs, ide sucks
vodka, straight up, thank you!
Network Appliance a.k.a NetApp is noticeably absent from the OpenBSD donations page (www.openbsd.org/donations.html). Anyone who uses a NetApp knows immediately that the OnTap OS is BSD, always has been BSD.
Considering the Billions (yes, Billions) of dollars in revenue NetApp has derived from the BSDs, I am appalled at the company's lack of contribution back to the BSD community!
Considering that a good number of their founders, engineers, and developers were educated at Berkeley (yes the B in BSD), I am doubly appalled at the company's lack of contribution!
Now OpenBSD is looking for some storage and NetApp sits by while a POS Dell array is considered? You know, Dell, as in EMC's (NetApp's biggest competitor) biggest partner!
HELLO? NetApp? HELLO? You should make sure that all the BSDs host their CVS repositories on NetApp, a nice BSD based platform.
FWIW... Yes, I contribute. I have standing subscriptions and kick in a few extra bucks when needed.
The money has been raised, the purchase shall soon be made. The link is here and you will note that the only companies that put in any money are smaller ones and the rest of the money has come from individuals.
I'm sick of following my dreams - I'm just going to ask them where they're going and hook up with them later.
I think in your whole mini-rant you managed to get one fact right : seek time being important for apps.
:-)
... why do clued up sys admins use SCSI/FC disks for server applications when you can buy bigger/faster/cheaper IDE disks instead ? (ignoring seektimes and command queuing etc)
... reliability. A server class disk is designed to run for years on end and be thrashed constantly, hence they are built to be more reliable than their desktop cousins. The interface used to connect them to the host is also more reliable, has more error checking and correction, is usually even made of better materials .. in all you get what you pay for!
... for on-line storage of sev-1 applications it's not so great.
:-)
The rest was garbage
Have a think about this
It's really a simple answer you know
IDE/ATA/S-ATA is great for desktop use and for nearline storage devices (low activity archives)
Just a few tidbits of knowledge I've picked up in 10 years of data storage management
Also, it was hard to get money from companies, and almost everything seems to have come from caring individuals: message here
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Arguably, GPL software is more Free (with a capital F) while BSD software is more Open. I say arguably because people have been arguing about this shit on slashdot for ages (myself included.)
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