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The Continuing Hunt for PATRIOT Act Abuses
Throtex writes "Orin Kerr, Associate Professor of Law at George Washington University writes at The Volokh Conspiracy that the Department of Justice is having trouble finding abuses of the USA PATRIOT Act. This follows from the fact that what the media originally aired as abuses were merely allegations of abuse at the time. Could it be that there has just been a lot of fuss over nothing?"
Hell, the people being held there had been kept against their will under US jurisdiction for so long some of them could probably soon become US citizens.
It's disgusting that a so-called "war on terrorism/war for freedom" is being fought by the very country that is ignoring basic human rights and basic international conventions itself. The US government is on record as saying that even if prisoners (let's cut out all this "detainees" crap) held at Camp X-Ray are found not guilty of any crimes that they are brought up on in US military courts (where they have no say in their legal representation) that there is a high likelyhood that they will still won't be let free.
Saddam Hussein pulls this kind of shit and he's the devil himself. The US proudly does it in full view of the world and it's somehow OK? Talk about hypocrisy and double standards.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
I don't know which is sicker...
Bush detaining whoever he wants with his Act.
Or
The American people voting him in a second term to allow him to detain whoever he wants some more.
It's amazing to me how little attention this situation gets... what's more, it's amazing at how few people in the U.S. actually care about it.
Frankly, I think the biggest problem with the average people in the U.S. is that *we* have no sense of reality and certainly lacking, if no, sense empathy.
And the defense that "...it's not illegal..." is the one that probably does the most damage to our moral and legal systems at large.
This kind of mentality really breaks my little heart. Knee-jerk?
Dude, you live in a police state. You don't care. Why is that?
Just because I haven't acquiesed to the idea of living in a police state doesn't make me reactionary. I'm not off to Canada - yet - but America is just not right in the head anymore.
I Want To Believe
> that or get a copy that isn't abridged with the liberal perspective.
You people make me fucking sick.
They are terrorists.
...ah, I see where I went wrong there. I forgot to subscribe to your wonderful, down-home, american-as-apple-pie, if-you're-not-with-us-you're-a-terrist mentality.
Alleged terrorists. They're innocent until proven guilty, they have a right to a lawyer, they have a...
I'll get me coat.
I don't care. I really do not. Locking up foreigners is no threat to MY liberty. I don't expect anything approaching "proper" treatment from foreign governments. when they start sending Michael and Mary from Boston or Chicago not not Achmed from Krapistanabad then i'll worry.
If I believe what I'm saying, then I'm not lying. And I believe what I'm saying, that the judges only have the power the PATRIOT act claims they do on paper and not in the real world.
you have already proven you have a problem with truth, so I should not be surprised.
No, I've proven I don't agree with you about what the truth is in this case. You have every right to disagree. You have no right to lie about my honesty while doing so, you slanderous asshole.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
I believe what I'm saying
Then you're stupid, which is worse. It is a fact that judges have the power to reject the warrants. To deny this is to lie, or to be grossly ignorant. I gave you the beneft of the doubt by saying you were lying. And despite your protestations, I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt.