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Canada Says No To DMCA

P Starrson writes " The Canadian government has reportedly said no to the DMCA. It released its plans for copyright reform today with a limited anti-circumvention provision that would not cover the likes of DeCSS. It even avoided the U.S. "notice and takedown system" that has caused a big headache for U.S. ISPs. A good summary is available from Canadian law professor Michael Geist. "

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  1. Good step? by LegendOfLink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, why can't the US government learn to keep their noses out of every aspect in our lives?!

    1. Re:Good step? by LegendOfLink · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True, but that one group of people used their money and influence to persuade legislators to make a law to benefit them.

      Last time I checked, I thought the government was supposed to preserve fundamental Constitutional rights, not pass a new law when some lawmaker has to take care of those who donated to their campaigns.

      Simply put, people will try to do things to put themselves at the top, but it's the governments fault for allowing itself to be manipulated.

      I think Thomas Jefferson would be crying right now ;)

    2. Re:Good step? by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It's not The Big Bad Government trying to nose its way into our lives, it's one group of people (content providers/owners) trying to make sure that what they perceive as their best interests are protected through the law.
      Huh? I doubt you could name any policy of any government, ever, that wasn't about "somebody" who wanted "something." That in itself isn't a justification.

      If you assume somebody is being evil just for the sake of being evil, it's more likely their motive is selfish and you just don't know yet what they're trying to get. That doesn't mean they're not evil.

    3. Re:Good step? by BobSutan · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I think Thomas Jefferson would be crying right now ;)
      You jest, but in reality he'd probably be in prison, or worse Gitmo, held as an enemy of the State for trying to usurp the federal government.
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    4. Re:Good step? by Brandybuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not just the US government, it's EVERY government. Some government are more intrusive into the social aspects of our lives, others into the economic aspects of our lives, but I have yet to encounter any government that was content to simply mind its own business.

      Apropos the article, while the DMCA is pretty intrusive all by itself, EVERY industrialized nation has copyright laws that intrude heavily into the informational aspects of our lives. No exceptions. I don't care if it's an inch or a foot, I don't want that camel's nose in my tent at all!

      This news should be cause to praise Canada, and not to bash the US. Canada might now have a tiny shiny spot on its pot, but that pot is still pretty damned black to be pointing out kettles with.

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    5. Re:Good step? by pete6677 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Voting does not work because voters don't take it seriously. If 80% of eligible Americans voted, and they did plenty of research ahead of time to see who would best serve their interests, corporate lobbyists would lose all their power. Campaign funds can make a candidate widely known, but only votes can put them in office. The problem is, people for the most part don't really care enough about their government to change it. As long as their lives are generally OK, they're not going to be voting in record numbers. If more people voted, and voted on important issues as opposed to who says they're going to give them more free stuff, Democrats and Republicans would no longer be able to get away with being the same, unless they really offered what most people truly wanted.

  2. Freedom! by Janitha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good to see the Canada being more realistic and more free about stuff like this.

  3. w00t! by deadhammer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Go us! Now the question on everybody's mind up here is: with our refusal to put our official support behind the missile defense program and now this, how long before the border closes up completely?

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  4. Lesson from Europe by Sanity · · Score: 4, Insightful
    After following the EU software patent debate very closely all I can say is that getting politicians to verbally agree with you is only the first step. When powerful interests are involved, a politicians vote can often differ quite substantially from their stated intentions...

    Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom (and its a PITA).

  5. Canada ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... The *new* Land of the Free. :-)

  6. Re:So When Piracy Causes The End Of Freedom.... by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "They were gunned down in cold blood while investigating a grow op..."

    Yeah, a grow op of 20 plants on the property of a man with nearly a dozen charges of assault, uttering threats, threatening a police officer, firing a gun within city limits, driving infractions, and who was known to be less than stable. He'd sworn, on several occaisions, to kill people who angered him. The guy was a nut job, and in spite of all this, he had no problems buying all the guns he wanted from the government. Blaming this on weed is like blaming World War II on the German sausages causing indigestion.

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  7. Not really by WindBourne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Plain and simple, while these ppl are trying to change the law to their advantage, it is politicians who are doing so. ppl like Utah's senator, Hatch. Many do it not because it is good for America, but because they are gaining personally. That is bad politics.

    In other cases, Politicians will do something as a cause and try to make it look like they are doing the right thing, when in reality they know it is wrong, but simply wish to have something for the election.

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  8. Re:Some of the text by NorthDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    However, the FAQ also notes that circumvention for the purposes of private copying will not be permitted, meaning people may find themselves paying for a CD and paying a levy on blank CD yet unable to make the copy of the underlying CD.

    This is kind of sad. Ok, it may not be a DMCA-like reform we are heading toward, but it still eats away a chunck of my fair-use rights. I mean, now I won't have the right to circumvent DRM-protected files so I can play them on linux? In the future, if they begin to sell DRM-crippled CD's and CD player, I won't have the right to circumvent it's DRM scheme so I can put the music on my iPod (as an example only)? The rest seems to have reach a good balance, but this one I do not like how it sounds.

    So ok, things like DeCSS won't be illegal in itself, but using it to rip my DVDs to my harddrive will so I should rejoice why exactly? Because it is not has bad as in the US? It's not as bad so it is ok? Way to go...

    Sorry for the rant, this just frustrates me a lot.

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  9. Re:So When Piracy Causes The End Of Freedom.... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Blaming this on weed is like blaming World War II on the German sausages causing indigestion.

    Not really. Think about it.

    Scenario 1: Pot is legal. You grow pot. You sell pot. You smoke pot. You pay your taxes and uphold the law. The cops don't bother you.
    Would you shoot a cop?

    Scenario 2: Pot is illegal. If you are caught selling it, you get a large fine and possibly some jail time. If you are caught using it, you get a small fine. You grow pot. You sell pot. You smoke pot. Cops have been tipped off and are coming for you, and if you get caught you face a $20,000 fine up to a year in jail.
    Would you shoot a cop?

    Scenario 3: Pot is illegal. If you are caught selling it, you go to jail for 20 years. If you are caught using it, you are sent to jail for 3 years. You grow pot. You sell pot. You smoke pot. Cops have been tipped off and are coming for you, and if you get caught you go away for the rest of your life.
    Would you shoot a cop?

    It appears, because of this event, that they will be shelving legistlation to reduce the penalties involved in marijuana. Does anyone else think this is really stupid, or is it just me?

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  10. Re:Nice by synx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having lived in both places, I'd definitely say that Canada has a far superior health care system. Lets just put it this way, if you are in the USA, you are only one major health issue from bankruptcy - even if you are making 6 figures.

    I know you were probably joking, but why let an opportunity to correct a misconception slip by?

  11. MOD PARENT UP by Excen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He may be illiterate and a self-titled jerk, but he does have a point. Which senators sponsor legislation like the DMCA come from? They happen to be from areas of the country that want to ban violent video games, make schools more like prisons than learning institutions, and let people sue pencil makers for poking themselves in their stupid, stupid eyes.

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  12. And soon... by shmlco · · Score: 5, Insightful
    you are only one major health issue from bankruptcy

    Even bankruptcy won't help, as Congress is about to vote April 6th on the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005.

    Aptly named, the act "protects" banks and lenders from those nasty middle-class comsumers who lose their jobs, whose families break up, and who suffer unforeseen medical emergencies.

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  13. Would anyone notice? by Jetson · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Go us! Now the question on everybody's mind up here is: with our refusal to put our official support behind the missile defense program and now this, how long before the border closes up completely?

    The border is already effectively closed as far as I'm concerned. The USA has REPEATEDLY lost their battles over softwood tariffs and beef import restrictions and yet the politicians down there are still blocking imports by simply throwing up new laws/rules that they *know* will eventually be struck down again. NAFTA is a complete failure from the Canadian perspective as the "free flow of goods and services" is apparently only a one-way deal.

    There is a growing sentiment up here that we should no longer offer the USA preferential access to our natural resources. If you don't want our lumber or our beef, why should we be paying high electric rates to subsidise California? Why should we be shipping our fresh water south by the truckload?

    I (and many other Canadians) have stopped going to the USA on vacation. I now give my tourist dollars to countries in Asia, Europe and elsewhere.

  14. Free speech by totoanihilation · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, weather permitting, I would have to say the grass _does_ seem greener on our side of the fence.

    An example of free speech: we don't get called unpatriotic and/or labelled a terrorist (and thus have almost all personal rights revoked) for saying that our political leader is a dickhead. I would even dare say that it's a necessity to question the competence of our leaders, otherwise they would get away with worse stuff than they do now.

  15. English Parliament is great... by katharsis83 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually I think he has a point there. Have you ever watched Tony Blaire be cross-examined on the floor of the House of Lords? I may dislike his policies, but the guy has amazing oratory skills - he defends his policies and ideas with clarity and coherence. It adds to the public discourse on complex issues. This kind of accountability of the Executive leads to a cleaner and more transparent government.

    I *WANT* to see all future US Presidents have to defend themselves in front of the US Senate.

    I *WANT* to see GW Bush have to defend himself to cross-examination by opposition parties on the floor of the Senate.

    So yeah, I do think there's something the US can learn from British Parliament-style government.