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Google's X Files Vanish

An anonymous reader writes "News.com reports that Google's latest technology experiment paid tribute to Apple Computer, but the Mac OS X-themed version of the search king's Web site was taken down a day after its debut. Though that particular page was taken down, there is a screenshot here displaying how the icons were magnified as the mouse hovered over them."

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  1. Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...as others in many other forums today have, there is, at least at present, absolutely no proof that Apple legal necessarily did anything here. By all accounts, it was a project by an individual Google engineer that a manager liked enough to display publicly via Google Labs. The creator himself said it was the result of "a fun late-night coding jaunt to help me learn Javascript and DHTML." After other Google managers, executives, or legal staff saw it, there is a distinct possibility that Google itself pulled it because of anything from concerns over possible infringement, to the product not being approved by by the proper authorities before public consumption, to internal disagreement about the rollout process to Google Labs.

    To those who may be so inclined to immediately blame Apple, I would say: wait until any facts in this particular instance actually support that position.

    1. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Yeshua · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't listen to the parent!
      It's part of the comspiracy! They're everywhere man!
      Seriously though, it seems more likely that it was pulled because of internal reason at Google, rather than Apple playing Microsoft.

    2. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Umm... The script is post-processed. It's
      been removed of white space, and all functions
      renames to single or double var names--all to
      save space the speed loading.

      *Obviously* people don't code this way.

    3. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suppose. But it was an experimental practice project. Why bother shaving microseconds off of an experiment?

    4. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by MilenCent · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To those who may be so inclined to immediately blame Apple, I would say: wait until any facts in this particular instance actually support that position.

      I'd say that, while it is prudent to not jump to the conclusion regarding the facts behind the take down, that given Apple's past behavior in "protecting" their Aqua user interface, that some amount of suspecion aimed in their direction is perhaps justified. Even if Apple did nothing, if Google took them down out of fear out of what Apple might do to them then it's clear that some kind of chilling effect has taken place, which after all is part of the strategy behind this kind of litigation -- to discourage infringement, or things that might possibly infringe, before it occurs.

      (Yeah, it's just based on some graphics and not new technology, but it still feels a bit chilly to me.)

    5. Re:Before anyone jumps to conclusions... by GFLPraxis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "The article mentions that Apple has sought patent on the genie effect... I thought the genie effect was an animation Apple used when minimizing/maximizing windows, not the dock magnification effect."

      Well, they do minimize INTO the dock...

  2. Variable names... by 1000101 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "a fun late-night coding jaunt to help me learn Javascript and DHTML."

    Let's hope his variable naming conventions don't hold true for all of his development work... From source code:

    k=document;v=Date;x=false;z=Array;af=Math.floor;ag =RegExp;b=new z(12);s=new z("null","web","images","groups","news","froogle", "local","scholar","video","maps","labs","more");aa =new z(11);ab=10;t=0;u=0;n=0;o=new v();h=5;m=385;c=0;w=x;var title;var firstHoverOccurred=x;m=385;p=0;function d(ac){c=ac;o=new v();setTimeout("gidle()",20);}function e(ac){c=0;w=x;o=new v();setTimeout("gidle()",20);}function ae(){for(var j=1;j35){b[i]-=h;if(b[i]'}else{var y=(c-7)*70+70;title.innerHTML=''+k.getElementById( imagename).alt}}b[c]+=h;p=1;if(b[c]>70){b[c]=70}l+ =b[c];if(l70){b[c]=70}l=m}var g=af(255-255*(b[c]-35)/35);title.style.color="rgb( "+g+","+g+","+g+")";imageElem.width=b[c];imageElem .height=b[c];k.getElementById(imagename).src=s[c]+ ".gif"}m=l;var ad=new v();ab=ad.getTime()-o.getTime();o=ad;t+=ab;u++;n=t /u;h=5;if(u>4){if(n>30){h=10}if(n>60){h=15}if(n>90 ){h=20}}if(p){setTimeout("gidle()",20);p=0}}

    1. Re:Variable names... by lukewarmfusion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not easy to read or manage, but it sure downloads fast. And if you're serving it to a few million visitors a day, those add up fast in bandwidth savings.

  3. A working cache by DarkMantle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A working cache of the original site is available over here

    You're welcome

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  4. He shouldn't have to keep his mouth shut by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some guy noodling around in his 20% time to profess his love for OS X hardly seems like something the legal department (or any damn department) should concern themselves with.

    Then again, I've had a few beers and can imagine the world, with a few minor tweaks, being perfect like that.

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  5. Host it locally by Sergeant+Beavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just host the code locally on your drive and bookmark Google to it. Then you can enjoy it as your Google homepage for now on.

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  6. Neat poem by oskard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the google cache page: "Roses are red. Violets are blue. OS X rocks. Homage to you." Sure hope Apple didn't yell at them, after such a nice complement. I don't own any Apple products but they seem like a cool, hip, and forgiving company. This would change my perspective of them, much like when Google went after XGoogle.

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  7. Re:The Opposite Conclusion by dn15 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But why would Google be "warning" Apple? Spotlight is for searching data on your computer, not the Internet. And Google's desktop search app only exists on Windows. It's not as if the two are in competition when it comes to searching.

  8. Big deal.. by ShawnDoc · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I did the same thing by accident years ago when I resized the icons on a web page I was working on, but forgot to resize the mouseover images.

  9. This is NOT useable by GoClick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mod me down, do whatever you want, just because I'm not impressed every time Google jumps.

    Part of the goodness of Google is how simple it is.

    I'm sorry but I don't associate a compass with local searches, The word Local is much better, I can read 10 links in the same time it takes to move the mouse over 1 icon to figure out what it does.

    It's just a script-trick. Yes it's fun, yes it's good looking, no it's not accessable or bandwidth friendly. It's not even that well coded.

    This is just another stupid trick but because it's Google it gets press attention?

    Frankly, that's kind of silly. There are a lot more cutting edge things floating around out there than images that resize when you roll over them.

    1. Re:This is NOT useable by kidlinux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, maybe if you'd step back and look at the larger picture, you'd realise some of the implications this presents.

      If and when google does its thing and releases a client/server OS or platform where all the apps are served up over the web, this little trick demonstrates that it's possible to make a very nice looking, very slick, and user friendly interface similar to that of a full blown OS currently on the market.

      Eye candy is apparently possible, and it is necessary. The average user will most likely select their platform based on the look and feel first, then functionality - which is about the same way most people make all their purchases.

      This IS usable.

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    2. Re:This is NOT useable by meanman · · Score: 2, Insightful
      This doesn't represent anything! There are no implications.

      The grandparent was right, it's just a stupid script trick. This stuff has been possible for many years now, it's not new. It's not innovative. Just because Google does something, all the Google fanboys run around shouting "it's profound!" from the rooftops. Many other groups have done similar and even more fancy things with html and scripting, which has demonstrated many many times over that this stuff is possible. It doesn't require Google to make that 'implication'.

      For crying out loud. When you combine a turing complete language (javascript) with a nice graphical toolkit (html/css), of course stuff like this is possible. Stuff like this and more! I don't understand why all these so called 'web developers' are constantly amazed when they see these little tricks!

  10. Jumping to conclusions by Thu25245 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's flamebait becauas you're jumping to an unjustified conclusion. There's no evidence that anyone from Apple was involved in the takedown. Yes, sometimes it seems Apple sues everything in sight, but to say that "Apple sucks for doing this" is not warranted at this juncture.

  11. Re:Bummer! by Sleepy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not everyone who is "legally blind", is "totally blind".

    While I don't think the demo was intended to be accessible, larger images and text DO help vision impared people...

  12. Re:We all know why by cmallinson · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...a famous law suit against a software product and it was decided that you cannot patent or copywrite the 'look and feel' of software.. .. only the code underneath

    Precedents aside, the look and feel of software is not always separate from the functionality. The function of a lot of software these days is to make hard things easy, and much of that has to do with the GUI.

  13. What if he was RIGHT to jump to conclusions? by DesScorp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And should it become known that Apple WAS responsible for this, will you then apologize and say "yup, he was right, Apple does suck for doing this?".

    As you yourself noted, Apple has now accumulated a reputation for "suing everone in sight"; isn't that reputation their own fault? And aren't people justified somewhat in suspecting Apple to be at fault here, BECAUSE of that litigious reputation of theirs?

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  14. Sides? Support/condemn? Apple slaves? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A bit melodramatic, I think. It's a themed webpage, not the moral compass of the internet. Get over it.

  15. It's actually kind of cute by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think a lot of bad ideas are actually good ideas made to do things they aren't suited for. Rollerskates are a great idea for moving from one end of the neighborhood to another, but pain if what you're spending all your time going up and down the staircase from the first floor to the fifth.

    The dock is a great idea for a launcher for a small, fixed handful of applications. It makes efficient use of space, it gives feedback about what you are about to do (when you click, it's the big one that be launched). I can imagine how well the original demos went. It's all the other stuff the dock is forced to do, like tell you about the state of your session, that are a bad idea.

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  16. Re:We all know why by twbecker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Explain to me how Google is a monopoly? People use it because they prefer it, not because they have no choice, big difference.

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  17. Re:We all know why by Gulthek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    'Cause you always read about those abuse of power stories where Google uses their dominance to prevent competitors from entering the market.

    Or uses their massive amount of cash on hand to buy out potential competitors.

    Or leverages tie ins with computer manufacturers so that Google comes pre-installed on all new pc computers.

    Because it is so hard to type alltheweb.com or yahoo.com instead of google.com into the address bar of the browser.

    And Firefox claims that it "can't render yahoo.com or msn.com correctly so you should probably not use that website."

    Damn Google! If only they had some competition to keep search engine technology on the edge. Striving to always improve and do new and better things. What a world that would be!

  18. Re:The Opposite Conclusion by mrdaveb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I thought that Google had doctored up this obvious territorial infringement on the Mac OS X desktop as a warning shot fired across Apple's bow...

    Hmm, yeah. The menacing threat conveyed by the Google X tagline certainly backs up your theory: "Roses are red. Violets are blue. OS X rocks. Homage to you."

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  19. Genie effect is bad UI design by whyde · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The "genie effect" is bad UI design because it makes the "clickable hotspot" for doing something change shape/size and move depending on how you found it.

    For instance: on the toolbar, if you start from the left side, and mouse over the growing/shrinking icons, then move *straight up* off the toolbar, you will have left a certain large icon. When it shrinks, you may no longer be directly above that same icon any more, so if you move *straight down* again, you'll land on a different icon.

    This is precisely why Apple's "stoplight" maximize/minimize/close buttons appear on the upper-left side of the window title-bar, so if the window resizes while you're getting ready to click one of them, they don't move out from under your feet.

    Countelss Windows applications have done this to me, where a dialog box auto-resizes just enough to place the close button where the minimize button used to be. Even Nero used to replace a "Next>" button with a "Close" button in the same spot in their interface, just to make things dicey.

    Sure, it's fancy eye-candy, but having deterministic GUI clickable elements I believe is more important.