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Private .US Registrations Disallowed by NTIA

jnetsurfer writes "Apparently, the National Telecommunications and Information Administration ("NTIA") has decided that domains under the TLD .US have no right to privacy. New domain names ending in .US will not be able to be registered as "private" and current owners of .US names will be forced to reveal their contact information starting "no later than January 26, 2006". This means that you can't run an annonymous website with a .US TLD. If you don't like this, feel free to sign the petition."

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  1. I'd sign the petition... by drafalski · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...but I don't want to give out my name, adress, email, et cetera.

    1. Re:I'd sign the petition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course, there is a huge problem with putting domain ownership contact information out in the public. Not everyone is a business and not everyone has a PO box.

      There are plenty of ignorant people out there who can only react to differing opinions, beliefs or behavior with threats and violence. I run a very popular niche goth site and, while I'm not exactly goth myself, there are a lot of people out there who react to things like the school shooting this month by making threats to anyone they can find that fits whatever their own perverted (media-given) impression of a "goth" or "punk" is.

      Or, perhaps, a woman running an abortion rights action site who would like to keep her information private. Last thing you want to be is in the crosshairs of some religious nut who believes god is directing him or her to save the fetuses by blowing your brains out.

      There are any number of valid reasons to want to maintain some sort of privacy to keep the freaks and nutcases from tracking you down. The most violent thing I've ever seen a goth kid do is pick his nose. But I tell you, I sure was thinking about going into hiding recently when the school shooting occurred.

    2. Re:I'd sign the petition... by Maestro4k · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Likewise, an anonymously registered and maintained TLD is useful for only a few things. Most of them wrong. I.e. you can knowingly publish libelous material as long as nobody knows it was put out by you.
      • Don't get spammed much do you? I recently registered two domains, both will have a quasi-business site on them, both very valid public sites. I registered them privately on purpose, I don't want any more spam because of domain registrations.
      • Back in the mid 1990s I registered two domains. Spam wasn't the problem it is now at the time, and I used a permanent E-mail address. A few years after that I started getting spammed constantly, mostly trying to push other domains or other domain registars at me, along with the weak phishing-type scams trying to make me think my domain had expired. Since then, even though the domains no longer exist, the amount of spam at that address has risen drastically. It gets hundreds a day now, and most of them can be attributed back to registering two domain names. Personally I think you'd be nuts to register a domain either non-privately or with any real contact info nowadays. Spammers will still mine the whois databases, they don't care about the rules prohibiting it.

        There are other good reasons as well. What about people who have a stalker? Rape victims or other violent crime victims? Identity theft victims, or those wanting to avoid becoming one? Political activists who don't want bricks thrown through their windows by overzealous people of opposite beliefs?

        There are many VERY good reasons to want a private registration, very few of which are "wrong". Private registration also does not mean you're free from the law. My real contact info is in escrow with the proxy service, if they get a subpoena they will release my real info to the police. I'm still bound by the law, I just am no longer bound by the spammers.

    3. Re:I'd sign the petition... by Malor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Personally, I don't like the fact that as a private citizen that wants to host his own email server, I have to reveal my real name, phone number, and ADDRESS to every human being on the globe with access to WHOIS.

      This can be badly misused, and has been already by spammers. I get an enormous amount of spam aimed at my (formerly) published contact emails, and a lot of it comes in complete with the (obsolete) address data from back then. The ONLY way they could have gotten this information is from WHOIS, and I'm not happy about them having it; they have no legitimate reason to be in possession of that data.

      I really like what Namecheap is doing. For an extra five or six bucks a year, they'll hide your real address and give you an anonymized contact address... mail sent to this random address will be forwarded to your real email, invisibly to the sender. So, if there is a problem with your domain, you are still contactable. If there's a legal problem with a domain, then of course the real info is going to be available to any form of law enforcement.

      But it's hidden from the casual spammer/identity thief, and I am very, very happy about this.

      Requiring people to publish information about a domain is sort of a presumption of guilt...."if you're innocent, you have nothing to hide!" Well, I am innocent and I have plenty to hide...like where I live. If I want to host an mail or a web server, my responsibility is to make sure I can be contacted in case of problems. My responsibility is not and never was to tell you exactly who and where I am, no matter what ICANN happens to think.

  2. Who cares, it's a stupid domain anyway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Get a .COM

    1. Re:Who cares, it's a stupid domain anyway by Erwos · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Life isn't fair. And when some other country makes their own new Internet, they can take the base TLDs, too.

      This is a rather mean-spirited way of saying "the US originally funded development of the Internet, ergo TLDs are US-centric". Get over it.

      -Erwos

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  3. Godaddy by TheFlu · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's the email I received from Godaddy.com regarding this issue:

    "Today I have the unfortunate responsibility of informing you that there has been a decision made by bureaucrats of a Federal agency that takes away your right to privacy as guaranteed by the United States Constitution.

    This decision was unilaterally made by the National Telecommunications and Information Association ("NTIA") www.ntia.doc.gov without hearings that would determine the impact on those affected, and delivered without notice -- in short, the NTIA decision was made without due process of any kind. This is exactly how our government is not supposed to work.

    The effect of this decision is to disallow new private domain name registrations on .US domain names. In addition, if you already own a private .US domain name registration, you will be forced to forfeit your privacy no later than January 26, 2006. By that time, you will need to choose between either making your personal information available to anyone who wants to see it, or giving up your right to that domain name.

    I personally find it ironic that our right to .US privacy was stripped away, without due process, by a federal government agency -- an agency that should be looking out for our individual rights. For the NTIA to choose the .US extension is the ultimate slap in your face. .US is the only domain name that is specifically intended for Americans (and also those who have a physical presence in our great country). So think about this for a moment. These bureaucrats stripped away the privacy that you're entitled to as an American, on the only domain name that says that you are an American. I am outraged by this -- you should be also.

    If, like me, you are outraged at the NTIA's decision to strip away our constitutional right to privacy, www.TheDangerOfNoPrivacy.com will provide you with a petition to sign. (Only your name will be published, your address and email information will be kept private.) This Web site also provides a very easy way for you to send either a fax or an email, expressing your outrage, to your Congressperson and Senators. This is all provided at no cost to you. All that is required is for you to take the time to visit www.TheDangerOfNoPrivacy.com sign the petition, and send the fax or email to your legislators.

    On my personal Blog, www.BobParsons.com there are a number of articles where you can learn more about the NTIA's unfortunate decision and what you can do to help get it reversed.

    I also will be talking about our right to privacy on Radio Go Daddy, our weekly radio show that debuts today, March 30, at 7 PM PST. To find out how to listen in, please visit the Web site dedicated to the show, www.RadioGoDaddy.com.

    You can be sure that I, and everyone at GoDaddy.com, will do everything in our power to get the NTIA decision reversed. However, we need your help. Please visit www.TheDangerOfNoPrivacy.com to sign the petition and express your feelings to your Congressperson and Senators.

    Sincerely,

    Bob Parsons
    President and Founder
    GoDaddy.com"

    1. Re:Godaddy by warkda+rrior · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bob says:
      These bureaucrats stripped away the privacy that you're entitled to as an American

      There is no such entitlement (compared to EU, for example).

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  4. Use a third-party to register your domain by bigtallmofo · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are many third parties that will register your domain name with valid contact information that isn't related to you at all.

    Other than that, it should be pointed out that ICANN has had a rule for years that you must have valid contact information in your WHOIS records. Of course, they've also ignored that same rule for years.

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    1. Re:Use a third-party to register your domain by tuxette · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Aw crap, you beat me to saying "use (trusted) third parties to register your domain name." *sigh*

      So while we're on the topic of third parties, some questions:

      - has there been any discussion surrounding banning the use of these third parties?

      - what are the laws/rules/liabilities/etc. regarding the relationship between third parties and the government, and third parties and their customers, in dealing with issues between the government and a customer?

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  5. Am I missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was under the impression that DNS ownership records for other TLDs (E.g. .com) had to be publically? At least in theory, it should also be geniune and correct.

    Why should .us be a special case? Being able to find accurate data from a simple whois is an important tool for a lot of network administrators.

  6. Good by Erik+Hensema · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One less TLD for spammers to abuse.

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    1. Re:Good by Godman · · Score: 3, Informative

      One less? You didn't RTFA. This makes ALL us registrations public, meaning that you can't, for a fee, keep your information out of the whois records. This is one more domain for the spammers to harvest from.

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  7. Abolition of non-country post-fixed TLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I believe that all .com and .net etc... should be a subset of a country suffix. Too many companys and organisations hide their origin as .com is too generic.
    and this to me blurrs what specific law applies to what information.

  8. So get a domain in Denmark by Snaller · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Danish hostmaster recognize the individuals right to privacy, and if you wish to be "unlisted" you can be. Of course they know who you are, and break the law they'll hand over your information to the police.

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  9. What I don't like... by Transcendent · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...is having to pay extra for my domain to be "private"... at least with godaddy.com.

    I got an e-mail from godaddy yesterday about this ruling, and the whole time I was reading it I was thinking of how godaddy is almost hypocritical in sending such an e-mail.

    They want you to sign the petition to allow you to register the .US domain anonymously, but they still want you to pay extra for it.

    Anonymity should be free.

  10. Fuc.kthe.us by Indy+Media+Watch · · Score: 3, Funny

    The owner of the domain fuc.kthe.us - reported here probably isn't going to like this...

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  11. Links to decision? by Jumbo+Jimbo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is an interesting story but the Original poster gives 2 links to the petition website but not links to the decision by the NTIA.

    By following the link from the petition site to the NTIA home page, there's nothing there about this particular decision, and some preliminary hunting hasn't shown up the relevant article for this.

    Most of the time us Slashdot readers can find the information for ourselves, but here we are being asked to sign a petition based on the evidence presented by the poster, not by reading the docs for ourselves (of cause we would all have RTFA if it was posted, obviously). I think it's a bit underhand asking us to sign this petition on an obsure decision that is not easy to find, without providing a link to the decision.

    If anyone can find a link to the decision I'd be very grateful.

  12. What's the big deal... by jmcmunn · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Most of us will pay to register them with a credit card or a check or something with our identity attached to it anyway. If anyone really wanted to find out who owns/runs the domain it wouldn't be too hard. Most of the time, they could also figure it out by tracing where it is hosted and finding some information on who pays the bills there as well.

    If you want a free (and anonymous) web page, sign up for some cheesy service online where you are a subdomain of someone else. If not, then pony up and give some legit information to the company you buy the domain from.

  13. NTIA Follow up statement by nixfixer · · Score: 5, Funny

    All your domains are belong to .US

  14. .US Registry Censors Domains Too ... by Ron+Bennett · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The .US Registry has disabled and locked numerous .US domains containing "dirty" words alone, regardless of whether the domains were actually used or not.

    So much for freedom of speech and expression in .US - but then America is full of contradictions :(

    I've owned FuckCensorship.COM / .ORG / .NET for years and never had any problems ... yet, my FuckCensorship.US domain was only active for a short time and then disabled/locked.

    In short, .US domains are best avoided for anything critical ... not solely because of the censorship issues, but rather more so because the .US Registry changes polices willy nilly with little regard to registrants.

    Domain Name FUCKCENSORSHIP.US
    Domain ID D1877066-US
    Sponsoring Registrar INTERCOSMOS MEDIA GROUP, INC. D.B.A. DIRECTNIC.COM
    Domain Status serverDeleteProhibited
    Domain Status serverTransferProhibited
    Domain Status serverUpdateProhibited
    Registrant ID IMG-146583
    Registrant Name Ron Bennett
    Registrant Organization Ron Bennett
    Registrant Address1 PO BOX 6532
    Registrant City Wyomissing
    Registrant State/Province PA
    Registrant Postal Code 19610-0532
    Registrant Country United States
    Registrant Country Code US
    Registrant Phone Number +1.6107776566
    Registrant Email bennett@wyomissing.com
    Registrant Application Purpose P1
    Registrant Nexus Category C11
    Administrative Contact ID IMG-146583
    Administrative Contact Name Ron Bennett
    Administrative Contact Organization Ron Bennett
    Administrative Contact Address1 PO BOX 6532
    Administrative Contact City Wyomissing
    Administrative Contact State/Province PA
    Administrative Contact Postal Code 19610-0532
    Administrative Contact Country United States
    Administrative Contact Country Code US
    Administrative Contact Phone Number +1.6107776566
    Administrative Contact Email bennett@wyomissing.com
    Administrative Contact Application Purpose P1
    Administrative Contact Nexus Category C11
    Billing Contact ID IMG-146583
    Billing Contact Name Ron Bennett
    Billing Contact Organization Ron Bennett
    Billing Contact Address1 PO BOX 6532
    Billing Contact City Wyomissing
    Billing Contact State/Province PA
    Billing Contact Postal Code 19610-0532
    Billing Contact Country United States
    Billing Contact Country Code US
    Billing Contact Phone Number +1.6107776566
    Billing Contact Email bennett@wyomissing.com
    Billing Contact Application Purpose P1
    Billing Contact Nexus Category C11
    Technical Contact ID IMG-146583
    Technical Contact Name Ron Bennett
    Technical Contact Organization Ron Bennett
    Technical Contact Address1 PO BOX 6532
    Technical Contact City Wyomissing
    Technical Contact State/Province PA
    Technical Contact Postal Code 19610-0532
    Technical Contact Country United States
    Technical Contact Country Code US
    Technical Contact Phone Number +1.6107776566
    Technical Contact Email bennett@wyomissing.com
    Technical Contact Application Purpose P1
    Technical Contact Nexus Category C11
    Name Server INVALIDNS1.NEUSTAR.COM
    Name Server INVALIDNS2.NEUSTAR.COM
    Created by Registrar INTERCOSMOS MEDIA GROUP, INC. D.B.A. DIRECTNIC.COM
    Last Updated by Registrar BATCHCSR
    Domain Registration Date Wed Apr 24 17:52:47 GMT+00:00 2002
    Domain Expiration Date Sat Apr 23 23:59:59 GMT+00:00 2005
    Domain Last Updated Date Sat Apr 24 04:35:46 GMT+00:00 2004

    Whois database was last updated on: Thu Mar 31 13:14:23 GMT 2005

  15. Re:Good - uh, think again by gorbachev · · Score: 4, Informative

    This has NOTHING to do with spam or spammers.

    A Mailboxes, Etc. address is just as anonymous as a fake address.

    If you really need to know the contact information, you can subpoena the billing information for the domain. That can NOT be forged, unless the owner also wants to do time for credit card fraud.

    These sort of rules only inconvenience ordinary people, who wish to remain anonymous for one reason or another.

    My reason to always put fake info (it looks real though) in my domain registrations is that I don't want the net.kooks come knock on my door every time they get upset about what I publish on the websites. If they want to contact me, they either use email or subpoena the billing info (which is not fake).

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  16. Constitutional right to privacy by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The constitutional right to privacy in the United States springs from an interpretation of the Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable search and seizure combined with the et-cetera clauses in the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.

    1. Re:Constitutional right to privacy by Fastolfe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When you buy land, or register a name for your business, you have to provide certain details about yourself to your local government, which becomes public information.

      Why is this any different? Why does a "constitutional right to privacy" not apply to these situations, but should apply to someone registering a DNS domain? A DNS domain is intended to reflect an administrative domain over Internet infrastructure. We need published contact information if you intend on connecting infrastructure to the Internet when that infrastructure is significant enough to warrant its own second-level DNS domain. If you intend to (ab)use a DNS domain as a content label for your Interweb content, you need to be aware of what the DNS domain is intended to represent, and be prepared to abide by the requirements that result from that even though you aren't using your DNS domain for what it was designed.

      It's like me going downtown and buying a lot of land just so that I can post some signs carrying some anti-government statements, and then balking because the evil government wants me to identify myself as the owner of that parcel of land. I don't have to own that land in order to exercise my right to free speech. You don't have to own your own little DNS domain in order to have a web outlet for your content.

  17. Ban Dihydrogen Oxide!!! by ecklesweb · · Score: 4, Informative

    The thing that aggravated me about godaddy's letter (yeah, I got that email too) is that there is absolutely NO information directly from the NTIA about what the policy is, says, how it was arrived at, what the goal is, or when they believe the results will be. This petition drive has thus far been a completely one-sided story. As a result, I have to think that anyone who would sign the petition, save those that have managed to dig up more info that I have, are just drinking the koolaid.

    I will fault NTIA for apparently having no mention of the policy on their website (at least last time I checked yesterday). There's no rational reason for them to either set new policy like this or start enforcing existing policy without hearings or public comment. It's even less excuable that after the fact they won't provide their side of the story. They refused comment in the couple of media stories I saw about this.

    By the way, that's right, it's not a new policy, it's enforcement of a previously unenforced existing policy. So for that, I think some blame may lay on the registrars who allowed proxy registrations for .us domains. Shame on them if they failed to inform the registrants that a proxy registration of a .us domain was technically a violation of NTIA policy. If they did inform registrants, then the registrants should have seen this coming.

  18. If ICANN, UCAN2! by http101 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The ironic part is, anyone saying this is going to stop spammers from sending spam, IS WRONG. Spam is mostly send from over-seas servers and enters the US from, you guessed it, a big fat internet pipeline. Sure, the spammers might get a phone call or two, but the spamming won't stop.

    As for providing false information, an article on the CircleID website quotes, "It is now illegal to provide false information when registering a domain name." It goes on to say, "Last year, there was a brief attempt to make registrars responsible for the accuracy of the Whois database. Fortunately, that legislation failed. What did become law was a new, stiff penalty (7 years) for providing false WHOIS information. While this looming jail time might have some sway over US-based crooks, it will do little to get accurate information from those who live overseas." As I mentioned before, this is merely a flesh-wound in stopping the spam-war.

    My greatest fear is having someone show up on my doorstep with intent to harm my family, property, or myself because that person wants my domain name. And as it seems with almost every law in America, it takes spilled blood to have those laws abolished or less, modified in some feeble attempt to make a slight few of us happy.

    What needs to happen is the placement of an organization who tracks the "licensing" of domains and their registrants. If I were to require contact with a site operator, I would first have to call them to obtain contact information, however, that information would be limited to a mailing address, NOT a home address, name, phone number, and email.

    Registration would require a name and a mailing address (NOT a home address). If a mailing address is not possible, then a phone number and email may be relinquished by the domain host. The registrant has the option of unlisting this information completely, however, contact/complaints must be made through the organization. A failure to comply with requests from the organization within 30 calendar days would ultimately mean a "freeze" on the domain. After 90 days (60 days from the beginning of a domain freeze), the domain is wiped off the face of the internet. This should light a fire under anyone's ass.

    This may not sound like the most 'perfect' plan, though is a lot better than what's in place now. And you may be thinking, "we already have an organization that does that," but no, ICANN functions like a cat, lying around all day, looking pretty, propping up a leg in the corner of the room to lick itself and essentially, just look pretty. We need an organization that isn't afraid of grabbing some sack to make things happen.

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  19. Re:Most people with privacy needs don't need a dom by macdaddy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Like it or not, the purpose of a DNS domain is to identify a namespace for hosts under your control. In short, a DNS domain reflects Internet infrastructure, not some vanity content label. If you're going to connect infrastructure to the Internet, you should be prepared to announce your identity to the rest of the Internet so that if/when you cause problems, you can be contacted.

    Do you own a car? If so then you are part of the automotive infrastructure of whatever state/country you live in. What would you say if a government agency unilaterally required that all members of the automotive infrastructure post their name, address and telephone number in big bold letters on all their vehicles? That way all the other members of the automotive infrastructure can clearly see your identity so that if/when you cause problems, you can be contacted. Sound good to you? It must because that's exactly what you're condoning for the owners of .us TLDs.

    This is not 1988. The Internet can't be summed up in a hosts file. Get your head out of the glory days of the past and join the rest of us in the real world.

  20. Re:Most people with privacy needs don't need a dom by Excelsior · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Typically, the only reason individuals want their own second-level DNS domain is vanity.

    So what? If I'm willing to pay money for a product for my own vanity, and someone is willing to sell it, that's what commerce is all about. Should I not be allowed to anonymously purchase a mirror at the store for my purposes of vanity?

    If you're going to connect infrastructure to the Internet, you should be prepared to announce your identity to the rest of the Internet so that if/when you cause problems, you can be contacted.

    Says who? All Internet users connect our infrastructure to the Internet every single time we access the Internet, which is 24/7 for a big chunk of the public. That doesn't mean that everyone connecting to the Internet should be identifiable. That would be absolute insanity. Part of what I enjoy about the Internet is being able to do things freely without concern that I am identifiable.

    If you don't want to connect infrastructure to the Internet, and just want an outlet for your speech, again, there are plenty of ways to do that that don't involve your own little DNS domain.

    So what? Just because there are alternative mediums doesn't make it okay. The Internet is clearly the single most useful medium for the average person to disseminate information. It is very important that a person be comfortable using the medium without fear of identification. Only then do you have true freedom of speech on the Internet.

    If we cannot expect total freedom on a .us domain, how can we ever expect that to be true of a .cn (China) domain? Americans hold the U.S. to be a shining example of freedom, but clearly .us is not an example of freedom.