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WinOS+QEMU+Knoppix 3.8 = WinKnoppix!

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the oh-klaus-you-hypnotize-me dept.

chronicon writes "As reported earlier Knoppix 3.8 was presented and CD's distributed at CeBIT recently. For those of us who were not able to attend, some kind folks have posted a torrent for all to enjoy. Now, here's where it really gets interesting. Using QEMU (processor emulator) chris-uk has posted a modified version of Knoppix 3.8 that will run under Windows if auto-played, or if you wish, you can boot the CD for normal Knoppix. You can find the torrent here."

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  1. So in otherwords. . . by episodic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Knoppix continues to be all that and a bag of chips :)

  2. Captain she can't take anymore by ejaw5 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Quick! Someone boot the server with a Knoppix CD!

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  3. Time to try Linux (again) by fohat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've recently been looking into running Linux on my primary desktop to record music with. I could never get the Knoppix live CD to run correctly on my Gateway X700 system. I'll have to try this version and see if I can get anything to work.

    Linux has been a frustration of mine for the past 4 years. I know a smattering of Unix commands and even armed with that I still can't ever seem to get a program downloaded and working like I can with windows. I'm looking forward to trying it again before I make the move to DeMudi.

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    1. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Please try a few flavours of Linux. At least try Ubuntu's Live CD (GNOME based) as well as Knoppix (KDE based). To really love Linux you've gotta find the distribution that is "right for you".

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    2. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by rco3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's not true. Ardour may not be DP4, but it certainly is acceptable for certain recording situations. Less-than-optimal, yes. Certainly. Less-than-user-friendly, yeah. Undoubtedly. And, as you said, it is showing a lot of promise. But utterly unacceptable? No. I've used it and a whole slew of LADSPA plugins to do some nice remixes of material I recorded for a personal album about 10 years ago. Sounds fine, works well enough. I gotta tell you, it's amazing how many tracks and plugins you can get operating on an Athlon 64 without even approaching cpu overload. And for me, in my situation, Ardour is much more useful than GarageBand, even if GarageBand is easier to use.

      I'm not disagreeing with your basic premise that Linux music production has a long way to go. I'm simply disagreeing with your statement that all Linux audio software is utterly unacceptable for any type of music recording, and I base that on my experience. YMMV.

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    3. Re:Time to try Linux (again) by Quino · · Score: 2, Interesting

      check out

      http://www.dynebolic.org/

      it's a linux live cd that comes with audacity and other tools for multimedia editing/broadcasting etc.

      Unless your hardware is exotic, you should just be able to boot and use the software you're interested in.

      Be warned that it comes with a more lightweight desktop, but it's probably the easiest way to try out audacity yourself, IMHO.

  4. what about coLinux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the reports I've seen, qemu is VERY slow. Is there an advantage to qemu over coLinux? I've been using coLinux to give me Linux under Windows for about a year now, and there is a lot to be said for native execution speed. You also get networking, and recently easy access of the native Windows filesystems without employing samba-type file sharing.

    Of course, it's difficult to deny the power of running a gameboy emulator on a GBA emulator on a Linux emulator on a Windows emulator on your Mac...

    1. Re:what about coLinux? by cduffy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From the reports I've seen, qemu is VERY slow. Is there an advantage to qemu over coLinux?

      Sure, even when you restrict it to the presently relevant set of cases (x86/Linux inside x86/Win32): coLinux has no (non-experimental) framebuffer support; the experimental version that does exist has its performance measured in seconds per frame. The only way to run X is by having an X server on your Windows box, and you can't run Qt/E or GtkFB or such at all. If you want to do embedded systems development, this can be a substantial issue.

      If you don't restrict yourself to that subset of cases, then QEMU wins on account of having support for far more than just a custom build of the Linux kernel. (Want to play with FreeDOS? Test your new build of of GRUB? Run through the SLES9 installer? The first two of these simply aren't possible in coLinux, and the 3rd one requires a lot of work to make it happen).

      Also, COFS is so experimental/unstable I'm not sure I'd claim it as a feature yet.

  5. Re:Great, But... by peculiarmethod · · Score: 2, Interesting

    but the wireless communications that carry the code for this software will propigate into space forever.. your puny mountain will only last until our Sun runs out of hydrogen and helium.

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  6. Don't like it? by neypo · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Don't use it.

    This CD wasen't setup just to see how many people he could piss off.

    This in my opinion will be great to friends who still are incapable of going to the BIOS and changing it to boot from the CD-ROM.

  7. Re:beowulf by vonsneerderhooten · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cluster Knoppix has been around for a while, i think i have some releases dating 2001-2002, and i noticed that the torrent tracker the poster linked to hosts the .torrent for the current release of Cnoppix. 12-04 IIRC.
    A side note: being that the poster was smart enough to link to a torrent tracker in the story, I'm interested to see just how big this torrent will get, as i speak, the tracker lists over 800 hosts, 200+ seeds and over 600 leechers. The largest torrent i've ever seen was on bt.etree.org with something like 400 seeds and 700 or so leechers. That was last year. Any other /.ers able to recall some larger torrents?

  8. This allows dual-use of both Windows and KNOPPIX by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 2, Interesting

    without the need to reboot. Run them side by side and compare the features.

    It is, after all, emulation, so don't expect to break speed records with it. Also that IP connection limitation in XP won't be broken by running KNOPPIX in an emulator.

    Now KNOPPIX can join the ranks of MacOS 8.1 (BasiliskII), AmigaOS 3.1 (Amiga Forever), as yet another OS emulated under Windows.

    The advantage I see for this is that web developers will finally be able to check how their web pages look under different browsers and operating systems without having to reboot Windows each time they want to look how it looks under Linux.

    The next step is to make KNOPPIX run AntiVirus, AntiSpyware, AntiAdware, and AntiTrojan removal programs and make any FAT32, FAT16, or NTFS partition as read/write so the Malware can be removed. Yet what is the point when you can run the KNOPPIX HD Install script and get rid of Windows and all of its flaws that allow Malware to be installed in the first place.

    P.S. I am moving to KANOTIX now, it seems to be a bit better than KNOPPIX.

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  9. www.knoppix.net by deutschemonte · · Score: 2, Interesting

    knoppix.net is really slow and the forum is /.'ed, people must be storming that site with this news out.

    Is this this the first time a site has been /.'ed but not posted on slashdot? I mean, no direct link, everyone just goes there themselves.

    I christen it, the slashdot halo effect.

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  10. Knoppix on Windows by jhoger · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Following the QEMU list, this was done some time back by a Japanese developer Kuniyasu Suzaki I believe.

    Discussions ensued about how to make it faster... some patches are available to directly mount the compressed Knoppix volume so that portion doesn't need to be emulated. Also, the SaveVM feature was improved, so rather than boot knoppix, just keep a compressed VM ram image on the Knoppix CD. That makes it boot instantaneously.

    QEMU is the fastest thing going as far as Free emulators, given more improvements on the virtualization side, I think this will be *the* way to run Knoppix for Windows users that just want to try it out. The speed will come in time.

    Some of us pushed for features like User Mode Networking in QEMU just for this purpose. Windows users in larger corporations often do not have administrator level rights, so they can't install any special drivers. So Knoppix under QEMU can get right to the net on any Windows box that will run a .EXE from CD.

    -- John.

  11. Getting close... by smug_lisp_weenie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now all they need to do is add the following ability to make it perfect:

    1. Allow people to apt-get packages while the CD is running. Then...
    2. Import user files from Win into a Knoppix-side directory. Finally...
    3. (this is the important one) Press a button and presto! The system builds an ISO of original winknoppix+packages+userfiles that is a no-fuss super-customized knoppix CD!

    If they could make that... then a seamless transition to Linux goodness would finally be within reach for everyone!

  12. Very handy to have. by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have used DSL (Damn Small Linux) before and been able to use it on some users machine to log in to the server quickly with my SSH keys all setup on the key. When I am done, I kill it. I love this because I can use it on any machine I have and be able to test scripts and such on my machine without risking any of the stuff on the local machine. Will it run slow? Yeah, but if you have a ton of RAM and speedy processor(preferably 1 GHz or faster) it should run just fine.

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  13. sounds useful, actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    My college has no dedicated linux computers, but has spent an obscene amount of money on Dells with WinXP. This makes the linux class I'm in a little more annoying than it needs to be. The best part is that there's a problem with the Dell's bios, so that every version of linux I've tried on them runs at 640x480 (no amount of screwing with xf86 settings helped). With the Knoppix on Windows, there's a chance I'll be able to run linux there at a reasonable resolution.

    Also could useful if you need to access the internet in linux, but have a wireless or winmodem card not supported in linux. Or at least I hope that's the case.

  14. Does it work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I just tested the disk on two different systems running a fully patched XP SP2, I get an error 3 lines in to the boot up sequence and it craps out.

  15. Re:Great, But... by MP3Chuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, if I want to test my website Linux browsers (Konqueror comes to mind), this would be a lot nicer than rebooting. Or having another box around. Especially if all I need to do is test a browser.

    But even above and beyond that, it's nice to know that I have access to a Linux environment without having to do anything but pop in a CD.

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    Who doesn't like free music?
  16. Re:VMWare by Oriumpor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who's joking? I haven't seen a faster way to get a working test virtualization setup than mounting a Bootable OS ISO (eg: knoppix/slax).

  17. A quicker way to run QEMU+and your iso on Win by marko123 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I did this on XP:
    Downloaded and ran win version of qemu
    Create an image file bigger than your iso using qemu
    Point to your ISO
    Run! (Knoppix took about 8 mins on old PIII laptop)

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  18. Re:Yes, but... by pilardi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > Can it run WINE?

    Yes, it can.

    I tried the simplest application I could think of: Putty. And it worked. I ran Putty within Wine within X-windows within Knoppix within QEMU within WinXP. I wonder how much further I could take it...

    By the way, I am posting this message within Konqueror within X-windows within Knoppix within QEMU within WinXP.

    - pi

  19. Re:OP has a torrent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I was downloading from work and I left it on over night..

    check these stats

    saving: KNOPPIX_V3.8-2005-02-28-CeBIT_Edition-qemu-0.6.1-2 .iso (699.1 MB)
    percent done: 100
    time left: Download Succeeded!
    download to: /home/gunit/bittorrent/KNOPPIX_V3.8-2005-02-28-CeB IT_Edition-qemu-0.6.1-2.iso
    upload rate: 1,138.85 kB/s
    download total: 699.0 MiB
    upload total: 36,001.3 MiB

    Yeah, thats right.. uploaded 36,000 MB in about 8 hours at 1MB/s.