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Telco Spams and Gets Huge Fine

jack_call writes "According to The Register the large German based mobilephone operator 'Debitel' was fined $359000 for (deliberately!) sending a total 48000 spam messages( mail: 36000, sms: 12000) to Danish costumers of rival company 'Telmore'. According to different Danish media outlets, they appealed immediately, mostly because the fine comes out at about a sixth of what 'Debitel' made last fiscal year after taxes."

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  1. not cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    $7.47 per spam - faark.

    perhaps other buisnesses will think first

  2. In India too by nbharatvarma · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I live in India and I am constantly bogged by sms' asking me if I was interested in winning gold, buying a car etc. What's worse ?? Sometimes, we get automated calls asking if we are interested in some offers.

    If I want to know about some offer, I will ask. Thank you.

    Was thinking of writing to a newspaper, but that idea got lost somewhere in a mire of laziness

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    1. Re:In India too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      you know how to make them stop?

      demand for them to tell you were they got your infomation from that will shut them the fuck up.

  3. What about the spam, by scenestar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That they keep sending to their own customers?

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  4. Re:Telesales by R.Caley · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Not a single day goes by when I'm not phoned up by some mechanical phonedialer/call centre and asked if I'd like to buy double glazing/dial a premium line/order jam. Arrrgh!!

    You seem to be in the UK, so... Are you registered with the TPS? If not do so. It only cuts out the semi-legitimate ones, but that is a supprisingly proportion, got me doen from one every day or so to one every week.

    Then make sure you have caller ID and don't answer calls from hidden numbers (unless you work at home and use that line for work, in which case you have to take your chances in working hours. Sigh!). Your friends shouldn't be hiding their identity from you, so this filters out almost all of the rest of the telesales and `surveys'.

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  5. Ethics relating to SMS Spamming by caveman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    On my way to London the other day, I was sitting in the 'Quiet Zone' car of the train. There are notices on every window asking people not to use Mobile Phones.

    This moron gets on at a station, and quite obviously reads, and decides to ignore the notices, and makes about a dozen calls to people which I didn't want to listen to. However, it became quite obvious that this person was engaged in a mobile/SMS/MMS marketing campaign, and various other things he said suggested 'spammer'.

    Of course, rule #3 states that spammers are stupid, and this one was no exception. He rattled off at great length a list of sites, usernames, and passwords for various SMS distribution services.

    I pulled out my newspaper and pretended to do the crossword, writing down every group of site, username, and passwords. I have not done anything with them yet, but I'm sorely tempted. However, as my handsets are all registered with the TPS (the UK equivalent of the FTC do-not-call lists), I'll wait for a marketing SMS to be crapped into my phone before being tempted further.

    If you are 'evileye' (what a stupid username), you might be more careful about where you use your mobile next time..

    1. Re:Ethics relating to SMS Spamming by aug24 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I commute 2 hours into London a lot of the time, and I always sit in the QZ, because I don't want to listen to the crappy conversations. Most of them are only phoning people because they are bored having failed to bring anything to do/read.

      Please, always, always, always, ask people to stop when they talk on their phones. I have asked loads of people, and about 90% have apologised immediately. The best bit is when someone argues with you, and the other commuters back you up ;-)

      In the worst case, the guard will tell them to stop if you ask him/her to.

      Justin.
      Silence Nazi ;-)

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  6. Fines for SMS spam should be higher by atomic+noodle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The fines for SMS spam should be higher than the fines for email spam.

    Why? SMS spam causes more hassle. Think about it. Many people will want to see the message immediately, drag the phone out, poke at those tiny little buttons, squint at the menus etc. At least email spam can be seen and deleted almost immediately (if it even gets thru the spam filters)

    In this case, AFAIK, the same charge was levied regardless.

  7. Re:A thought by hojita · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why bother verbally attacking? I tend to follow this response, which works in nearly every case:

    Telemarketer: Hello, may I speak to whomever is...
    You: [click]

  8. Re:Telesales by Tim+C · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Then how are you supposed to buy the product (should you be so inclined)? Could you not simply feign interest for long enough to get company details out of them, then inform the relevant authorities?

    (That's a serious question, as it's such an obvious solution that people *must* have thought of it, so there's got to be a reason why that doesn't work)

  9. thank god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    im sick of bastards who spam mobile phone numbers with text messages about this and that. its fucking sick!

    now if we could only get them indian call centers fined for calling peoples phone numbers and trying to trick them into moving to another company

    i got called by one yesterday and i demanded to know were they got my infomation from (i have never given my phone number or address to them) you know what the fuckers said? that companys infomation is confidential wtf? what about my infomation i said. god damn people make me sick.

  10. Re:Good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    A few years ago, my father received a cellphone call with a caller ID of "ER".

    Not in the USA he didn't.

    None of the cell phone systems in the USA have had caller name identification, only caller number, until very recently and most still don't. Some of the phones are smart enough to look up the caller number in your personal phonebook on the phone and if it is in there display that name, but you have to put the entry in there first.

  11. Re:Screw that. by Idarubicin · · Score: 2, Interesting
    If I abused someone enough, maybe they would get out of the business. If enough people refused to work in the industry, there would be fewer callers.

    Given that there are people (who are often about equally well-paid) who are still willing to work at McDonald's, I'm not sure how you can make the telemarketing experience sufficiently unpleasant.

    Incidentally, do you abuse everyone who does things that annoy you, or are you just a sociopath on the telephone where they can't smack you upside the head for being an asshole?

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