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Microsoft Lifts Curtain on Indigo Software

daria42 writes "Microsoft has released an early version of Indigo on the Microsoft Developer Network. Indigo is a new communications system intended to let Windows programs more easily connect to other software. Indigo was one of the three original "pillars" of Longhorn, however under the new plan it will be re-tooled to work with Windows XP and Windows Server 2003, in addition to Longhorn."

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  1. Codenamed what? by CapnGrunge · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That was an old SGI workstation IIRC
    (You may google for it, if you please)

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  2. Anything useful in Longhorn? by ajiva · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it me or nothing MS is pitching in Longhorn sounds that exciting? A new version of COM+, wow how exciting!

    For ONCE, I want a newer version of Windows to be faster and smaller than the previous version and more stable as well.

  3. Let's hear it for the Marketing Department! by LoaTao · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "By making Avalon and Indigo work on older machines, Microsoft hopes more developers will want to write software that takes advantage of the new technologies" I guess .Net isn't selling fast enough.

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  4. Like they say... by Sheetrock · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "First they laugh at you, then they ignore you, then they fight you, then you win."

    This, Avalon, and WinFS are all jokeworthy now, but at least one of these if not all of them will see decent implementation in GNU/Linux three to five years after they're being used in Longhorn, at which point Microsoft will have the replacement ready for release.

    It might even have a better interface than Apple, spawning a whole new series of Longhorn themes for X-Windows.

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    1. Re:Like they say... by natrius · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you're going to talk about WinFS/Google Desktop/Spotlight analogues, at least refer to something that actually seems to be developed actively. Beagle is actually usable already, and from the beginning, provided both a method for programmers to provide their own filters for file types, as well as a way to access search results from another application, unlike the offerings in the Windows world.

      On an offtopic note, Microsoft is screwed if developers start using the Google Desktop API. All it takes is one killer application to depend on it before Microsoft supplies a comparable API. Then Google will have control of the desktop search market, because people will depend on it for the functionality of other programs. It'll be fun to see how that turns out.

      On the Linux front, things are a bit more complicated. Beagle's nice and all, but it depends on Mono, which many people are reluctant to depend on. I haven't heard of anyone planning to integrate Beagle's searching into Gnome programs. Sometime soon, people are going to have to come to a final decision on Mono. When a stable version of Beagle is released, users and developers alike are going to want to use it.</OT>

  5. In they go! by Nikkodemus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Indigo is a new communications system intended to let Worms and Script Kiddies more easily connect to other software.

    Indego, in they go!

  6. Re:Wouldn't this by Owndapan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, it uses Web Services, and standardised security (WS-Security).

  7. Re:XP - Longhorn by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful
    After Microsoft back ports everything from Longhorn to XP, will the $499 upgrade from XP to Longhorn be like 95 to 98? Just some bug fixes and a free browser?

    For a great many users, that "$499 Upgrade" will ship installed on their new $500 Dell.

  8. Re:XP - Longhorn by The-Bus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Honestly, the same case could be made for 98 to 98 SE, 9x to ME, and 2000 to XP Pro.

    95 finally brought a modern gee-whiz interface to Windows, 2000 brought stability* to Windows. Hopefully Longhorn will be a good upgrade, I still don't see the benefits of XP over 2000 as a lowly end-user. That and my 2000 box is still runnning (mind you over a non-clean install) and my XP box is barely alive a year later, XP2 and all.

    * As defined in the Microsoft Internet Dictionary: stability. n.. Not TOO unstable.

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  9. Re:XP - Longhorn by dioscaido · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Aero will definitely be the most immediate reason for consumers to upgrade, since it will give the windows UI some 'pizzazz'. The underlying kernel is completely revamped, but unfortunately that's something that the desktop user won't notice (except for, one hopes, increased stability, etc...). Visually, the upgrade from 98 to 2000 wasn't very convincing, while the underlying kernel outclassed 98 in every respect.

  10. Re:Windows Insecurity By Design: The Beat Goes On by dioscaido · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Admit it... you don't know much about windows, do you? Log into windows XP SP2 (or for bonus points Windows 2003) as a Limited user account (read: Not Administrator), and write me a program that can modify low-level features of the machine, or any system configuration for that matter (outside the config specific for your user). You can't. Windows has robust Access Control system (more granular than many standard linux distros that depend on unix filesystem perms for security [yes i know patched kernels exist with ACLs, which is great]).

    It's just a pity that the managers for XP chose to have everyone run as Administrator so as not to confuse grandma. Thankfully, Longhorn will, out of the box, make your desktop account non-admin.

  11. Putting ALL MS Faberge eggs in ONE basket by Dark+Coder · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Microsoft will be commiting a classical software engineering management risk-reduction mistake.
    Indigo will replace the five different programming methods that Microsoft has today for sending messages between two programs in a distributed system, said Ari Bixhorn, the lead product manager for Web services strategy at Microsoft. The software will use a number of the more recent Web services protocols, including WS-Security and WS-Reliable Messaging, he said.

    Never plan around one technology, or in this case, one programming methods for distributed communication.

    As we all saw the slow crumbling and demise of each Microsoft protocols falling to disuse due to the wrath of Virus-writers, trojan-puller, malware-pharming.

    To roll out a new technology and then place all your products' planning around this untested-in-the-wild technology, has been proven to be exceedingly risky.

    I wish them the best of luck.

  12. Re:Certainly not -- they're scrapping the Win32 AP by pebs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Everything in Longhorn will be based on the .NET framework and sandboxed, with the Win32 API scrapped.

    You're a damn fool if you believe that. Or at least, if you believe that and that Longhorn will be released this decade.

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  13. Cassandra's history of Indigo by blackhedd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This started out as practically a greenfield project within MS with a brand new team at least five years ago. It's being done by incredibly competent people, and they have done a huge amount of work on interoperability issues- that whole raft of WS standards represents solutions to a whole range of issues that no else is really confronting. And I'm not saying they've solved them in an ideal way but as long as no one else puts anything out there that is less proprietary, they will jump out in front here. Remember how they eventually "got" the Internet?
    Those of us who love F/OSS and Linux need to be less dismissive and more frightened.
    MS is fragmented and balkanized internally but there are pockets of real capability. Web Services have not achieved anywhere near the level of adoption they could/should have by now (to all you trolls: the few dozen desultory SOAP projects at your company prove my point, not disprove it). And that's because of lack of "security," which boils down to lack of widely supported standards. We gotta be more proactive about this, and not make the same mistakes we are making in regard to Avalon.

  14. Re:XP - Longhorn by millennial · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The point is that though the 'pillars' will work under XP, the new OS will be DESIGNED for them. They will work MUCH better under Longhorn, with better hardware support/acceleration and so on. Plus, Microsoft is very interested in the concept of 'trusted computing', and putting DRM into the hardware of your next computer.

    Of course, the whole 'pillars working better under Longhorn' thing is what MS wants us to think, but we obviously won't know until they FINALLY come out with it... whenever that is.

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  15. Re:Certainly not -- they're scrapping the Win32 AP by mingot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If a company uses DRM to place unacceptable restrictions on what I purchase I'll simply not buy it. It's really that simple. And I'm sure a lot of other people will do the same. All the DRM will do is stop people from using it in a way which the companies don't "like". Which is fine by me as the choice to buy or not to buy is always going to be mine to make.