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Yahoo Pledges Full Firefox Support

homerj79 writes "News.com.com is reporting that Yahoo! has pledged full support of Firefox across its entire site. Despite its search bar for Firefox, which was launched in February, users still had to revert back to IE for certain features of Yahoo, like customizing your Yahoo Messenger avatar via the web. A specific date has not been set, but the company did say it would not launch any new services until all existing one supported Firefox." Update: 03/18 18:24 GMT by Z : GraffitiKnight (among many others) wrote in to mention that the claim has been retracted by the Yahoo! central office.

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  1. Support from an unlikely source? by ackthpt · · Score: 3, Informative

    (Heard Wednesday at SDWest) Even ASP.NET 2.0/VS 2005 will have (better) support for Firefox. It sure perked up my ears. What's their plan?

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    1. Re:Support from an unlikely source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      ASP.NET's html generation profile is based on an old version of Netscape where things like border-collapse didn't work. It's pretty straightforward to update this for FireFox.

      Apparently one main goal of ASP.NET2 is XHTML support, which is good for everyone, except IE6 users. Until IE7 ships, Firefox may be the best environment for ASP.NET users.

  2. So Yahoo Supports Standards by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 5, Funny
    So Yahoo now supports standards.

    Wow! News at 11.

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    1. Re:So Yahoo Supports Standards by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Funny
      So Yahoo now supports standards.

      ...well they used to support Suffering Based Advertising (X10 Pop-Ups)

      #$*&! i DON'T want yer #&^$*(@ camera, shove it up your $&^$#*

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    2. Re:So Yahoo Supports Standards by geoffspear · · Score: 3, Insightful
      No, they support 2 browsers. They never claimed they were going to make their pages work on both of them by supporting actual standards; more likely they'll just use a bunch of ugly hacks so things work right on those 2 but may or may not horribly break under Safari or Opera.

      If content providers and browser makers would have all supported standards in the first place, they wouldn't have to announce now that they were going to try to make everything work on the 2nd most popular browser, too.

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    3. Re:So Yahoo Supports Standards by jacksonj04 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Do you *really* want to go shoving a wireless X10 camera up someone's $&^$#*

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    4. Re:So Yahoo Supports Standards by kosmicki · · Score: 3, Funny

      You could make a tidy profit if you offered the .avi of it to the right people.

  3. launchcast by jkc120 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What about launchcast? There's no mention of it in the article, but hopefully that's included. It's one of the few things keeping my wife from using firefox.

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    1. Re:launchcast by Gorath99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree it would be only logical to assume that it does. At the very least we'll have something to throw in their face if they don't make it firefox compatible. With a bit of luck this'll also mean that Launchcast will become useable from non-windows machines (if they stay away from writing plugins that require WMP or other such nonsense). Launchcast is one of the very few sites that I want to visit badly enough to occasionally start IE for. (The only other one being my online banking site.)

  4. Yahoo! by Stanistani · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well, this is certainly a cause for celebration.
    What word could we yell in exultation?
    Something short and perhaps cowboy-based?

    Yeeeha!

    1. Re:Yahoo! by OmegaGeek · · Score: 5, Funny

      >Something short and perhaps cowboy-based?

      Neil?

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    2. Re:Yahoo! by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 5, Funny

      perhaps cowboy-based?

      Yippee-kayay-motherfucker?

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  5. Yahoo and Firefox compatibility by xtracto · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, that is a great step but, I would like them to support games like Bejewelled 2 and other, that are ActiveX only...

    They should make all they games with Java. And, I experience some problems with the calendar also... well, they say, the devil is in the details

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  6. Yahoo not supporting Firefox after all by Jim_Maryland · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From ZD Net UK:

    Yahoo said on Friday afternoon that a statement from the company's Australian office on Tuesday, which claimed that all future products would be compatible with both the Firefox and Internet Explorer (IE) browsers, was inaccurate.

    In February, Yahoo launched a search toolbar for Firefox, but users of the open source browser were forced to switch back to IE when accessing some Yahoo services. Following communications between Yahoo and ZDNet UK sister site ZDNet Australia , Yahoo issued a statement saying the company would not launch any new products or services in the future without ensuring they work on both IE and Firefox.

    However, on Friday, a Yahoo representative from the US admitted that the original statement was 'factually incorrect' because, although Yahoo realises that Firefox-compatibility is important, it is not in a position to promise all future products would be both Internet Explorer and Firefox compatible.

    1. Re:Yahoo not supporting Firefox after all by greyhoundpoe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Scanning online news sources: 30 minutes
      Typing up a quick summary: 10 minutes
      Rubberstamp by editors: 5 minutes

      Having your submission proven irrelevant within 7 minutes of being posted: priceless

    2. Re:Yahoo not supporting Firefox after all by prezninja · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Is it just me or has there been way too much 'factually incorrect' information in front-page Slashdot articles lately? A very simple peer-review system for facts in Slashdot articles before they go on the main page would do wonders. Additional "+5 Informative" comments could potentially be appended to the article, such as the parent, and more factual and well-balanced news for the general reader would appear on the main page without the need to read all the "+5 Insightful" opinions and "+5 Funny" jokes to just get the facts. It's a humble opinion. What do you guys think?

    3. Re:Yahoo not supporting Firefox after all by ryantate · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yahoo can't decide what's it's doing -- it contradicted itself. Slashdot is supposed to stop this how? Hiring fact checkers?

    4. Re:Yahoo not supporting Firefox after all by snorklewacker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Frankly, the moderation system isn't even very good. Hard cap at +5 and -2 means the fanboy effect keeps irrelevant junk at +5, equal with highly interesting/informative/insightful. It basically makes it a flat space. This isn't necessarily so bad for posts, since the effect isn't there, but it would be immediately apparent for article moderation.

      And frankly, I don't even see a reason for the moderation categories. Just mod up or down, that's really all it needs. The categories are just pretension at actual meaning, they don't actually convey it.

      People have submitted many a fix to slashcode to introduce things like proper HTML with CSS (which would cut /.'s bandwidth bill in half), but it's usually been rejected. It's quite clear that maintaining slashcode or slashdot itself is beyond the abilities and/or interest of the current staff of anyone at slashdot or OSTG.

      Hell, they haven't even rustled up the interest to tweak the logo or anything just to offer something slightly fresh. Still using nasty drop shadows around the icons, even. Well, there's the frightfully garish color schemes, yes.

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  7. Not Correct by phusikos · · Score: 4, Informative
    Sorry to spoil the fun, but the article is out-of-date an incorrect. (Gotta love the Information Age!) Today, a Yahoo! representative said that the "full support" statement was "factually inaccurate."
    "In the grand scheme of things Firefox is still a new technology. I'm not saying we are not going to be developing and exploring other areas -- we are. But there are so many different products on the Yahoo network that there may be some products that are, perhaps, not appropriate for that browser," the representative said.
    Hopefully, they'll still be able to expand Firefox support in the near future.
  8. Competition Is Good by blueZhift · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once again, it looks like competition is good. I've been bugging Yahoo! for years about supporting non-IE browsers, but only getting automated replies. I guess Google, and its cozyness with the Firefox creators, is enough of a threat that they felt some real heat. I hope this announcement also means that maybe Google will start supporting Firefox and other non-IE browsers when they roll out new toys like desktop search. If Yahoo! and Google keep going at it like this, it can only mean good things for the end user!

  9. You'd hope submitters would RTFA by X · · Score: 5, Informative

    "...but the company did say it would not launch any new services until all existing one supported Firefox"

    No, they didn't say that. They said they wouldn't launch any new services until making sure they worked with Firefox. They don't have a timeline for when they get all existing services supported on Firefox and, not surprisingly, don't want to hold off on launching new services for an arbitrary period of time.

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  10. Re:What About Slashdot??!! by indros · · Score: 3, Informative

    A quick fix is hitting Ctrl + and then Ctrl -

  11. A good thing. by EEPS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If this is true, It is a great step for Yahoo. I have tried to move everyone I know to firefox, including my mom. The only thing that was holding my mom back from completely using firefox was yahoo's online streaming music radio. Maby finally she can dump IE once and for all!

  12. Wrong, but close. by Richthofen80 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I actually think this is a dumb statement by Yahoo, and I use firefox daily.

    Yahoo should not pledge firefox support, it should pledge STANDARDS support. If all their pages validate, and contain the proper doctypes, then Yahoo becomes stardards supporting, and all good browsers that obey standards will render them correctly. They'll also gracefully degrade per platform/browser.

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    1. Re:Wrong, but close. by Winterblink · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Was going to post the exact same comment myself. :) I'd be MUCH happier if standards were adhered to, instead of focusing on support of specific browsers. It forces the browser coders out there to make sure their support of standards is solid, and in turn makes it a hell of a lot easier for those of us who code web pages to code it once and have it work the same everywhere.

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  13. Re:Ahhhh.... but when will Slashdot? by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, it used to do that for me. But nightly builds solve the problem just fine. The Moox 1.0 build also works fine. If you don't like those solutions though, there's also the slashfix extension.

  14. Re:extensions ... adblock? by pediwent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Uhhh...last time I checked, Yahoo!'s primary source of revenue BY FAR was still advertising (like higher than 80%). I imagine it will be a cold day in hell when they officially support a product that erodes that revenue source.

  15. Re:Ahhhh.... but when will Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't know about the rest of you, but whenever I browse Slashdot with Firefox the page just doesn't seem to be drawn correctly.

    This just comes up again and again, doesn't it? Let's recap:

    • The cause is a Gecko bug. It's related to page reflows, which depend on connection speed, page size, processor speed etc., which is why you don't see it all the time (and some people never see it at all).
    • The bug was fixed months ago in Gecko on the trunk. However, Firefox 1.0 (and 1.0.1 and 1.0.2) use the 1.7 version of Gecko, which branched from the trunk around July last year.
    • The bug will be fixed in Firefox 1.1, which will use Gecko 1.8. Firefox 1.1 is due out in June.
    • While Slashdot's HTML may suck like a tornado, it's not the cause in this case.
    • Any questions?
  16. Re:Ahhhh.... but when will Slashdot? by thirteenVA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I love how people complain incessantly about slashdot standards support.

    1) Slashdot was coded years ago, when the accepted way to do things was to nest tables. It may not have been right, but it did the job at a time when CSS had even less support than it does now. Also at that time IE was a leader in the adaption of CSS (remember when NS 4 didn't even support external stylesheets without a hack) and its implementation was still poor. Developers had little choice.

    2) Last i checked slashcode was open source. Recode it to standards and submit it as a patch.

    3) Why has complaining about slashdot standards support become an exercise in growing your karma, all these redundant posts are always modded interesting in any discussion regarding the web.

  17. Re:extensions ... adblock? by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Informative

    That would suggest an issue with your filter set, not with Yahoo.

    I don't use yahoo, but in about 15 seconds, I came up with this:

    http://us.a1.yimg.com/*/promotions/*

    Turned it on and didn't see any more ads come up. It may need tweaking after ad rotations.
    Hope that helps.

  18. Re:aaarrgh ... quality of life by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, way to go.

    Let's go back to Lynx.

    Nah, let's go back to Gopher!

    Or let's just ditch the Internet, and bring back the BBS! :)

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  19. Quick slashdot / firefox fix by Darth_brooks · · Score: 4, Informative

    use the ctrl + and ctrl - shortcuts to increase the text size, then reduce it back to normal. This will re-render the page properly. Why this works, I have no idea.

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  20. Fox fires on Safari for Mac by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, and then you can upgrade from Firefox to a good browser like Safari.

    If I wanted to go on a Safari, I would have.

    I'd rather twirl Fire with the Foxes.

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  21. Re:Ahhhh.... but when will Slashdot? by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's not nesting tables (that's not really bad in my book, it just slowed down old Netscapes) that is the big problem.

    It is the fact the Slashdot pages are invalid HTML.

    And rather than fix it, or at least address the criticism, Slashdot gives a 403 Forbidden error when trying to use validator.w3.org.

    As if that will make us have confidence in the HTML being valid, making it so we can't even see the errors. It would be like buying a car with a sheet over it, and not being allowed to look under the sheet before purchase.

    http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsla shdot.org%2F

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  22. Following Google? by MikeCapone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, maybe that, but it's probably more that Google has started officialy supporting Firefox in most things (there's even a rumor about a GBrowser based on Firefox), so Yahoo couldn't be left behind on that.

  23. Re:Ahhhh.... but when will Slashdot? by thirteenVA · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The biggest problem is Slashdot's, they're the ones paying for the bandwidth on this bloated code.

    The page works in all browsers(at least the 4 I have). As i understand it the issue with firefox is a bug in the browser.

  24. Slashdot should support Firefox by SunPin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Big hint.

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  25. Re:Hmm... by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Since when was Firefox a standard?

    That, of course, is not what the original article ever said. What Firefox does is support world-wide web standards better than the leading browser. Standards compliant pages will run better on Firefox than IE. Therefore Yahoo is moving towards world-wide web standards by making pages that render and function correctly on Firefox.

    Now was that so hard?

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  26. Re:Hmm... by Curtman · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Therefore Yahoo is moving towards world-wide web standards by making pages that render and function correctly on Firefox.

    I wish Yahoo had worded it like that. Instead they make false statements like:

    • In the grand scheme of things Firefox is still a new technology

    The reality is exactly as you say, and Firefox/Mozilla/Netscape all share a rendering engine that is NOT new technology, but has been in use for a very long time now.