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Classic Math Puzzle Cracked

An anonymous reader writes "This is cool - if mind-bending. A century ago, a self-taught math genius from India noticed some patterns in how numbers can be created by adding other numbers. Now a grad student has finished the job showing that the patterns apply to all prime numbers, not just some. There's more on the Indian math guy here."

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  1. Srinivasa Ramanujan? by crypto55 · · Score: 5, Informative

    you mean Srinivasa Ramanujan

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    1. Re:Srinivasa Ramanujan? by MarkusQ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My thoughts exactly. I wonder, will the next article about relativity reference "some German physics guy"? Or, for that matter, should we be on the lookout for articles about an operating system software codes invented by a Finlandish computer guy?

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    2. Re:Srinivasa Ramanujan? by QMO · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It appears to me that Ramanujan's name was left out purposely to help understanding and spark interest.

      Most /. readers who care who'd care would know exactly who was meant. And for those who didn't know about Ramanujan, "a self-taught math genius from India" was more informative and more memorable than just the name.

      Also, the fact that the link to the bio was included seems to indicate that "anonymous reader" does know and care who "the Indian math guy" was.

      I apologize in advance for the following rant:
      The sad thing is that much of readership of /. is a little low on reading comprehension skills and misses things like this.

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    3. Re:Srinivasa Ramanujan? by famebait · · Score: 5, Funny

      All the nerds with jobs will be there, those in the US will be burger flippers (*) or on the street, and Slashdot's future audience will be over in India.

      This will in turn reduce productivity in India so much that America becomes competitive again! Brilliant!

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  2. ramanujan by Ed+Pegg · · Score: 5, Informative

    More on Ramanujan at St. Andrews
    Also at physorg.
    It all deals with the Partition function.

  3. Vaguest post I've ever seen by StateOfTheUnion · · Score: 5, Informative
    A century ago, a self-taught math genius from India noticed some patterns in how numbers can be created by adding other numbers.

    That's got to be the worst write up I've ever seen on /.

    This statement implies that the genius is famous because he noticed that there is/are pattern(s) in how you can add up numbers to get other numbers . . . that statement is so vague that the discovery could be incredible or intuitively obvious.

    Quoted from one of the links is a much better explanation below:

    One remarkable result of the Hardy-Ramanujan collaboration was a formula for the number p(n) of partitions of a number n. A partition of a positive integer n is just an expression for n as a sum of positive integers, regardless of order. Thus p(4) = 5 because 4 can be written as 1+1+1+1, 1+1+2, 2+2, 1+3, or 4. The problem of finding p(n) was studied by Euler, who found a formula for the generating function of p(n) (that is, for the infinite series whose nth term is p(n)xn). While this allows one to calculate p(n) recursively, it doesn't lead to an explicit formula. Hardy and Ramanujan came up with such a formula (though they only proved it works asymptotically; Rademacher proved it gives the exact value of p(n)).

  4. Dissappointing by Yeshua · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That Ramanujan is refered to as `that Indian math guy'...

    I thought this was news for nerds, sure maybe not everyone knows who Ramanujan was, but a good proportion should, at least enough that you don't have to demean him with a vague description.

  5. Obilgatory story by uniqueCondition · · Score: 5, Interesting

    GH Hardy (he wrote A Mathematician's Apology) speaking of Ramanujan:

    I remember once going to see him when he was lying ill at Putney. I had ridden in taxi cab number 1729 and remarked that the number seemed to me rather a dull one, and that I hoped it was not an unfavorable omen. "No," he replied, "it is a very interesting number; it is the smallest number expressible as the sum of two cubes in two different ways."

    (London 1940).

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    1. Re:Obilgatory story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      1^3 + 12^3 = 1 + 1728 = 1729

      9^3 + 10^3 = 729 + 1000 = 1729

  6. How incredibly sad by palki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... that Ramanujan gets referred to on slashdot as the "Indian math guy" and is followed by jokes on outsourcing. You can read about him at http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/Ramanuja n.html or read the book "The Man who knew infinity" by Robert Kanigel. He had remarkable contributions in number theory, all made with very little formal training. His story cannot be explained in any other way but supreme in-born genius (he himself explained it by inspiration from the goddess Namagiri). The attitude to math in the general populace is one of total avoidance. I had hopes that the average slashdotter was different.

  7. Russell by kaalamaadan · · Score: 5, Informative

    The coolest reference on Hardy's reaction to Ramanujan's initial letter is seen in a letter that was sent by Bertrand Russell to an acquaintance. It goes something like:

    "Saw Littlewood and Hardy in a considerable state of excitement. They claim to have discovered a second Newton, a Hindu clerk working in Madras for 20 pounds a year...It's all secret now, of course. I feel excited to know this"

    From: Ramanujan: Letters and Commenary

    Bruce C. Berndt and Robert L. Rankin.

    American Mathematical Society-London Mathematical Society.

  8. Numbers were there before the big bang by arrowman · · Score: 5, Funny

    "how numbers can be created by adding other numbers"... that sounds more like the observation of an American presidency guy.

  9. Mystery Illness? by LokieLizzy · · Score: 5, Informative
    "England in 1914 and worked there until shortly before his untimely death in 1920 following a mystery illness."

    He didn't die from a "mystery illness", he died from tuberculosis (or as it was called back then, the consumption).

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  10. In other news... by BigBadDude · · Score: 5, Funny

    "A decade ago, a self-taught computer genius from Finland [...] There's more on the Finish computer guy here."

    (I think you get the point)

  11. Know your math department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I was a PhD math student, I often annoyed professors by asking them about real-world applications, and usually got vague answers like the one quoted.

    Well, then don't go to the Pure Math department when you're asking questions about Applied Math! Don't go to the C&O department, and ask about Statistics, and don't go the Actuary Science department, and ask about Accounting! Yes, they're all within the Math Faculty, but you have to pick your department correctly, or you won't get the answers you want! Sheesh! You wouldn't go to a French professor, and get all annoyed that they didn't speak ancient greek, would you? They're in the Arts Faculty, but Ancient Greek belongs to the Classical Studies department, and French belongs to Romance Languages department.

    There is a lot of mathematics out there with real world applications: modeling for physics and engineering, non-linear statistical methods for stock market analysis, all sorts of new crypographic methods and applications, graphical rendering engines; tons of stuff.

    Typically, pure math is far in advance of real-world applications: most of the mathematics we use today had no "real world" application when it was first concieved of. Field theory was considered "useless" when it was created, but it forms the heart of both modern cryptography, and of error correcting codes. These two, in turn, have become crucial to the success of our banking and telecommunications industries.

    New insights into eliptic curves are yielding a new form of cryptography; the discrete logarithm problem forms the basis of another. Ten years ago, quantum computing was a matter of purely speculative mathematics; today, it exists as an experimental science.

    Imaginary numbers were so named because no one figured they had real world uses: today, they're taught as a practical matter for electrical engineers to use in their electronics calculations. Taylor series approximations take the guesswork out of sin and cosine calculations, polynomial interpolation techniques allows computation of a "curve of best fit" for arbitrary scientific data, and every modern engineer is now aquainted with Fourier's transform. Some of Benoit Mandlebrot's notions about fractals were used to create JPEG compression, in common use on the Internet. Wavelet theory is currently being developed to attempt to improve on current methods.

    Math is pushing ahead very fast; the real reason you don't usually see it is because it's often right at the heart of things; deep inside our hashing algorithms, hidden in a cryptography library, working behind the scenes as the statistical underpinnings of a successful greylist design that keeps spam away. It's in the boolean algebras that were used to design an efficient circuit layout, and in the iterative methods used to compute a new airfoil design. It's everywhere.

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    1. Re:Know your math department by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      Gauss, (hmm.. where have I heard that name before) invented imaginagry numbers

      Gauss did quite a lot of things in math, but inventing imaginary numbers was not one of them. These numbers were known long before him and their name was coined by Rene Descartes, as a quick glance at wikipedia would reveal. Incidentally, Descartes named the numbers imaginary exactly because he did not believe they could "exist."

      Gauss was french

      Gauss was one of the greatest german mathematicians, my friend.

  12. Re:The really annoying part. by Darby · · Score: 5, Informative

    His name is in the first sentence.

    I just moused over, and it's in the freaking URL.

  13. Indian math guy!?? by grikdog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    By the same token, "German guess guy" is Heisenberg, "Italian nuke guy" is Fermi and "Slashdot condescension guy" is whoever bespoke "Indian math guy," referring to Ramanujan. Mathematics, made of pure thought, advances meteorically faster than the dull material world, let alone the moral, spiritual or (shall we call a spade a spade?) ethological world of semi-sentient apes and slash dotters. Ramanujan lived in a future virtually all of us cannot even imagine, and his name is revered, not because we understand him, but because he thought the future beautiful.

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