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File Systems for Electronic Surveillance Devices?

An anonymous reader asks: "A friend recently discovered that her vehicle had been bugged by the police (for reasons I won't go into here). It seems the set-up had been wired into the car's electronics, so that whenever the car was going the microphones were recording the occupants' conversations. Unfortunately I didn't get to see everything she recovered, as she was a bit exuberant in her removal and disposal. However, I have been given a 20G Fujitsu notebook hard drive and some kind of audio processing chip from a manufacturer by the name of Topoint, and have been asked if I can examine the contents. You can read on to hear about my efforts so far, but I have several questions: If the surveillance device came from a vendor, what kind of file system might they use, and if - as I suspect - it is encrypted, do I have any options other than writing zeros over the drive and putting it to less controversial use?" "Not knowing what to do with the audio chip, I focused on the notebook hard drive. I got an adapter, connected it as master on my desktop and booted up. After checking the BIOS to see if the drive was recognised (it was), I was presented with a full-screen simple line diagram showing the floppy drive slot, a floppy with an arrow in front of it and across the bottom, the F keys with the F1 key depressed. Hitting F1 with or without entering a disk resulted in 'Non-system disk error...' So much for the direct approach.

Next I set the drive as slave and booted Linux (Mandrake and then a few Live CDs), but the drive contents weren't recognised due to the lack of a partition table. So, I kept it as slave and ran a few forensic and data recovery tools in Windows: DFSee and tools from Mare Software and Runtime Software. I couldn't recognize the file system or recover anything from the drive with these, so I figure it isn't formatted with any of the standard FAT, FAT32, HPFS, NTFS, JFS, EXT2/3 or REISER file systems. I've kind of reached the limit of my abilities here, but my curiosity has been stoked.

Does anyone have any suggestions or comments - useful or otherwise? To anticipate a few in advance: Yes, listening devices might well run Linux. We're not in the US and are more interested in human rights than terrorism. My friend obviously knows most of what has been recorded, but wants to figure out how long the bug was in place."

136 comments

  1. Interesting...could it be that there isn't a FS? by mc_barron · · Score: 5, Interesting
    What an interesting story! Could it be possible that the drive has no structure? Couldn't the audio data be directly written from the beginning to the end of the disk sectors without being an actual file?

    I would try grabbing the data off of the drive as an image, then "playing" the image as if it were one large audio file.

  2. Thankfully this was a non-US bug . . . by jgaynor · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Good for you man! Just be thankful you're not in the US or your attempt to reverse-engineer the audio encryption could land you in prison.

    1. Re:Thankfully this was a non-US bug . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the only thing about this situation that would land you in prison.

    2. Re:Thankfully this was a non-US bug . . . by jgaynor · · Score: 1

      *disclaimer: I realize I may be feeding a troll

      Actually - it is about circumventing copy control.

      He's looking to 'decrypt' what is probably encrypted audio or an encrypted filesystem entirely. Skylarov merely 'decrypted' ROT13 and was thrown in prison for it. Im sure the fuggin POLICE and/or their sneaky-ass surveillance contractor OEM would have no problem doing the same to someone who broke their tap's encryption and posted directions on how to do it. I dont't agree with the DMCA on this (if it's yours - you should be able to do anything you want with it), but this is a textbook example of an offense prosecutable under the DMCA.

  3. Let me get this straight: by Anonymous+Crowhead · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They bugged her car with a 20G laptop harddrive?

    I smell bullshit.

    Either way, what you are doing is a aiding and abetting. You should give it back to her after wiping your prints off it.

    1. Re:Let me get this straight: by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

      Not to mention receiving stolen goods, tampering with government computers, interfering with an investigation...

      If this cat's on the level, I forsee a nice, government-paid vacation soon...

    2. Re:Let me get this straight: by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 1

      I smell something fishy. Tsunami fishy.

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    3. Re:Let me get this straight: by fm6 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They bugged her car with a 20G laptop harddrive? I smell bullshit.
      Why? A bug has to store its recordings somewhere. Despite what you see on The Sopranos, radio links are unreliable and do not produce quality recordings. There are alternatives for storage such as Flash ROM, but none of them have any really compelling advantages. A notebook drive is small enough to conceal easily amongst all the hardware under the hood of a car. 20 GB is probably overkill, but nowadays it's hard to buy hard drives smaller than that.

      If you were designing a car bug, what would you use for storage?

    4. Re:Let me get this straight: by phUnBalanced · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you were designing a car bug, what would you use for storage?

      Something without moving parts.

    5. Re:Let me get this straight: by benjamindees · · Score: 2, Insightful

      what you are doing is a aiding and abetting.Aiding *what*? Sounds like the friend discovered a hard drive in her car and decided to keep it, which is perfectly reasonable.

      Last time I checked it still isn't a crime to disassemble your own property, despite what Lexmark says.

      Sounds like the dipshits who can't even spy on people without being discovered lost the right to their harddrive.

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    6. Re:Let me get this straight: by DustMagnet · · Score: 3, Funny
      If you were designing a car bug, what would you use for storage? Something without moving parts.

      I wish the police would put a large flash device in my car!

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    7. Re:Let me get this straight: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I smelled bullshit when I read that they "wired into the car's electronics, so [...] the microphones were recording the occupants' conversations." What car's electronics include microphones?

    8. Re:Let me get this straight: by uofitorn · · Score: 1, Insightful

      IF the submitter took advice from a helpful comment, would the poster be aiding and abetting as well?

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    9. Re:Let me get this straight: by Nykon · · Score: 1

      I read the post as it was wired into the car's electronics [for power]. I assumed the DSP, HD and mics were what was installed in the car.

      But to answer your original question "What car's electronics include microphones?"

      A: Any car with OnStar or similar mobile service.

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    10. Re:Let me get this straight: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aiding and abetting what?

    11. Re:Let me get this straight: by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      It sounds to me more like somebody lying to inflate her ego.

      But that chip is weird.

      http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:h7sCqBKO0YEJ: www.topoint.cc/eng_topoint/profile.htm+Topoint&hl= en

      Hey, they're "inglorious in plagiarizing"

    12. Re:Let me get this straight: by 4of12 · · Score: 1

      Last time I checked it still isn't a crime to disassemble your own property

      In the Land of Free and Home of Brave® it could be a crime. My limited understanding of the DMCA suggests I can't use DeCSS in my own house in the USA to look at the DVD I just bought with my own money because it would "circumvent a copyright protection device".

      [I wish they'd just concentrate on enforcement of actual instances of copyright infringment such as copying and distributing for a profit or, better, on reforming copyright legislation to make the protections of a more limited duration rather than contriving an morally-bankrupt technical solution (DMCA) to a social problem.

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    13. Re:Let me get this straight: by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      "I wish the police would put a large flash device in my car!"

      Keep looking

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    14. Re:Let me get this straight: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What car's electronics include microphones?

      Hey, dipshit - you need to brush up on your reading comprehension. Specifically, ignoring a *SPECIFIC PASSAGE THAT EXPLAINS WHAT IS GOING ON*.

      Let's take a look at what you removed from your quote:

      "whenever the car was going"

      Which means, to people with IQs above room temperature, is that it was hooked into the electronics so that it would turn on when the card was running You know, like how the radio and windshield wipers won't work unless the car is running?

    15. Re:Let me get this straight: by angst_ridden_hipster · · Score: 1

      What car's electronics include microphones?

      You'd be surprised.

      For example, the Porsche Boxster has a microphone built-in to simplify the installation of a handsfree phone kit.

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    16. Re:Let me get this straight: by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      All the world is not teh USA, ya know.

  4. Hmm by Goon+Number+1 · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Ok, so you've got a hard drive that was a part of a criminial investigation on your hands. And you are trying to get the data off it, which, while fun, sure, is interfering with said criminal investigation.

    So then you go and post on Slashdot about how best to hack the hardware you have in hand.

    I think you have bigger probems than the technical ones you are facing. Get a lawyer.

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    1. Re:Hmm by FooAtWFU · · Score: 1
      Apparently there are even bigger problems than that involved. The summary says that this isn't the US, and that there are "human rights concerns" which I would suspect go above and beyond the concerns of any one person, particularly if the police are acting to restrict those human rights.

      If that's the case, then impeding the investigation could well be the least of your worries.

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    2. Re:Hmm by monkeyserver.com · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wonder, how is that illegal? She finds this stuff in her car, it's in her personal vehicle. Does it say, "Government property - no tampering!" If not, then I would assume that if some one places something into my personal property, and leaves it there, it becomes mine. Which means I can do whatever I want with it.

      That may not be true, but it's such a gray area, how am I supposed to know what it is, or why it's there. I mean for all I know it could be part of my car, in which case I can do what I want with it.

      But yes, I'd agree that telling the world via slashdot that I want to foil the police's efforts to find a "criminal" is pretty dumb.

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    3. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I think you have bigger probems than the technical ones you are facing. Get a lawyer.

      Or better yet, dd the HD contents into a file and put it up on bittorrent.

    4. Re:Hmm by Goon+Number+1 · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree with a thing that you have said, however, in most places interfering with the police for any reason is a HUGE no no. If you are in a country where human rights are a concern, you had better tread carefully when breaking their toys.

      Aside - Toppoint appears to be a Chinese manufacturer, according what turned up on google.

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    5. Re:Hmm by ar32h · · Score: 5, Informative

      Toppoint may build custom chips / build clone chips.
      Any/all numbers on the chip would probably be more useful than the manufacturer's name.

      Also, and perhaps a red herring, could the device in question be the product found here?
      It is a GPS tracker with audio recording capability. It also happens to take 20G drives and uses a SOIC for control.
      It may be a jump, but Toppoint could have been the board builder.

    6. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      I wonder, how is that illegal? She finds this stuff in her car, it's in her personal vehicle. Does it say, "Government property - no tampering!" If not, then I would assume that if some one places something into my personal property, and leaves it there, it becomes mine.

      Except the submitter assumes it was placed by the police, so we have to trust him that he knows it's government property. Anyway, all that's mute. If this is real, it's probably likely the police don't worry too much about following the law.

    7. Re:Hmm by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Well, interfering with a wiretap is a federal crime. For example, if there is a tap on your phone, and you notice it, and you remove it, they can send you to jail. Has nothing to do with whose property you assume it is. Assume all the way to the clink.

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    8. Re:Hmm by eikonoklastes · · Score: 1

      Anyway, all that's mute.

      mute != moot

    9. Re:Hmm by hey! · · Score: 1
      Well, there's obstruction of justice, here's one choice bit:


      Title 18 U.S.C. 3. Accessory after the fact. Whoever, knowing that an offense against the United States had been committed, receives, relieves, comforts or assists the offender in order to hinder or prevent his apprehension, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.


      Furthermore, if the bug was put there with a court order, it has every legal right to be there. It is not legally speaking trespassing on the bugee's private property. Nor is it abandoned property. The fact that it was recording to a hard disk would, ipso facto demonstrate that the authorities intended to retrieve it.

      That said, I'm 99% sure the article is just another message from Kabul. The details just don't hold together..
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    10. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      link to chapter and verse of federal law or STFU, airchair facist

    11. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "i thought it was my jealous ex husband/boyfriend trying to dig up dirt on me, i had no idea it was government property"

      since you had no knowledge that it was a criminal matter you didnt knowingly aide anyone, therefore it is perfectly legal.

      and no a couple of stickers dont count to prove that it is govt property when it is a random device on YOUR vehicle, otherwise i will simply attach that to the bug i installed at xyz location.

      the law specifically states KNOWINGLY, if you didnt KNOW that a crime had been commited you cannot be an accessory after the fact.

    12. Re:Hmm by unitron · · Score: 1

      Well, now that the recording equipment has been removed it sort of is mute. :-)

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    13. Re:Hmm by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      1) Good call. I was parroting something I'd heard, and I can't find anything to back it up. Probably wrong.

      2) w.r.t. "airmchair fascist", you seem to be a bigger idiot than I am.

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    14. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about this one?
      http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html /uscod e18/usc_sec_18_00001519----000-.html

      1519. Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy

      Release date: 2004-08-06

      Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, mutilates, conceals, covers up, falsifies, or makes a false entry in any record, document, or tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation or proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States or any case filed under title 11, or in relation to or contemplation of any such matter or case, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

      Tangible object, proper administration... Book em dano!

    15. Re:Hmm by yuri+benjamin · · Score: 1

      How do you know it was a criminal investigation. The investigatee may have been a member of a political party other than the encumbant party. This happens all the time even in so-called democratic countries.

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    16. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See here for my reply to a similar lame argument.

    17. Re:Hmm by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Whoever knowingly alters, destroys, ... tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, or influence the investigation

      A competent attorney should be able to get that charge tossed, because there's no proof that it's gov't property.

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    18. Re:Hmm by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Because Bushie says so. He hates our freedom. He wants to put all of us in prison. That's why there's so many BS and secret laws now. Never underestimate the hatred he has for us.

      Who the hell is Bushie?

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    19. Re:Hmm by webhat · · Score: 1

      I know it's off topic, but cool sig

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  5. What I'd really like to know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...is how she discovered the bug? Just random digging through the car's guts one day, or was there something suspicious that tipped her off? If there's a way of spotting it, that sort of info could be useful to the rest of us. For that matter, how would you even tell this wasn't just part of the car's electronics if you weren't a mechanic?

    1. Re:What I'd really like to know... by jamesh · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      that's an interesting thought. Maybe the microphones were part of the handsfree mobile phone system she recently had installed. Maybe the disk was found floating around on the back floor and was accidently left there by her teenage son... no filesystem 'cos he'd just bought it.

      Does the car actually still work? Is your friend blonde?

    2. Re:What I'd really like to know... by orkysoft · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, newly-bought harddrives are full of zeroes (not the ASCII 48 kind, of course).

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  6. Neat, but you might want to talk to a lawyer... by CokeJunky · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sounds like a fun little project and I wish you the best of luck, but someone should point out that what you are doing may be considered as some form of interferance with the law, and at the very least you will be making some detectives at the PD very unhappy. I think I would wash my hands of it and return it to the friend... stay out of it. Or if you have good reason to get involved in it, you should probably consult a lawyer before you go any farther.

    Perhaps I should start a pool as to when /. posts the article about a person who was arrested for interfering in an investigation and tampering with police property?

    I would find it a hard choice to make myself -- just on the coolness factor, but use some common sense before you find yourself in hot water!

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    1. Re:Neat, but you might want to talk to a lawyer... by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Perhaps I should start a pool as to when /. posts the article about a person who was arrested for interfering in an investigation and tampering with police property?

      If it isn't marked, who's to know who it belongs to or who installed it? We can make educated assumptions, but unless it says "Property of XYZ Police Department", who knows? And even than, it's in your car, without your permission, what the hell do you know why it's there?

      But, I think this post is a load of shit from someone who wants to see some data on a stolen drive that has nothing to do with any "investigation", and probibly came from a stolen laptop owned by the company this person works for.

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    2. Re:Neat, but you might want to talk to a lawyer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I would wash my hands of it and return it to the friend... stay out of it.

      I would find it a hard choice to make myself -- just on the coolness factor, but use some common sense before you find yourself in hot water!

      Wear rubber gloves, dd the contents over, encrypt that except when you're playing with it, and *then* give the drive back.

    3. Re:Neat, but you might want to talk to a lawyer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the case is already trashed, they can no longer verify the integrity of the evidence since someone else accessed it.

      its over for them.

      but if he didnt know that it was a criminal activity sort of thing to begin with (ie that it was from the police to investigate, as opposed to a jealous exbf/gf) well he can now get off scott free.

  7. First, make a copy! by PaulBu · · Score: 4, Informative

    dd if=/dev/hdb of=/home/me/image

    (assuming you have free 20G on your HDD)

    Then try file /home/me/image -- if disk was
    used just to dump data, you might as well see that it is a WAV file.

    Then try strings /home/me/image|less and see if you notice anything special. If all your strings will be 4-letter random words, most probably it is encrypted and you are out of luck. Or maybe not, if they used something like XOR -- try building a hystogram of byte values distribution. If it is flat -- well, then you are screwed with a well-encrypted disk, and your best bet is to secretly ship the disk to a TLA of your country's adversary. ;-)

    Paul B.

    1. Re:First, make a copy! by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      (assuming you have free 20G on your HDD)
      If he doesn't, he should spend a few bucks on a new disk before proceeding. Working off a copy is absolutely mandatory for something like this.
    2. Re:First, make a copy! by PaulBu · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I thought about mentioning that too, but take into account that the poster is not in the US and the nearest Fry's might be a bit too far. ;-)

      Paul B.

    3. Re:First, make a copy! by fm6 · · Score: 1

      In this day and age, Fry's is as close as Slashdot. I mean, they both have web sites. I suppose expense might be an issue.

    4. Re:First, make a copy! by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 1
      If all your strings will be 4-letter random words, most probably it is encrypted
      Either that, or the device was previously used in a Mafia investigation.
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    5. Re:First, make a copy! by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      There ARE computer stores in other countries too you know...

    6. Re:First, make a copy! by BJH · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you're living in the US, you might not be aware of it, but most major US retail sites make it quite difficult for people overseas to utilise their services.
      For example, they refuse to allow the use of credit cards with a billing address outside the US, require a copy of the front and back of the card to be sent to them by snailmail, charge absolutely exorbitant shipping rates (I'm talking $US40 for non-express shipping on a $US100 item that's no bigger than a hardback book), and that sort of thing.

    7. Re:First, make a copy! by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2, Informative

      Don't forget customs brokerage and the occasional secondary shipping charge for customs to intercept, find nothing and send it on its way.

  8. "Data Recovery" by vancera · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It would be fun to send that drive to one of those data recovery outfits that do free quotes. They are the pros, they might see something you might miss.

  9. Re:Interesting...could it be that there isn't a FS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the drive does lack a file system there will most likely have been a header written at the start of each 'session' possibly with a timestamp. Have you tried looking for repeating patterns in the raw data that might delineate chunks of audio.

    Two things to try (assuming you have the drive as hdb.
    1. strings /dev/hdb
    2. cat /dev/hdb > /dev/dsp

    You never know, they may have been that lazy.

  10. Whose property is it? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If the police bug your car, do they still own the bug, or have they abandoned the property? Anyone know any precedent for that one?

    1. Re:Whose property is it? by trick-knee · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > Anyone know any precedent for that one?

      eh, any precedent would be country-specific anyway. and he ain't tellin' which country, for obvious reasons.

    2. Re:Whose property is it? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      eh, any precedent would be country-specific anyway. and he ain't tellin' which country, for obvious reasons.

      Obvious reasons? Like 'cause then it limits down his identity to one of a few million people?

      Anyway, pick a country, doesn't matter if it's his or not. I'd be interested in hearing about it, because it's a strange legal situation.

    3. Re:Whose property is it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      eh, any precedent would be country-specific anyway. and he ain't tellin' which country, for obvious reasons.

      Obvious reasons? Like 'cause then it limits down his identity to one of a few million people?

      Um, I would hope that there aren't that many countries that are targeting "a few million people". Or heck, even targeting enough people so that they and each of a dozen of their closest friends adds up to "a few million people".

    4. Re:Whose property is it? by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 1

      So he's afraid the govt is going to find out? And he thinks they're not going to find out anyway when they find either a) no hard drive or b) a wiped hard drive?

  11. A better idea by crstophr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Forget reading the data.

    Format the whole thing with fat32
    Fill the entire drive with gay porn.

    Reinstall in car.

    1. Re:A better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Format the whole thing with fat32
      Fill the entire drive with gay porn.
      Reinstall in car.


      :)

      Might I also suggest:

      Drive to donut shop.
      Find police officers chatting while on break.
      Record their conversation onto drive
      Reinstall drive into car.

      Also acceptable: Overwrite drive with crime TV shows/torrents.

    2. Re:A better idea by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Funny
      Even better, find a bunch of people on the street who you don't know. Hand them scripts and ask them to read them while you drive the car. In those scripts, they should confess to dozens of crimes that never happened. One might admit that he/she hid the body in the foundation of the Microsoft building, another that he murdered some famous person (who isn't dead... or better yet, who is, but who died naturally, ideally before the 'murderer' was born), etc.

      As the recording gets longer, make the conversations get more and more outrageous. One person tells the other that he used to be a she who, in turn, used to be a he. Another goes into a tirade about how his father beat him, so now he feels like he should beat his children... except that he doesn't have children, so he beats up random children on the playground instead. At some point, the line "I'm not your Uncle, I'm your father" appears. "But wait, that would make me your brother." "Eww.... You married your sister?"

      By the end, everybody is sleeping with everyone, family trees are intertwined in amusing ways, the priest is having an affair with the school nurse, and the horny schoolgirl talks about how she once had sex with the governor/president/whatever. It all culminates with someone deciding to off him/herself, not because he/she did anything wrong, but because he just found out that his sister had become a prostitute to raise money to help pay for his cancer treatment while he sold his cancer drugs to help pay for her AIDS treatment. Be sure to accurately simulate the sound of a gunshot through the roof of a car.

      Watch the amusement as the police A. try to find the blood stains, B. try to find the bullet hole, C. try to figure out who the heck all those people are, and D. arrest a senior government official for underage sex. If you pull it off without getting caught, it would be the prank of the century....

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  12. Investigate the audio chip first by DavidYaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Assuming the audio chip has a part number on it, try to get the datasheet from the manufacturer. See what format data it outputs, and perhaps the data on the hard drive is raw output from the audio chip. (If the audio chip's native format is 12 bit, 8k samples/sec, then that might be what's on the HD. If the audio chip supports some sort of audio compression, etc...)

    A reasonable first step would be to try to take the entire contents of the drive and send it out your sound card... (dd /dev/hdb /dev/audio or something like that (I'm not a Linux guy)). If the HD was used just to dump raw wave data to, you'll hear something (possibly squeaky voices if it's the wrong format, but you'll be able to tell there's something there). Even if there's a filesystem of some sort that you can't interpret, that would just be noise at the beginning of the playback, before it got to the real audio.

    If it really is encrypted, then you'd have to do some sort of cryptanalysis, and I have no idea how to even begin cryptanalysis on audio data. At that point, I say open the HD up and scrape the platters until they're shiny silver instead of shiny brown.

    1. Re:Investigate the audio chip first by mkavanagh2 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Be careful when opening HDDs, though; they contain sharp edges on the casing, since they're precision made to be airtight. I have a cool scar where I nearly cut my fucking knuckle off on a harddrive casing.

    2. Re:Investigate the audio chip first by FatRichard · · Score: 1

      Shiny brown? Uhhh. What kinda data do you store in "shiny brown" medium?

    3. Re:Investigate the audio chip first by Nutria · · Score: 1

      cut my fucking knuckle

      Fucking knuckle?

      --
      "I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
  13. Things to try by Requiem+Aristos · · Score: 5, Interesting

    First, if you encounter something like this in the future, don't try to boot from it. (It's always possible there could be code to detect an unauthorized machine and start deleting itself.)

    Next, as another poster suggested, use dd to get a copy of the disk. Make a few copies while you're at it, and write them to DVDs, DLTs, or some other media.

    Finally, do the processing. Here are some ideas:
    Write all zeros to the drive, then put it back in the car. Drive around for set intervals of time (100 minutes, 200 minutes, etc.) then pull the data from the drive to see how much was filled up. (Hint: it's from the start of the drive to where the long string of zeros starts.) Try it with minimal noise, try it with talking, and try it with music.

    Run 'file' or 'strings' on the image. Try catting it to your sound device. Plot the data in both 2D and 3D and look for any patterns. (Encrypted data shouldn't have any.)

    1. Re:Things to try by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Plot the data in both 2D and 3D and look for any patterns. (Encrypted data shouldn't have any.)
      Plot what vs. what (vs. what)? As for randomness, well-compressed data won't have any patterns either!
    2. Re:Things to try by ResidntGeek · · Score: 1

      data vs. position, I would think.

      --
      ResidntGeek
  14. Exact same thing happened to me. by Perdo · · Score: 3, Informative

    And unless you want to be charged as an accessory after the fact or evidence tampering, you will get far, far away from that woman, even if the sex is good.

    No, really.

    --

    If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.

    1. Re:Exact same thing happened to me. by themassiah · · Score: 3, Funny

      even if the sex is good The what?

      --
      - Sometimes you're the pidgeon, sometimes you're the statue.
  15. only how long? by jeffy124 · · Score: 1

    you only want to know how long, you say? easy. just look for the stamp or sticker that gives the date of insta ... oh, wait, you said you were outside the US? nevermind then....

    --
    The One Rule Of Chess You'll Ever Need: Don't play someone who carries a kit in their bookbag.
  16. Check for UFS... by kernelistic · · Score: 1

    Check for UFS variants (UFS, FFS, UFS2). Pico and NanoBSD are popular choices for really small single-purpose devices.

  17. Investigate the [BS] first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "Shiny brown? Uhhh. What kinda data do you store in "shiny brown" medium?"

    This story, and most of the comments.

  18. Destroy it! by bluGill · · Score: 1

    Personally I would physically destroy it. As in place it in a crucible and turn it into a sculpture of something else.

    The FBI can read disks after being erased 7 times. (Or so they have admitted. Technology has changed since then so I don't know what the current abilities are) SRM (secure rm, google it) might be able to do something, but when the police are after me I wouldn't trust it.

    Note when I say destroy it, I don't mean you do it. I mean she should do this. You don't want to be charged with anything.

    1. Re:Destroy it! by agraupe · · Score: 1
      A) How in the hell can they read zeroes? Perhaps if you *deleted* the data (i.e. on an OS level) they can read it, but I doubt that if you filled the drive with zeros they could do anything.

      B) Assuming they can, destroy it in some other way.

    2. Re:Destroy it! by Shag · · Score: 1
      There's a difference between "erased seven times" (or "written all zeros seven times") and "written with random data seven times" which would tend to make things a good bit harder to read.

      If you apply a consistent effect (say, erasing) to a magnetic disk, the patterns that were there before might still be distinguishable with the proper technology. If the effect is randomized, this becomes much harder.

      Writing random data 7 times on a 20GB drive should be a pretty easy process, and not even too time-consuming. I once tried to do it on a pair of 250GB drives... bleah.

      --
      Village idiot in some extremely smart villages.
    3. Re:Destroy it! by Zerth · · Score: 1

      When you change a bit on a hard drive, the head never passes over the same spot exactly. The edges of the physical bit can be examined and used to reconstruct the last value(s). Which is why you can't just write all 0s or 1s, you have to use several semi-random patterns.

    4. Re:Destroy it! by dJCL · · Score: 1

      Basically, it comes down to knowing how the drive stores data. The whole: "magnetically aligns modecules of the platter" thing. Then there is the read: "general magnetic field in this general area of the platter".

      When you overwrite data, it flips the majority of the molecules, but not all of them. If you read the drive at a higher resolution then the drie head uses, you can determine the sectors and also what may have been previously written due to statistical analysis of the ratios of orientations.

      I could probably figure out the math, and suspect that for each generation of data - the math gets exponentially more complex... but it's late, so I won't.

      --
      On Arrakis: early worm gets the bird. Magister mundi sum!
    5. Re:Destroy it! by M1FCJ · · Score: 1

      Duh!. 7 /dev/zero writes is nothing.

    6. Re:Destroy it! by zcat_NZ · · Score: 1

      knoppix;
      for pass in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7; do dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda; done

      It's an overnight job at least, and the CPU will run quite hot..

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      455fe10422ca29c4933f95052b792ab2
    7. Re:Destroy it! by andreyw · · Score: 1

      Simplistically: When you write a zero over a one, the value doesn't change to 0, but something like 0.1. When you write a 1 over a zero, the value doesn't change to a 1, but something like 0.9.

      Thus using special hardware, they could technically recover not only data written previously... but data written onto the disk many times before that.

    8. Re:Destroy it! by andreyw · · Score: 1

      while /bin/true; do dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda; done ...and come back after about a week. Satisfaction guaranteed! :-P

  19. Not airtight by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    they're precision made to be airtight.

    Not so. If they were airtight, they wouldn't have the little filter holes, and they wouldn't have a maximum operating altitude.

    But they do have sharp edges ...

    1. Re:Not airtight by mkavanagh2 · · Score: 1

      In that case they are precision made to be airtight apart from the little holes.

  20. Is it really audio? by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are you sure it was really used to record audio? I would think they would want to hear what people say when the car is turned off too. Just running the chip 100% of the time and only recording to disk when there is actual audio would make sense and should be a low enough power draw to avoid draining the car battery if she drives it more than once a week.

    Maybe it is some sort of location/gps recorder. The car should not move when turned off, so wiring it to the ignition/accessories circuits makes more sense and the "microphone(s)" were actually gps antennae. Plus, maybe the name on the chip is really "Topo Int" as in short for "topographic intelligence."

    I want to know more about how she discovered it. Where was it exactly and what made her decide to look in the first place?

    --
    When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    1. Re:Is it really audio? by saskboy · · Score: 1

      Assuming they don't want to get caught by /. reading police, he shouldn't say how she found it, or it would give the police another search string to google with and find this story, and then track down the people interfering with their bugging.

      --
      Saskboy's blog is good. 9 out of 10 dentists agree.
  21. Some ideas. by CyberVenom · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, considering you posted to Slashdot, I would assume that either you don't care if the authorities find out that their "bug" has been reappropriated, or perhaps you wish to blatenly rub that fact in their face? If your friend can be reasnoably certain that the bug did not capture any sensitive conversation (which I might guess is the case by her willingness to trust you with the drive rather than destrying it outright), then why not post a torrent? I'm sure plenty of amatuer and moonlight crypanalysists, file-system and audio engineers would love to check that data out. You can use "cat /dev/hdb | gzip > /image.gz" to pull the image off the drive, compress it, and dump it into a file which you could then release to the public.

    Most filesystems store data at the lowest level in a more-or-less raw format on the disk for performance reasons. (on-the-fly compression or encryption is CPU intensive) Even something like ReiserFS would have chunks of recognizable (though perhaps out-of-order) raw audio file visible on the drive. Try feeding the output to your sound card. A good way to do this would be with "SoX" (Sound eXchange, an audio conversion tool for linux... "apt-get install sox"). SoX comes with "play" a command which basically just sends data to the sound card, and for raw data allows you to specify what format (8 bit or 16 bit? 22khz or 48khz?) it should play the audio at. Also if you suspect something other than 8 or 16 bit, try bitshifting the sample a couple times so that the first sample begins on a byte boundry.

    Another useful tool is called "ent", which applies a number of entropy tests to a sample. True raw audio data should have only some entropy. Blank filesystem structure should have almost no entropy. Encrypted or very highly compressed data will appear to be almost entirely entropy. ("apt-get install ent" on Debian or Knoppix)

    You could anylise the drive in chunks to see how much is filled with medium entropy (uncompressed audio), how much is high entropy (encrypted or compressed data) and how much has almost no entropy (empty space), and using this statistic in conjunction with any info you can find on the sample rate and number of bits from the chip, calculate how much audio is stored on the drive, and thus how long it has been installed.

    I've seen that "line-drawing" before. It is probably just your BIOS telling you it can't find a boot sector on the drive. (which isn't terribly supprising) But if the people who made the device were particularily nefarious, it could be a fake splash screen which only *looks* like your BIOS, at which you must enter the secret code to proceed into the true playback application. (But that's almost too far-fetched to be a possibility. almost...) If you really wanted to eliminate that possablity, you would use hexedit (apt-get install hexedit) to look at the first sector for the magic number. it should be at the end of the sector (offset of 512k minus 4 I think), but I can't remember off the top of my head what the magic number is supposed to be for bootable i386 media. If the magic number is not there, that splash screen is just your BIOS. (Also a good way to check for stealth-boot-sector viruses. >:-} )

    Anyway, good luck, and I hope you have firm legal ground to stand on where you are. Be careful. Angry Feds are not a pleasant thing.

    1. Re:Some ideas. by unitron · · Score: 1

      I've seen that line drawing before as well. It's either an IBM machine or it's one of those Compaq computers that stored part of the BIOS on a "special" partition on the hard drive complaining about the right hard drive not being connected.

      --

      I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

  22. Lo-Jack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    LOL, she just tore out her dealer-installed Lo-Jack system. I'd hate to be her at the end of her lease term....

  23. Does your car start anymore? by Dark+Coder · · Score: 1

    You may effectively disabled a factory-installed diagnostic set that was installed in every N car by its automotive engineering team.

    When the dealer gets the flag based on your VIN, then he proceeds to replace it.

  24. Failed due process on Computing Forensic by Dark+Coder · · Score: 3, Interesting


    Never power up a suspected drive. Always treat it as a computing forensic evidence and process it accordingly.

    Boot partition checkout (try all 18 of them). If that fails, entropy is the first stage of resolution.

    Partition identification will take you a long way.

    Only google on Topoint is in mainland China,
    Check out http://www.topoint.com.cn/

  25. Stolen laptop? Gimme a break. by Tau+Zero · · Score: 1

    The kind of people who steal laptops for industrial espionage can hire top-flight expertise. They don't need to Ask Slashdot.

    --
    Time is Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once... the bitch.
  26. Derik's Boot and Nuke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DBAN even has a bootable cd to do the job, and a custom number of times.

  27. wouldn't it follow... by zogger · · Score: 1

    ...if they had gone to the trouble to bug the ride, that the crib and the phone, etc would be bugged as well?

    You might want to be looking more places than those small platters right now....

  28. Get a lawyer. by rjh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Get a lawyer.

    No, no, not later. Not in a couple of days. Close your browser window right now and go talk to a lawyer before you wind up spending five-to-ten in Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

    What are you, mental?

    Do you have any idea how few eavesdropping devices are planted each year? Do you have any idea how much legal rigamarole law-enforcement has to do to actually do a B&E and plant bugs? We already know law-enforcement cares enough about the situation to do God knows how much paperwork: do you think they'll just say "oh, good catch, you got us, don't worry, you can go free"?

    And then, to make matters worse, you post on Slashdot where you acknowledge that you know the material is evidence in an ongoing investigation and ask for help in tampering with it?

    Let me say this one more time: you are not 1337. You are not too cool for school. You are not immune to prosecution.

    At some point they're going to want that information. They're going to discover that it's been removed from the car. At that point, they know they don't need to be subtle--someone already knows they were bugging. So they're going to haul in your friend and point out just how long five years in a Federal penitentiary is, and they're going to ask her--probably her, directly, since if she's anything like you she's dumb enough not to want a lawyer present--what she did with it. If she cooperates, they'll play nice. If she doesn't, well... hey. One more conviction in the old win-loss book is always a good thing.

    And then they're going to come after you. And when they get to you, you're not going to have anyone you can rat out on. You're going to be left holding the Fuck-Me-Harder bag.

    Get a lawyer right now. Not later. Not in an hour. RIGHT. NOW.

    And grow up, while you're at it.

    1. Re:Get a lawyer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      got you are an idiot.

      what he did might qualify for a $55 and 8 seconds of probation.

      you are just a moron who thinks they know everything,

    2. Re:Get a lawyer. by robdavy · · Score: 1
      *mutter*

      "Federal penitentiary"
      THEY'RE NOT IN THE US!

    3. Re:Get a lawyer. by lachlan76 · · Score: 1
      Get a lawyer. (Score:2, Informative)

      by rjh (40933) on
      Wednesday March 16, @12:52AM (#11950927)


      Somehow I don't think "right now" is really a suitable option...
    4. Re:Get a lawyer. by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Yeah, 'cos the wholeworld is in the same time zone

    5. Re:Get a lawyer. by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      It isn't 9-5 in 2/3 of the world.

    6. Re:Get a lawyer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You assumed he was in the U.S. You failed it.

      Not all nations screw over citizens like your government.

    7. Re:Get a lawyer. by kurtras · · Score: 1
      Did you even read the post? From the post:
      We're not in the US and are more interested in human rights than terrorism.
      Yet you say:
      five years in a Federal penitentiary
      -Kurt
    8. Re:Get a lawyer. by hrieke · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, some just take you out back and put a bullet in your head just for the hell of it.

      Now let's say that the AC posting this story lives in an enlighted country, he will end up in front of a judge and jurry here before long. You don't screw around with investigations.

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    9. Re:Get a lawyer. by mqx · · Score: 1


      You're the worst type of citizen: you find something unknown and unlabelled on your property, and you assume your own lack of rights and the need to pay money to consult legal advice. What kind of society does that build?

      Honestly, you find something in your house, in/on your property, etc, and it is unlabelled, unmarked -- there's absolutely no reason to assume, or defer, to the fact that it may be official.

      What the poster should do is not tamper with it: simply take it off, and store it somewhere (preferrably, within metallic shielding). If no one claims it or asks about it within 6 months, then pull it apart and examine it.

      Why _assume_ that it belongs to law enforcement? It could be a private investigator? Someone hired by her employees? Even just a _mistake_.

      Even if you don't _assume_ that it belongs to law enforcement: why give them _the benefit of the doubt_?

      We live in a relatively free society. You shouldn't go around giving authorities the benefit of the doubt all the time.

  29. Plot the data and look for patterns, yes. by Myself · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Parent has it right. The Advanced Hex Editor (AXE) has this functionality. Lots of fun when looking at uncompressed graphic formats like icons stored in executables. :)

    Grab a few megs from the start of the disk and use sox, the sond exchange to tack audio headers onto it, and try various codec conversions, endian swaps, etc.

    There's every chance that the audio chip was interfaced to the drive very simply, as you theorized, without a filesystem. I'm aware of a product which lets you access an ATA device via RS232, it's called the StampDrive. As far as I can tell, it's a PICmicro that's been taught a basic subset of the ATA spec, and it acts as a storage broker for any device that can speak async serial.

    People who build their own dataloggers have lots of experience with this sort of dirt-cheap interfacing. Your audio bug is, after all, just a specialized datalogger. A few minutes with a search engine should find plenty of info on the subject.

    Post back with any success stories. :)

  30. Re:Interesting...could it be that there isn't a FS by asjk · · Score: 1
    I would try grabbing the data off of the drive as an image, then "playing" the image as if it were one large audio file.

    Yah, drag it to iTunes!

  31. Do /. editors understand English??? by solafide · · Score: 1
    'from the discrete-audio-data-storage dept.'. Have they looked up 'discrete'? Perhaps they are looking for 'discreet'? This flagrant and execrable cacology is offensive to the verbivorous or well-educated Slashdotters. And I see this cacography everywhere!

    Billy

  32. Re:Interesting...could it be that there isn't a FS by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    If most of the data on the drive is raw audio, that could work anyway, apart from choppiness when you get to a file information.

  33. Be careful about definitions by WyerByter · · Score: 1

    I mean, there are some people that would define Al Queda's actions as defending the human rights of the Middle East. Sinn Féin is a political party, but it has deep ties to the IRA. Not every one is what they say they are, or what they tell themselves they are.

    --

    This signiture copied from somewhere.
  34. Nobody So Far Has Asked The Right Question by Ed+Almos · · Score: 1

    OK, we've had lots of clever answers about what can be done with this hard drive but so far I haven't seen the most important question being asked. So I'll ask if for you.

    WHY WAS YOUR FRIEND BEING BUGGED?

    Getting something done like this is not easy and whoever planted the listening device in your friends car went to a load of trouble just to hear her conversations. Government authorities do not bug people just for fun, so what is it that your friend has done to make the Feds (or whoever they are) notice her?

    Ed Almos
    Budapest, Hungary

    --
    The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. - Tacitus, 56-120 A.D.
    1. Re:Nobody So Far Has Asked The Right Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur. I am very eager to find out why she thinks the police planted a bug in her car. AFAIK, the regular police can not even do enough paperwork to make something like this happen. Besides, how would they plant it? Did they dress up as burglars and pick the locks on her car (haha! yea, a cop picking a lock) then wire it into the cars electrical? Sounds pretty improbable. Mabye they just snuck it in at the last tune-up? "Oh excuse me, Mr. Mechanic, im a cop and im going to install this little black box in that car, but dont tell ok?"; "om, ok"

      Perhaps your friend is paranoid and should lay off the weed and conspiricy movies? Mabye this is why the onstar button doesn't work anymore?

      Also one more burning question, where was it installed? I used to do mobile-audio installs, and I can't think of a place, in any vehicle, where you could effectivly "hide" something and still have it in a location where a mic could pick up conversations. (especially with the car running)

    2. Re:Nobody So Far Has Asked The Right Question by webhat · · Score: 1


      Why would they pick the lock, afaik cops have a jimmy in their cop cars. They just pop the lock like that. Otherwise there is also a device which you insert into the lock which pops the lock in seconds...

      --
      'I am become Shiva, destroyer of worlds'
  35. HE'S NOT IN THE US by solomonrex · · Score: 1

    So don't say 'Federal'- we don't know if that applies. Don't tell them to get a lawyer- it may not matter. Either post relevant info or slink off with a slightly queasy feeling in your stomach.

    I hope they're innocent in whatever they are doing, but I'd rather not see a real criminal get helped here. But I can't stop anyone, either.

  36. Nonsense by marat · · Score: 1

    It's HIM (well, her) who owns copyright on data recorded there.

  37. IBM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go figure...

  38. Shred by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 1, Informative

    A) How in the hell can they read zeroes? Perhaps if you *deleted* the data (i.e. on an OS level) they can read it, but I doubt that if you filled the drive with zeros they could do anything.

    In short, there are no "ones" or "zeroes" on your hard drive, but only certain signals that represent them. Somewhat oversimplifying, when you write 1 over 1, the value is slightly larger than 1 written over 0.

    It doesn't matter for the hard drive as long as both are well over certain threshold and will never get confused with 0. But when you subtract a perfect 1 from all of the "ones" on the hard drive (and leave the "zeroes" alone), then you will get a weak signal which is a shadow of the previous data. Amplify it and you have more or less the same signal that was there before the overwriting.

    You can do it once more and get the data before that, and repeat it until you hit the limitation of your equipment sensitivity and the noise of the signal itself, but recovering few generations of data is usually possible, and recovering the previous data is trivial, especially when you deleted it with zeroes, so you don't even have to bother with removing the 1s.

    That is why I always run:

    shred -vz /dev/hda

    before I stop using any hard drive.

    B) Assuming they can, destroy it in some other way.

    From info shred:

    The best way to remove something irretrievably is to destroy the media it's on with acid, melt it down, or the like. For cheap removable media like floppy disks, this is the preferred method. However, hard drives are expensive and hard to melt, so the `shred' utility tries to achieve a similar effect non-destructively. This uses many overwrite passes, with the data patterns chosen to maximize the damage they do to the old data. [...]

    Shred is available in GNU fileutils.

    See also Secure Deletion of Data from Magnetic and Solid-State Memory paper by Peter Gutmann, first published in the Sixth USENIX Security Symposium Proceedings, San Jose, California, July 22-25, 1996.

    Abstract: With the use of increasingly sophisticated encryption systems, an attacker wishing to gain access to sensitive data is forced to look elsewhere for information. One avenue of attack is the recovery of supposedly erased data from magnetic media or random-access memory. This paper covers some of the methods available to recover erased data and presents schemes to make this recovery significantly more difficult. [emphasis added]

    Introduction: [...] In the 1980's some work was done on the recovery of erased data from magnetic media, but to date the main source of information is government standards covering the destruction of data. There are two main problems with these official guidelines for sanitizing media. The first is that they are often somewhat old and may predate newer techniques for both recording data on the media and for recovering the recorded data. For example most of the current guidelines on sanitizing magnetic media predate the early-90's jump in recording densities, the adoption of sophisticated channel coding techniques such as PRML, the use of magnetic force microscopy for the analysis of magnetic media, and recent studies of certain properties of magnetic media recording such as the behaviour of erase bands. The second problem with official data destruction standards is that the information in them may be partially inaccurate in an attempt to fool opposing intelligence agencies (which is probably why a great many guidelines on sanitizing media are classified). By deliberately under-stating the requirements for media sanitization in publicly-available guides, intelligence agencies can preser

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    Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
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  39. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for a great post, I think I'll start using shred now. Thanks!

  40. Why is everyone assuming it's the cops? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it is just as likely that the guy's friend is being illegally spied on by a private investigator or an individual. If this was police property and the bug was legal and there was a warrant then I think they would have heard from the cops already.

  41. Play the contents of the disk as raw data... by dpbsmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    using plausible guesses for data rate and integer width.

    The ear and brain are very good at hearing patterns and extracting information.

    In the days of analog "scrambling" it turned out that it was extremely difficult to scramble speech in such a way as to make it unrecognizable; all sorts of plausible-sounding signal transformations could be interpreted by ear with practice.

    It's worth a try. At the beginning, don't spend a lot of time trying to figure out whether you're decoding it properly. Just do _something_ that will get data off the disk and into a speaker _quickly_ and listen to samples.

  42. might not work... by kris_lang · · Score: 1

    yes... except for the fact that the poster actually states that the recording device was taken apart inexpertly. So I don't think it's possible to reinsert the drive and get an operational configuration.

  43. How is this tampering and stealing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He/She found a hard drive in a car. How can the police prove that he/she knew that it was police/government property? Does it have "property of the police" stamped on it? Also, how is the device "stolen"? It was found in the person's car. They didn't steal it from some house, or from someone else's car. If I find an item in my car, am I stealing it if I remove it? What am I supposed to do, leave it there? I would say that whoever installed the device in the car is the person doing the stealing, because it uses the car's power to operate, and thus uses gasoline that the car's owner paid for.

  44. i don't feel like making an account for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but if you're in this sort of situation in the us, and are being targetted as a political activist, you probably want to talk to the national lawyer's guild. www.nlg.org.

  45. Not in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Everyone seems to forget she's not in the US - you all talk about federal prisons.

    If she's in the EU, she should consider Art. 8 European Convention on Human Rights.

    Article 8 - Right to respect for private and family life

    1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.

    2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.

    If she's in the UK, there's RIPA 2000 and he's fucked.

    1. Re:Not in the US by alexmeaden · · Score: 1

      The UK is within the EU. Thus, the EU Human Rights convention also applies.

  46. They are not in the US by lorcha · · Score: 1
    But he hinted that they are in China. By my watch, midnight-ish EST is early afternoon in China. Certainly before 5.

    Or did you think that the entire world was on EST?

    --
    "Avoid employing unlucky people - throw half of the pile of CVs in the bin without reading them." -- David Brent
    1. Re:They are not in the US by lachlan76 · · Score: 1

      I'm in Australian CST...I was reading that outside of 9-5...the timezones aren't that far apart.