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UN Wants To Regulate Internet

LegendOfLink writes "News.com has good interview with the UN's ITU Director, Houlin Zhao, and his desire to regulate the internet. He says "One of the most important changes was the early stages, when the Internet started, when ICANN started in 1998. The purpose was to exclude governments (but that didn't work). People realize today that the governments worldwide have to play a role. People say the Internet flourished because of the absence of government control. I do not agree with this view. I argue that in any country, if the government opposed Internet service, how do you get Internet service? If there are any Internet governance structure changes in the future, I think government rules will be more important and more respected." "

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  1. No thanks, we are just fine w/o you. by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Countering spam is just one of many elements of protecting the Internet that include availability during emergencies and supporting public safety and law enforcement officials," Zhao wrote in December.

    I'm sorry but the Internet shouldn't be limited in speech and this is exactly what could happen if some "governing body" takes over enforcement of Spam laws. Yeah, it would start as Spam but it would quickly move to other communications that aren't as negatively viewed by the public.

    I am sticking to the belief that spam is something that should be handled by local groups not government authorities. We just had a discussion yesterday about people not contributing to their governments and instead expect their governments to do everything for them. Well, this is an unnecessary waste of time/money/energy that can be avoided if people take steps to protect themselves and their email.

    The slippery slope starts like this remember.

    One of the most important changes was the early stages, when the Internet started, when ICANN started in 1998. The purpose was to exclude governments (but that didn't work). People realize today that the governments worldwide have to play a role.

    Who realizes that? I surely don't. China is taking a "role" governing their Internet connection to the world and what does it do? It attempts to limit the freedom of information because it knows that it is a possible negative influence on the longevity of its governmental system. I certainly don't want some other body telling me what I can and cannot see because it may negatively influence my views on it.

    People say the Internet flourished because of the absence of government control. I do not agree with this view. I argue that in any country, if the government opposed Internet service, how do you get Internet service? If there are any Internet governance structure changes in the future, I think government rules will be more important and more respected.

    And when there is direct government control how do you get it? Through the filters that are put in place. The Internet is the one place where you can still dig through millions of different opinions to form your own rather than being fed the same stale bullshit that your government wants you to hear.

    Do not fall for their promises of freedom from spam. It will do nothing but erode further the real freedoms that the Internet has created for the global community.

    1. Re:No thanks, we are just fine w/o you. by cmburns69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Internet is the one place where you can still dig through millions of different opinions to form your own rather than being fed the same stale bullshit that your government wants you to hear.

      But finding un-biased opinions is becoming increasingly difficult. While it is true that this information is available on the internet, most people stick to the sites they know and are comfortable with. Generally, that means that people visit sites that further confirm their existing opinions.

      I won't fall for the promises of freedom from spam.

      I also won't fall for the promises of reliable, un-biased information either.

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    2. Re:No thanks, we are just fine w/o you. by nihaopaul · · Score: 5, Interesting

      i am in china, i can visit most sites just not all, access speeds have slowed to a crawl, china telecom blames an increase in users, i doubt that, a drop from 30kbs on a single socket down to 1-2kbs, seems a bit ridiculas in just one year, hey i've still got next year to look forward to!

      but its not just china, look at france and germany working with google to *help the end user* get the right search results. (previous slashdot artical)

      my 2 jiao

    3. Re:No thanks, we are just fine w/o you. by krgallagher · · Score: 5, Insightful
      In short, spamming regulation and penalties are nothing more than enforcement of existing property laws.

      So why do we have to pass new laws. Why not just enforce the existing laws?

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  2. Control by panxerox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If there are any Internet governance structure changes in the future, I think government rules will be more important and more respected." Um no.. as all governments inevitably trend toward maximum control and subjugation of their citizens, it is every citizens right and duty to oppose information control as information control is the method by which populations loose their freedom.

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  3. Great!!!! by mbrewthx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The internet brought to you by the folks who brought you Oil for Food!!!

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    1. Re:Great!!!! by pNutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah like I'd trust those fuckers!
      Bringing us crap like UNICEF, human rights committees, peace treaties between and within warring nations, war crimes tribunals, socioeconomic assistance to underdeveloped nations, women's rights advocacy, and other such horrors! Corruption!! Secularism!! Un-american, because they represent the entire rest of the world instead of just us!!

      Appalling, t'is, though I still wouldn't trust them to regulate information in any way.

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  4. Hey why not! by hsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They have an impeccable record of getting things right. Look at Dafur, Rwanda, Sudan, Food for Oil. Lets hand it over!

    1. Re:Hey why not! by CSMastermind · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes the world would be scarier but the UN today is as corrupt if not more so than most governments. The UN repersents at best a forum for international discussion. The reason nations can make policy (as much as I hate to say it) is because they have an army to back that policy up. Viewing the UN as a body in itself is a basic mistake because with no real way to enforce any policy it creates it is simply a way for nations to peacefully communicate.

  5. who wants to control the internet? by PopeAlien · · Score: 5, Funny

    everybody.

    But I think we should let the internet decide.

    1) the U.N.

    2) Ralph Nader

    3) China

    4) Cowboy Neal

    I'm going to sit this one out.

  6. Re:Oh my god by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Instead, I would like to challenge someone to explain how this could possibly be a good thing.

    It could provide a mechanism for shutting down spam relays in China.

    This quote disturbs me though:
    People say the Internet flourished because of the absence of government control. I do not agree with this view. I argue that in any country, if the government opposed Internet service, how do you get Internet service?
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  7. Re:Screw em shut it down. by amliebsch · · Score: 5, Funny
    How is the UN going to "Take" Control ?

    I'm not sure how exactly, but it will in some way involve black helicopters.

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  8. Alfred E. Neuman said it better... by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The U.N. is a place where governments opposed to free speech demand to be heard!"

  9. As a US citizen... by d_p · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I look forward to ignoring UN regulation.

  10. A chinese guy by nnnneedles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A chinese communist telling us how the internet should run. That's like having an impotent virgin gay man telling me how to fuck my wife.

    I say we start by censoring this guys mouth, then he can tell us whatever he wants.

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  11. Re:Predictable enough by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The solution to spam is not government intervention, but better mail protocols. All the laws in the world are not going to fix spam, worms, spyware and various types of net attacks. Better protocols and network management are the solution to that. If governments want to help, then fund the research that will allow these things to advance.

    What really concerns me is that if there were some sort of UN-sponsored treaty, certain countries that don't respect the ideas of free speech (these countries shall remain nameless) might want to include language that would allow them to interfere with activities lawful in other states. Simply put I think many governments fear a free and uncontrolled Internet. The idea that their citizens can directly, or indirectly through proxies, read things that the government doesn't think "proper" drives them up the wall. The Internet is teaching these governments fear, and now they will try to use the UN as a tool to restrain what they view as dangerous knowledge.

    I do not have sufficient faith in the UN as it is presently constituted to actually protect what I consider my basic human rights. I do not want an entire mode of expression to be set on a plate where rights-violating states have any ability to moderate what I see.

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  12. and a Private US Company is better??? by a16 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really think the majority of replies to this thread have a very limited understanding of the current situation - we're seeing a classic example of what happens when you post the a story involving the 'UN' and 'China' to a mostly-American site.

    I'll put this simply. I'm connected through a UK ISP, using UK bandwidth and networks, using UK owned equipment, and connected other than slashdot to mostly european sites/servers. All of this is being governed and controlled by a private registered company in the USA, and they have the power to make policy changes that affect my current happy arangement, without any kind of monitoring or regulation.

    Do you honestly feel that your information, and the Internet, is safer in the hands of a private unregulated "not for profit" US registered company that is given it's power by the US government and gives most (if not all) of it's contracts for vital services to US for-profit companies?

    Put aside your opinions on the UN and how they don't agree with everything the US says for a minute and realise that in an ideal world, an international democractic UN backed organisation to control the future of an international network is the way things should be. The UN is the best chance we have of this happening. Now I'll be the first to admit the UN aren't perfect, however run correctly (ie. by a team of technical-background individuals from multiple nations, who answer to the UN as a whole) this would be the best way to manage the worldwide Internet as we know it today. This would be infinitely better than the current US private company having full control over the world's Internet experience.

    Of course, all of this is wasted, having browsed through the comments so far it it seems people are posting before thinking after seeing 'UN' on their lovely US site. And this is exactly why the situation will never change - after all, can you really see the US giving control of the web to an international organsiation? It's simply not going to happen, and nobody has the power to make them.