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3 Electronic Maestros Interviewed

thesixthreplicant writes "New Scientist interviews 3 pioneers of electronic music: Bob Moog, the inventor of the first commercial synthesiser, the Moog; Australian Peter Vogel, creator of the first electronic sampler, the Fairlight (16 bit sampling in 1979!); and Dave Smith, the father of MIDI."

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  1. The Fairlight wasn't 16-bit until 1985 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Fairlight wasn't 16-bit until 1985, when the Fairlight Series III came out. The Synclaviar was 16-bit before then (I think 1984 or so) and AMS had a 16-bit digital delay that could work as a primitive 16-bit sampler (Used in "Joanna" among other songs) around 1983 or 1984.

  2. Just in case... by ImaLamer · · Score: 4, Informative
    From Wikipedia:
    One of the most mispronounced names in popular culture, the surname "Moog" is of Dutch origin, and is properly pronounced "moague", to rhyme with "vogue" and "rogue".
  3. stylophone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    What? no rolf harris for the stylophone?

  4. Re:A little help please.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    I don't use P2P software, but the synth in the video is, as I recall, a Fairlight

    Other common synths seen in 1980s music videos:

  5. Giorgio Moroder by Hao+Wu · · Score: 3, Funny

    Giorgio Moroder reigns Lord and inventor of electronic music. His pop-flavor made some think the man is Satan himself, but it was groundbreaking nonetheless.

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  6. I'd rather pay Dave by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "and Dave Smith, the father of MIDI." "

    I'd rather pay Dave when I installed ringtones on my cell phone than pay the cell company.

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  7. Delia Derbyshire - Dr. Who. by Col.+Bloodnok · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://www.delia-derbyshire.org/

    Delia Derbyshire.

    Hugely overlooked, very interesting music.

    She created the Dr. Who theme and was a huge influence on the BBC radiophonic workshop. BBC Radio 4 did a very interesting afternoon play about her recently.

    1. Re:Delia Derbyshire - Dr. Who. by radarsat1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      it's not a competition.. he's just mentioning another very influencial name here.

      Derbyshire did a lot of really interesting (and yes, pioneering) studio work, involving manipulating taped sine waves and all sorts of weird stuff. Chill out. Almost everyone who was working on electronic music in those days was part of inventing the tools to do so. It's not like she sat down for 5 minutes with Reason.

  8. Re:Pioneers? by dangitman · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Was I the only one expecting the article to be about the genre which Kraftwerk is hailed as a pioneer of?

    Karftwerk are great, and indeed defined the style of the electronic music genre. Indeed, Kraftwerk's sound is still heard in modern electronic music, over 30 years later. Wendy (Walter) Carlos was also a key contributor to composing electronic music - but she relied on Robert Moog's technology to make her music. All decent electronic artists acknowledge the work of the engineers and scientists who built the equipment that bands like Kraftwerk used. After all, without these tools, research and instruments, how would the artists be able to make the music? Also, for a more modern example think of Robin Whittle - who modified synthesizers for tons of modern electronic artists - yet is not a musician or composer hmself.

    I have owned several Moog synthesizers, and IMO, Moog is one of the people most responsible for bringing us the way we use electronic instruments in practice. The Moog is still an awesome synthesizer to use.

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  9. Remember those .mod files? by Douglas+Simmons · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Back in the day when bandwidth was an issue, there was a format that was half midi half sound samples. The sound was convincing (ie it didn't sound like a cheap keyboard) considering the size and it was a good compromise between a file containing essentially sheet music and a straight-up 50 meg wave file. Whoever came up with that, high five.

    1. Re:Remember those .mod files? by don.g · · Score: 2, Informative

      MOD files were used with Amiga computers -- it's no accident that the format (four voices, 8-bit samples) maps directly to what the Amiga's sound hardware was capable of doing.

      Later similar file formats like S3M utilised more advanced sound hardware available for the PC, like the Gravis Ultrasound (or the alternative for those of us with less money, a lot of CPU time). Not being stuck with the limitations of the Amiga's sound hardware, these were capable of producing higher quality sound.

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    2. Re:Remember those .mod files? by Explo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The father of the .mod files is Karsten Obarski (I can still remember listening the Sleepwalk and other pretty much very first mods, how damn fine they sounded those days around '87...)

      As an old-time Amiga fan, I'll have to note that there were also trackers (as the .mod and friends composing programs were/are known) that could play more than 4 sounds on the basic Amiga 500 sound hardware since late 80's. OctaMED (these days pretty much Windows only, but older Amiga versions do exist), Digibooster Pro and Octalzyer are good examples of these.

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  10. Re:The Synthesizer by Aneurysm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, there's nothing wrong with it. My guess is that the version omitting the z is the English version and the one with the z is the American, as in Britain we tend to use the s rather than the z in words similar to this, ie desensitise, moralise, formalise.

  11. 120 Years Of Electronic Music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    i hate it when people say "XXXXXX was the first" without even looking it up, 0.75 seconds on a quick google search says

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    120 Years Of Electronic Music

    Origins:

    The origins of electronic music can be traced back to the audio analytical work of Hermann Ludwig Ferdinand von Helmholtz (1821-1894) the German physicist, mathematician and author of the seminal work "SENSATIONS OF TONE: Psychological Basis for Theory of Music" (c1860). Helmholtz built an electronically controlled instrument to analyse combinations of tones the "Helmholtz Resonator", using electromagnetically vibrating metal tines and glass or metal resonating spheres the machine could be used for analysing the constituent tones that create complex natural sounds. Helmholtz was concerned solely with the scientific analysis of sound and had no interest in direct musical applications, the theoretical musical ideas were provided by Ferruccio Busoni, the Italian composer and pianists who's influential essay "Sketch of a New Aesthetic of Music" was inspired by accounts of Thaddeus Cahill's 'Telharmonium'.
    1870-1915: Early Experiments

    The first electronic instruments built from 1870 to 1915 used a variety of techniques to generate sound: the tone wheel (used in the Telharmonium and the Chorelcello)- a rotating metal disk in a magnetic field causing variations in an electrical signal, an electronic spark causing direct fluctuations in the air (used uniquely in William Duddell's "Singing Arc' in 1899) and Elisha Grey's self vibrating electromagnetic circuit in the 'Electronic Telegraph', a spin-off from telephone technology. The tone wheel was to survive until the 1950's in the Hammond Organ but the experiments with self oscillating circuits and electric arcs were discontinued with the development of vacuum tube technology.
    1915-1960: The Vacuum Tube Era.

    The engineer and prolific US inventor Lee De Forest patented the first Vacuum tube or triode in 1906, a refinement of John A. Fleming's electronic valve. The Vacuum tube's main use was in radio technology but De Forest discovered that it was possible to produce audible sounds from the tubes by a process known as heterodyning. twentieth century by radio engineers experimenting with radio vacuum tubes. Heterodyning effect is created by two high radio frequency sound waves of similar but varying frequency combining and creating a lower audible frequency, equal to the difference between the two radio frequencies (approximately 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz). De Forest was one amongst several engineers to realise the musical potential of the heterodyning effect and in 1915 created a musical instrument, the "Audion Piano" . Other instruments to first exploit the vacuum tube were the 'Theremin' (1917) 'Ondes Martenot' (1928), the 'Sphäraphon' (1921) the 'Pianorad' (1926). The Vacuum tube was to remain the primary type of audio synthesis until the invention of the integrated circuit in the 1960's.
    1960-1980: Integrated Circuits.

    Integrated Circuits came into widespread use in the early 1960's. Inspired by the writings of the German instrument designer Harald Bode, Robert Moog, Donald Buchla and others created a new generation of easy to use, reliable and popular electronic instruments.
    1980-present: Digital.

    The next and current generation of electronic instruments were the digital synthesisers of the 1980s. These synthesisers were software controlled offering complex control over various forms of synthesis previously only available on extremely expensive studio synthesisers. Early models of this generation included the Yamaha DX range and the Casio CZ synthesisers.

    http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/intro.html

  12. Re:Luddites! by northcat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is not about Electronic Music, the genre. This is about music in electronic form. This has nothing to do with the genre.

  13. Fairlight & Moog by 0m3gaMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Both watershed instruments of their day.

    I got to meet Dr. Moog (rhymes with 'vogue') about ten years ago. Affable, intelligent guy. He's the Les Paul/Leo Fender of the synthesizer. His current company is Big Briar, which make very cool (albeit expensive) effects pedals.

    Fairlight: The "original" OS9! ;-) For anybody who wants a sample (heh) of what the Fairlight CMI can do, Jan Hammer really brought it to the fore with his contributions to the 'Miami Vice' sountrack. I believe the CMI is also on Herbie Hancock's 'Future Shock' album and his others of the mid-80s.

    1. Re:Fairlight & Moog by macshit · · Score: 2, Informative

      His current company is Big Briar, which make very cool (albeit expensive) effects pedals.

      His company is now called Moog Music -- previously there was somebody else who owned the rights to the name "Moog", but apparently he's won them back. I'm not sure if he's retired the name Big Briar or whether they simply exist in parallel.

      Their signature product is a modern version of the classic Minimoog synthesizer, called the Minimoog Voyager -- very, very cool (albeit expensive :-).

      Also check out Dave Smith's current company, Dave Smith Instruments. They make a similarly cool, though quite different (and much less expensive) synthesizer called the Evolver, and are currently gearing up for a keyboard version.

      One interesting thing is that both Moog and Dave Smith clearly have taken to heart the experience of having had their respective companies fail in the '70s, and seem to be trying very hard to avoid the excesses which caused those previous failures. Until fairly recently, I think D.S.I. was basically a one-man company (and still, if you send email with a problem or suggestion, it will probably be Dave Smith who answers...).

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  14. 'gue' ? more like *horrible choking sound* by Animaether · · Score: 3, Informative

    The 'gue' in 'Vogue' and 'Rogue' is quite different from a 'g' in the dutch 'Loog', 'Toog', etc.

    That 'g' is more like a horrible choking sound - I'd sound it out and put it on my site (I'm Dutch), but no thanks :)

  15. List is incomplete without Kurzweil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ray Kurzweil is notably absent from the Maestro list....

  16. Early Fairlights were the true classics. by Dzimas · · Score: 3, Informative
    Hmm. E-mu Systems released their first 8-bit sampler around 1980, as I recall - within months of the first crude Fairlight.

    The classic Fairlight sound came from the Fairlight Series II (1982) and Series IIx (1983, with faster processor and factory-MIDI) defined the classsic "Fairlight" sound, not the Series III - so 16-bit is meaningless here. The Series II used variable speed playback, rather than skipping samples in a wavetable to speed up/slow down the sound. When combined with some fantastic analog filters, the sound was something special, with a great low-end. The other part of the magic was "Page R" -- the realtime 8-track (single note) sequencer that allowed you to work with the Series II's lightpen in a pseudo-graphical environment (ASCII characters in a music sequencing grid).

    By the time the Series III came out, E-mu had released several samplers including the Emulator I and II (both 8 bit, although the II used companding A/D-D/A converters to give a higer signal to noise). The Series III lost the coloured magic of the Series II sound by using increasingly perfect 16-bit recording, and it wasn't long before companies like Akai started making $5000 16-bit samplers that put Fairlight out of business.

  17. What about John Chowning.... by Rod+Beauvex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...inventor of FM Synthesis?

  18. Appropriate by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 4, Interesting


    I was just yesterday viewing a video from Teacher's TV of Jim and Caroline Corr and a sound engineer showing how they produced one of their songs.

    I was struck by the fact that it starts from a few basic chords and by the time they get done with it, it takes 50 or 60 laid-down tracks to produce what you hear on the record - which is then "duplicated" on stage by six people and some instruments for the live performance...

    What struck me is how a live performance sounds much (if not exactly) like the record with far fewer electronic efforts. Makes you wonder if the electronic effects are really worth it. Obviously it many cases, depending on the song, it is. Enya, for example, can hardly play her stuff live at all because of the production values in her records. But others, like the Corrs, have no problem.

    Would it be more cost effective for many bands to drop the effects and play it "straight"? In some cases, maybe, in others, it might be a disaster.

    I've noticed that Andrea Corr's voice is sometimes barely recognizable on the record - due to the fact that I have seen her sing live (on video) more often than I've heard the recorded songs. So I'm more used to her "real" voice than the processed and synthesized one. This effect only fades if I watch a video where the Corrs lip-sync to the record (which many TV shows appearances require).

    I tend to prefer the "real" voice to the processed one. I wonder how many others prefer their favorite singer's "real" voice over the recorded versions? Or a "real" performance over a "produced" one?

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    1. Re:Appropriate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      One of the 'problems' with this, the reason it doesn't happen all that much, is because most musicians and/or producers are artists. They think like artists and behave like artists. If they could, they'd make their live performances sound more like the CDs, not the other way around.

      A lot of songs are actually written in the studio during the recording period .. Somebody has some ideas for lyrics, somebody thinks they've got something that will go well with it, and so on .. the addition of 'effects' is a live part of the recording process.

      Bands on low budgets or who've never recorded before usually come in with whole songs, ready to go .. this can be a minor nightmare for the recording technician depending on the quality of the players, the instruments being used, and the studio .. but in general it's what creates the "I like their old stuff better than their new stuff" phenomenon..

      When they've got a budget, a contract to make an album, or they're a band signed to a label which has affiliations with the studio, they usually don't come in with much at all .. They've often been touring until the week before, promoting their previous album. They come in with scraps of lyrics, they try to remember a few riffs they thought of one night .. They have no choice but to use the recording process as an integral part of the music creation .. The mixing and effects are another instrument in the band.

  19. Yes, there were other, even commercial, pioneers by antispam_ben · · Score: 4, Informative

    the man that fucking INVENTED sampling

    'Sampling' was first done in the analog domain, by an instrument named the Mellotron. It had an organ keyboard with a magnetic tape, tape head, and capstan mechanism under each key, and activated whem the key was pressed. The samples were factory-recorded (for new sounds you had to record a new tape for each key) and the machine was playback-only, but it fits the name sampler. It was used by the Beatles ("Strawberry Fields Forever"), King Crimson, and most of the Moody Blues albums of the '60's and '70's, among others. And yes, the Mellotron was a commercial product.

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  20. And what about Les Paul by gnu-sucks · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lets see... Les Paul invented:

    1) Multitrack recording

    2) Echo, and flange effects

    3) Electric Guitar

    4) Electronic Synth

    I mean, come on people...

  21. film out by rishistar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This comes up as a slashdot story the day after I get info about a Moog film being shown at my local cinema.

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