The Fate of The Free Newspaper
jm92956n writes "We've all become accustomed to the wide availability of newspapers and other media online, almost all of which is available for free. Today, however, The New York Times (free registration required; how ironic!) is running an article that questions the long term viability of that business model. Interestingly, the Times now has more online readers than print readers. Is the era of free news content about to end?"
But when it comes to online news, they are happy to read it but loath to pay for it.
1). We're already used to it being free
2.) The payment barrier still sucks, i.e.: No valid micropayment system exists (STILL) and people who read their news ont he web generally don't want a subscription to every resource they use. If there were a reasonable micropayment system in place, where content poroviders could charge you a few cents to read an article or access certian content, without hassle to the end-user, this type of thing could work.
How do you get a critical mass using a micropayment system? I'm not touching that one. If I had an answer, I'd already be at 5.) Profit!
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It was just without charge.
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Of the more savvy consumer. I don't think anyone's blind to advertising revenues, and the idea of paying to see ads is getting more and more insulting as time marches on.
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The amount you pay for a daily newspaper does not even cover the printing and distribution costs. All money made by the paper (and the majority of production costs) is covered by advertising-- print ads and classifieds. The $.25 or $.50 you pay barely covers the paper and ink.
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Web distribution is negligible on daily per-person basis.
The problem here is the failure of online advertising. Somehow during the dotcom boom "per click" payment became the obsession. It seems on the web "branding" or "product awareness" is no longer valuable. There's no perfectly quantifiable way to tell if these sort of ads work in newspapers or television, but if they're not getting the clicks they want, the advertisers say "web advertising doesn't work!!"
I think the obvious answer to this is local data, such as google local. Using your ip address to find your locality and serving up neighborhood ads is the only way for this business model to work-- not just advertising pizza hut, but putting pizza hut's local numbers in the ads you see will help.
But you guys can't have it both ways-- if you block the ads through your browser or your host list, you can't expect free content forever. That's why i don't use anything (other than a popup blocker, of course) to prohibit ads. They are what allow us to consume "free" content.
Remember that next time you block one of these guys. Or go ahead and pay for that content. Slashdot's business model should lead the way!
how ironic!
My favorite way of helping people realize the difference between irony and coincidence is as follows:
"Irony deals with opposites. Coincidence deals with the same. If a rescue helicopter happened to kill the person they were trying save, that might be a form of irony. The fact you are an idiot, and unable to differenciate between irony and coincidence, my friend, is just a coincidence."
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But not as easy to read on the train to work.
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What's the allure to the consumer of a "paper" paper? With an online newspaper, I can browse at work, for free, without getting ink on my hands.
The weight. The portability. The convenience. Yeah, I can pop open my laptop in bed, or at the kitchen table, but the physical paper is much easier to carry around from bed to kitchen. When on the subway, it's impossible to pop open a laptop to read the news. On the commuter train, you can use a laptop, but with the crowded seats the paper is still more convenient. During lunch if it's nice out I'll head to the park, maybe bring the paper with me. The actual paper is so much easier to carry around and to read than a full sized laptop. No, PDAs just don't work for reading news.
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Yeah, but it would look weird to carry your computer with you to read in the bathroom (I swear, that's the best reading seat in the whole house!!!).. :)
Don't you guys see the contradiction in this article? Thier subscriptions are down, thier free readership is up, and they are writing an article about how free news won't work. Doesn't this sound like they are primeing thier online readers for some kind of subscription fee down the road?
If giving away words printed on paper is a viable business model, there's no way you can argue that giving away words on a computer screen isn't. Walking through Union Station in the morning, I see no fewer than three different free daily newspapers. Obviously someone is making money doing this, otherwise they wouldn't keep doing it.
Why is it that the proponents of "one nation under God" are so eager to get rid of "liberty and justice for all"?
Take a particular look at this quote from the article:
"The New York Times on the Web, which is owned by The New York Times Company, has been considering charging for years and is expected to make an announcement soon about its plans."
Is this story anything more than a trial balloon to see how the Web community might react to a pay-for-use system?
even if the companies start charging for news, others will be able to duplicate the same content on their blog sites, thus nullifying the model. also, if only *one* single major news source continues free RSS feeds, the ones who charge will loose readership (unless they're significantly more credible than others, say, A.P.)
Sites can charge for *premium* content, like special features. but for regular headline news, free will be the way to go for quite some time to come
If I see a really interesting article, I'll probably want my friends to see it too; either by emailing it or blogging about it.
A subscription-only site has less value to me since I can't spread the news around. Even if I subscribe to a micropayments scheme, my friends probably don't.
If you close content off from the public, you reduce the value of that content. A subscription site might have great content, but most people will never know about it because no-one else is linking too it.
Once you register they monitor and advertise to what you are intersted. Thank (insert almighty being here) that we have programs like http://www.bugmenot.com/. Does anyone know of any other software that can be used to bypass BS free registration sites?
Ms Calendar: Honestly, what is it about them that bothers you so much?
... it has no texture, no context. It's there and then it's gone. If it's to last, then the getting of knowledge should be tangible, it should be, um... smelly.
Giles: The smell.
Ms Calendar: Computers don't smell, Rupert.
Giles: I know. Smell is the most powerful trigger to the memory there is. A certain flower or a whiff of smoke can bring up experiences long forgotten. Books smell. Musty and, and, and, and rich. The knowledge gained from a computer, is, it
Ms Calendar: Well! You really are an old-fashioned boy, aren't you?
This explain anything? That said, there really is something about having an acutal piece of paper in your hands. Maybe if electronic paper ever gets developed enought that might help.
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- Ad-Supported Model: Consumers get the content for free as long as they are willing to watch & click-through enough ads. Sucks because people hate/block/avoid ads (insufficient revenues), although Google might make this work.
- BBC Model: An annual government tax on PCs is used to fund a quasi-independent news gathering organization. Sucks because it adds a tax, will never happen in the U.S. (due to freedom of the press and government non-compete issues), but it could happen in the UK.
- a la Carte Model: Every content creator charges their own subcription. Sucks if you want to read more than one source.
- Flat-Rate Integrator Model: A subscriber pays a monthly subscription for all the news/content aggregated by a given company (AOL, Yahoo, Google?). Sucks because snooty brand-conscious content providers (NYT, WSJ, etc.) will never join an aggregator -- they will prefer to force people to pay separate subscriptions for separate content sources.
- Micopayment Model: A subscriber pays-per-view, the charge showing up on their monthly ISP/cellphone/credit card bill. Sucks because the cost of admin and dealing with disputed charges wipes out most of the revenues. Sucks because people hate being nickled and dimed to death.
I guess we will see which sucky model gets adopted. I suspect they all will with ad-supported and a la carte being more common than the others.Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
The NY Times has already dropped off the radar as far as the search engines are concerned by it's policy of taking archived materials off-line. Any paper that charges for content will also disappear from Google & Co., if not directly, by blocking them, then by alienating people who follow search links to their site and then telling them they can't see the article unless they pay up.
Maybe they can reach a compromise like some sites are doing now (by allowing one free visit) but news sites in particular need to realize that success in these internets depends on search engines.
Online news outlets have had problems supporting themselves with ad revenues (as the paper editions have always done), but that's largely their own fault. Nobody ever expects that readers will throw down the print edition of a newspaper and run off to respond to an ad, but that's exactly what advertisers seem to expect with Web ads. So, they've made them increasingly intrusive and obnoxious, insisting that everyone take notice regardless of interest or relevance. So, the public responded with ad-blocking. If ads in the print version slapped me in the face every time I opened the paper, I'd stop reading it (or at least wear a face mask) too...
According to the article they have more-or-less had about 1.1 million print readers since 1993.
All I see is a greater circulation now that they have an extra 1.4 million online readers.
Nowhere do I see them saying they have LOST print subscribers.
The weight of assumption is too great to claim that those online readers would have otherwise bought the print version - just like assuming people who downloaded free albums from Napster would have bought the CD.
Bottom line = this is 100% additional exposure for NYT, and perhaps other papers like it.
Knowledge is like ignorance.. too much can be just as bad as not enough.
Yeah right. This "end" has been heralded several times before and it's never happened.
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So is the irony that they require registration, or that the registration is free? The registration part is not ironic since it is a step in the direction they are warning about, no more free news. The fact that it's now free is not ironic since the fact that they're making you register means you're not really getting the news for free. The info you provide has value to the New York Times. Whether or not they can cash in in directly for revenue or not, I don't know.
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Yes.. I did read the article. I certainly may have misunderstood. The way I am reading, the average daily readership over a decade is down by about 5%. I'm guessing that's not horribly significant.
If they had 1.1 million readers per day in 1993 and today have only 300,000 I would say that is significant. I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing that their average readership is essentially unchanged over the entire time span of the Internet "boom".
The only way they could be seen as losing readership is if you presume the online readers would otherwise pay for the printed version.
Knowledge is like ignorance.. too much can be just as bad as not enough.