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Games That Shoot Back
syousef writes "A shooting game that shoots back, delivering electric shocks through the player's hips when they're shot, is being used for recruitment (Hey shooting people is fun) and training by the U.S. military. There's talk of developing it into a PC game. Here's a quote from the article: 'It has the same power as a stun gun. It knocks you down. You have to continue to work through the pain and keep on fighting, as that is what you need to do - to keep on fighting even when wounded.' I guess in Soviet America, games shoot you. How many law suits would this cause based on unknown heart conditions? I also hope there's some sort of built-in safety in case the thing starts to zap you repeatedly. (Deadly endless loop, anyone?)"
Who will be the first to write malware that actually kills people?
When you're afraid to download music illegally in your own home, then the terrorists have won!
The adult industry... in some sick and perverted way.
In some countries this will land you in jail. When I was in the UK I was shocked to discover that two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home are not legally permitted to beat the shit out of each other. "Brawling" is an offense of the crown and you can be put away for it. Of course, it's an unenforcable law when you're in private, but in public it's common for two people who have agreed to fight to be sent to prison for it. How insane is that? Here in Australia if you ask someone to "step outside" the law will usually not get involved.
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I find it a bit sickening that the military is producing games to attract people to join. Aren't games supposed to be fun? Are they hoping for gamers to think "hmm- this game is fun, I think I'll join the army so I can HAVE FUN KILLING PEOPLE IN REAL LIFE." ?
Does anybody else find that unsettling?
Esoteric reference.
"I guess in Soviet America, games shoot you. How many law suits would this cause based on unknown heart conditions? I also hope there's some sort of built-in safety in case the thing starts to zap you repeatedly. (Deadly endless loop, anyone?)" "
It's interesting that the first thing that would cross your mind would be "Soviet America" and "Lawsuits".
Sorry, you just contridicted your otherwise consistent anti american views.
But I digress: You never entered the military, otherwise you would know that far more 'rigorous' training takes place than merely getting a few shocks down your hip from a video game. You have no idea what goes on, and thus your views present that of a bias unfounded. You hate America, granted, but don't worry slacker - you'll never be cut for the military with that attitude.
But aren't you glad that people like myself defend your civilian ass while you bicker over A dead woman on a feeding tube, a child molesting black/white/whatever singer and whether or not a plaque with the 10 commandments offends you in a place where most Americans will never be - in a courtroom?
Relax, young sir. You'll never be in the military - we don't want you. You just stay here and do what you have to do with your rhetoric, and I'll do what I have to do with my weapons.
Often times a poor performance on the officers part will lead to a "shootout."
The officers are outfitted with a miles-laser type system to their service weapon. Also supplied to the officer is light body armor and a shatter resistant face shield. The simulator makes use of human-aimed air guns that fire "soft" plastic pellets at the officers.
I don't understand how these pellets mark the officers, but officer performance is determined by scoring marksman ship with the laser and marks left on the officer by the airgun. These are not "paintballs" as they are re-used repeatedly. Something similar to airsoft pellets.
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As a fellow fencer, you are an *idiot*. To start with, fencing is getting unpopular enough as it is, you want to start shocking people? More importantly, it wouldn't make it better sport. Short of the simple roman circus value, it wouldn't make any difference w/r/t "realism". the flick may be an extremely unrealistic move, but in many cases, it is simply the best move to hit someone. Unless we actually change the rules in foil/sabre to get rid of right-of-way, it will remain so. Do you want to get rid of right-of-way? And to any confused non fencers, just read the first line and skip the rest.
Hopefully the manufacturer of the device will include some kind of circuit breaker or fuse to stop a lethal shock.
two consenting adults in the privacy of their own home are not legally permitted to beat the shit out of each other
Consenting? I think the law operates as it does because in fact consenting to being beaten up is really pretty unlikely, and the vast majority of situations where this might occur are cases of domestic violence, which surely no sane person would prefer the law turned a blind eye to. If you and a mate want a fight, go ahead - but make sure you don't create a disturbance, damage property or get any third parties involved. Usually by the time you've arranged all this you can be fairly sure the law will leave you to it - but by then presumably cool heads will have prevailed and realised the whole matter can't be settled by a fight. Fights are the last refuge of the idiot, and because society at large believes that, the law upholds that view.
Well anyway, the idea that you could have a weapon with two settings, stun and kill, gee, where did the cops get the idea that this would come in handy? Turns out that it is hard to stun someone without killing them. The old detective movie cliche of stunning someone by hitting them over the head? An MD writing in TV guide told readers that "if you hit someone over the head, most likely you just hurt them and make them mad. If you hit them harder to knock them out, chances are you kill someone from a hematoma."
I have seen films where they Taser a volunteer, and they start convulsing or they just faint and tip over and hit the mat in the gym they are doing this with a thud. I have seen a recent episode of "Cops" where they Tasered a whole bunch of different people, and it didn't seem to do anything. I suppose the electric shock causes intense, sudden pain, and that can cause someone to collapse, just like being shot with a bullet, only there is no tissue damage so the person doesn't bleed to death, but does it really work? I suppose a bullet doesn't always "work" in that a person can be fatally wounded but not always drop dead right away.
Anyway, I was the only person at the meeting willing to try the Taser (it was a model with two electrodes sticking out, and it didn't have the darts for remote action). I was going to zap my forearm and I was quickly advised "better try it on your leg. So I hold the Taser up to my leg and press the trigger. I was pretty embarrassed because I yelled out "Jesus Christ!" I was more startled than anything else, and it hurt real bad, but not the kind of hurt of someone drilling into your teeth -- more like the worst kind of muscle cramp -- it really hurt but I felt like my leg muscles were seizing up.
So what does a Taser do? Does it really knock a person out like on Star Trek, or does it merely cause a person to take the Lord's name in vain? Have they made the Taser more powerful in the last 20 years? More maybe because my finger was on the trigger, I let go when it first started to hurt, and a person has to deliver multiple jolts to get someone to collapse.
Man, that's really really stupid. "Fighting never solved anything" is the most absurd statement of all time. There's this thing called testosterone that us "idiots" have which tell us that causing someone else harm will earn their respect. Arranging a fight with someone else who feels the same takes about as long as it takes to say:
"You tryin' to start something?"
"You wanna go?"
"Would you care to step outside?"
Now maybe your society at large thinks that is unacceptable behaviour, but the vast majority of males on earth think it is the most natural thing in the world. Almost every fight finishes with two men who now understand that they are powerful and deserving of respect, and subsequently treat each other such.
As for domestic violence, that's hardly the matter in question and is obviously not a case of prearranged agreemented combat.
How we know is more important than what we know.
I'll bet everyone will be camping all the time.
You mean "hiding behind something bulletproof", just like most soldiers do in a REAL WAR unless the enemy is chasing them or their officers are ordering them to move? A real firefight between a dozen soldiers can take hours, since getting anyone to "rush" is both stupid and nearly impossible.
That's why "elite units" are elite, because they will actually voluntarily put themselves in harm's way rather than only trying to stay alive. Consequently, they can make short work of conscripts and half-trained farm boys.
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Yeah, I saw that episode of Mythbusters. Why should someone be sued or fired? People touch those cattle, electric fences accidentally everyday. Shit, I've been shocked by one, and I wasn't looking to sue my grandfather. Sure it hurts, but it just scares the shit out of you more than anything.
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I think the law operates as it does because in fact consenting to being beaten up is really pretty unlikely
Have you never heard of boxing?
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Paint balls hurt when they hit you. They can leave a pretty sizable welt if they hit you on a hard spot like the wrist.
So, you REALLY try not to get hit. It's exciting!
If there were a concequence to being shot in an FPS besides a two minute wait until the next round, it would make you think twice about rushing or doing something stupid, and develop more tactics. There would probably be more camping (not necessarily a bad thing if the level is designed well) and it would force you to overcome those camps with better tactics.
Of course, I wouldn't want it to be as painful as a damned stun gun.
But, in the end it wouldn't work because you have no way to be sure there's a device attached to every person playing the game over the internet. This only works if there's full participation (you know, like SPF.)
In a LAN game it could be a blast though.
If something like this came to the mass market, I'd expect it to be some weak vibrating belt thing, not an electric jolt.
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No, violent idiots like you may earn my fear, but never respect.
1) who decides how much pain is enough for most people ? ;) - first kill the gamers
... random thoughts.
2) how conclusive is the study of pain for different persons, its all in the mind anyways, or the way one is brought up for pain perception.
3) cant someone be killed over a massive multiplayer network game? (people have hacked sims massively and some disease is also supposed to be spereading, so what stops people from hacking these?)
4) skynet can start from here
5) what abt shock addiction, new kind of pleasure for gamer junkies.
6) whats the legal age for gamers to experience such shocks!
7) what about disabled persons.
8) will the game creators include a fineprint that they arent responsible for any damages such as heart attacks, paralysis... and other possibilities mentioned in the forum.
Thats the last thing I want. Work all day slaving for your boss and then you come home for a break, to relax and then your computer shocks you. This must be the real circle of life, constant pain.
Better make sure Immersion doesn't have a patent on this one Sony.
Modern fencing isn't about real dueling anymore. It is a sport. While based on an ancient and far more leathal game, it has developed into something else on its own, related to but seperate from its roots. A "real duel" and the sport of fencing are different things. One features skilled athletes performing amazing physical feats with physical and mental speed few non-fencers can comprehend, but any athlete can respect. The other is about regaining honor, causing physical harm, and while popular, was far from a sport.
Penalties for getting hit? When one's opponent scores, they get a point, and that means you're that much closer to not winning. Fencers making a "silly" action arent immune to retribution. Another skilled fencer will quickly exploit the error. While some actions may be illogical in a duel, they work very well in competitive sport fencing.
If you want more "realistic" fencing, go do SCA or something along those lines, they have rapier divisions if you're looking for duels- but if you want to compete in a sport that requires intense physical and mental abilities, go try olympic style fencing.
Speaking of MythBusters, I would sure like to slam that redhead Kari at mach 3.7 for 6 hours, well that is if I weren't a geek and she weren't an actress paid to play a geek.
The REAl problem with this will be that every player will suddenly see the inherent happyness of Camping, and nobody but those with this feature hacked to stay off will ever take a step into challenged territory.
The REAL advantage is that maybe people will finally learn that getting shot hurts like crapass.
*lol*
Yeah, right.. like gamers could learn.
They're trying to get people to apply to be expendable human weapons. Do you REALLY think they care?
It's been a long time.
Yes....
Year one, week one, of any electronics course teaches you of the safety and hazards of electricity.
The skin surface has a very high resistance. Blood has a very low resistance. Open and/or bleeding cuts in the skin are dangerous near electrical contacts. It takes a lot of current to cause any real damage through skin. That's why you can touch the terminals of a relatively low voltage battery without a problem. But touching the terminals to fresh cuts on both hands can produce a high current flow right through the heart and cause fibrillation.
Very high voltages can overcome the resistance of unbroken skin and do the same thing. Something I discovered by being careless. I've always practiced putting one hand behind my back while working near live high voltage/current sources. I made the mistake once of resting one hand on a metal radiator in a car while turning the distributor on a running engine to set the timing. A crack in the distributor cap allowed a charge to escape to my hand, through me, and to the radiator. I've had high voltage shocks before, but not like this. I felt funny in the chest, dizzy and weak momentarily, and almost fell over before my heart started pounding like I finished a marathon. I recovered from it rather quickly, but I'm sure I rattled my heart rhythm for a moment because of that.