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Apple Developing Two-Button Mouse

An anonymous reader writes "Always the innovator, Apple is rumored to be developing a two-button mouse! Personally, I don't think it will catch on. Two buttons will be way too confusing for your average user." A few users noted a related Slashdot story from awhile back that discusses why Apple has historically avoided the two-button mouse. The article also mentions a revision to the AirPort Base Station with built-in optical audio.

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  1. Re:Pan wheel... by mysticwhiskey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Y'know what's really funny is that OS-X supports poly-button mice with wheel-scrolling ability, yet Apple don't (as yet) sell such a mouse. This has been good for those 3rd party vendors who produce asthetically-pleasing multi-button mice. Please, no flames about Control-Click, I'm a Mac user, yet respect the right-click.

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  2. Re:Meh by lcfactor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    PC or no apple has long supported two button mice which is fine for me (as that's all one would ever want to use...) in fact my mac also has 5 buttons, two of which are hooked into the expose features and one I use in a more traditional (X) oriented fashion...

    The issue is really with powerbooks which only support one button on the case trackpad- a major pain - will apple release a two button config with the new PB's as well? I hope so.

    As as side note, I use (as do many others) a program called sidetrack, ( http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/sidetrack/ ) which allows you to place regions on the track pad to support up to an additional 4 buttons, and v/h scrolling on the edges of the pad. It works well- but takes a lot of getting used to (to avoid accidentally hitting the buttons) IMHO but it's better than nothing- however howabout a mod for the PB itself to have it on the HW, along with the two button mouse.

    I wonder how Job's will keynote this. Not a guy who likes to say 'I was wrong'

  3. Re:Predictable timing... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Jef Raskin said that he considered the 1-button mouse to be a mistake, although he qualified this by stating that the buttons should have been labelled.

    Anyone who has used either a touchscreen or laptop trackpad would probably agree that UIs should be designed to work with a single mouse button.

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  4. Two button mice are so yesterday. by jmichaelg · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I have a friend who went to college in 1946. She's the anti-thesis of a power user but the other day she said her two button mouse was too restrictive - she wanted one with a wheel like the one at where she works. (Yep, she still works.)

    I told her that the newest wheel mice have tilting wheels. When she understood it makes horizontal scrolling easier, her face lit up and she said "Ooooh...that sounds wonderful! Tell my grandson Mother's day is coming!"

  5. Zero button mouse. by gelfling · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I fail to see why one can't have a zero button mouse that simply executes the appropriate action after a predefined delay. After all, many of us have happily lived with X windows auto focus to foreground for years with no obvious detriment.

  6. Re:Pan wheel... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As I mentioned in another post, Microsoft ripped off Apple (again) by mapping all the standard Mac Cmd keyboard shortcuts to Ctrl, back before the Windows key existed, and then by pushing the Windows key when the utility of an extra "symbol" key became apparent. So the keyboard shortcuts that Windows users think of as Ctrl options, Mac users think of as Cmd options, and always have; why should Apple change this to conform to Microsoft's paradigm?

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  7. less use for the two button mouse by harlemjoe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    After switching to OS X a few months ago, I've discovered that I no longer miss the right mouse button!

    One excellent reason is the terminal
    Another is the fact that control click, command click and option click all do the same things in pretty much every program (I can't say what exactly, it's that intuitive)

    All I know is that when I want a new tab in firefox instead of a new window, I always make the right kind of click

    nevertheless, I like multibutton mice, and now that I see this discussion on slashdot, I'm going to go get me a USB wireless mouse with a scroll wheel. I've forgotten how nice those were...

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  8. Re:current Apple mouse is great for kids by javaxman · · Score: 4, Interesting
    We have an eMac at home and two of my three kids are preschoolers. They have a very easy time using the zero (what I mean is that the entire mouse is one big button) button mouse from Apple. It is not too big too. At the library they have these two button plus scroll wheel Microsoft ergonomic mice connected to the computers for the kids. First of all those mice are way too big and there is this big hump at the base of the mouse that makes it very difficult for my kids to use. Since they have to hold the mouse near the top, very often the mouse will turn to the side and then the motion is all wrong relative to what they expect the cursor to do on the screen. The fact that the scroll wheel is in the way and that there are two buttons also causes confusion. What happens is that they end-up just clicking repeatedly until they finally click on the left mouse button and if they click on the scroll wheel their hand rolls off.

    THANK YOU !

    This is my experience as well. My home iMac mouse died ( crimped a cable ) and I ran with a spare three-button mouse for a while- not a MS mouse, but a very vanilla, small, fairly standard one. It totally pissed off my then-two-year-old son. And yes, he at completely mastered use of the mouse before he turned two- he could hit the exact square he wanted on a color chooser panel with squares smaller than 1/8". By age two. But it turns out he would have found learning to use the computer much more difficult with the three-button scroll wheel mouse so popular among power users.

    I suspect most folks who don't like 'no'-button mouse are just used to what they're used to- it's actually a great design, fits well in a wide range of hand sizes, tracks movement very precisely, has and adjustable click response, and is blindingly easy to use.

    The three-button scrollwheel mouse is great for power users, but have you ever watched a novice to average computer user work? They never use those extra features. A small percentage of normal users eventually figure out when they can use the scroll wheel, which, be honest, is not always obvious, but even then they frequently won't use it when they could. The right-click? Unless your application ( or OS ) absolutely requires that you use it, it's not used. I'm not saying you don't use it, and maybe you find it productivity-enhancing, but you know what's more productivity-enhancing? Learning ( and having ) keyboard shortcuts so you don't have to take your hands off the keyboard.

    I can not believe the attitude people have about mice- a multi-button mouse is not the ideal choice for everyone, probably not even for the majority of computer users. Apple for a long time has targeted the more casual user, and for them I think the single-button mouse makes a lot of sense.

    Of course, with all things, I prefer companies to offer their customers options, and I hope you'll be able to order whichever type of mouse you want from Apple in the future. Of course, there's always the possiblity that they'll do what they've done with the Mac mini, and stop shipping you all these standard parts with every machine anyway, under the assumption that you either already have them or will want to order exactly the ones you want ( based on what some companies are selling I'm still unconvinced that's a good assumption ). I personally use a trackpad with extra buttons and a scrolling area ( on a contour keyboard ) at work... but at home, I've yet to find the one-button mouse a burden. It's far from the big deal people seem to want to make it.

  9. Re:one button mouse does make sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    >>What the /. crowd seems to miss is that the mac is made for simplicity for the average joe who never used a computer.

    >That doesn't explain why Apple's $3000 multiprocessor workstations come with a 1 button mouse.

    It absolutely does. Look at some of their promotional stuff about who's using their computers: it's people who are good at what they do, but not experienced computer geeks. Doctors, lawyers, photographers, musicians, small business owners. People who don't care about computers -- people who care about getting their stuff done.

    Apple is all about making difficult things simple. Look at video editing before Final Cut, for example. Just because you want to do something that requires lots of gigahertz, doesn't mean you need to be a l33t computer geek -- they've gone to great lengths to make even formerly-complex things as simple as possible (like video editing, which is arguably one of the most potentially complex things you can do on a computer today).

    Note that they don't even call the PowerMac G5 a "workstation" -- they call it a "personal computer". It's built for people who want to use an Apple, but need a faster system, or a bigger screen (or two). Just because you have 2 CPUs so you can work faster shouldn't (and doesn't) mean you should be presented with an interface that's any more complex.

    In fact, if their faster systems came with different mice, they'd be sending the implicit message that "if you want more power, you need a more complex interface". And Apple's goal seems to be to smash that myth to smithereens.