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Games That Shoot Back
syousef writes "A shooting game that shoots back, delivering electric shocks through the player's hips when they're shot, is being used for recruitment (Hey shooting people is fun) and training by the U.S. military. There's talk of developing it into a PC game. Here's a quote from the article: 'It has the same power as a stun gun. It knocks you down. You have to continue to work through the pain and keep on fighting, as that is what you need to do - to keep on fighting even when wounded.' I guess in Soviet America, games shoot you. How many law suits would this cause based on unknown heart conditions? I also hope there's some sort of built-in safety in case the thing starts to zap you repeatedly. (Deadly endless loop, anyone?)"
This was written about in Piers Anthony's "Kilobyte" 20 years ago.
Pain is one of the greatest behavior modifiers there is.
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The whole point of a FPS trainer is to educate reality out of an individual. When you fire a pistol, sometimes your body will jerk the hand in anticipation of the shot. Dryfiring a few hundred times is enough to condition the pull back out, but it will eventually creep back.
I'm remember reading that 3/4 of the soldiers in WWI and WWII didn't aim at anything. They were conditioned to shoot at little bullseyes, not people. Notice how the military trains on human shaped targets now? Human-aim-fire-response.
This is all good, believe it or not.
Getting shot in a game there is no pain and risky behaviours can continue to flourish. Getting hit with a live round is most likely to inflict pain. Therefore, make the game as realistic as possible without killing your candidate
Will I play this? Nope. I already take Americas Army seriously and do my darndest not to die. But then again I'm not one of those people that beg the S-24 in order to get a pistol, either
My geeky $.02:
Maybe a shock belt could be used to improve the increasingly unrealistic sport of Olympic fencing.
While fencing is not a video game, it lacks a certain realism in the sense that there is not a significant enough penalty for getting hit. In epee' fencers learn to do many very silly attacks that put their face in danger so that they can attempt a toe shot.
By attaching a shock belt to the electronic scoring equipment that is already used, fencers would learn to use the kind of caution that they might in a real duel.
Of course that doesn't solve the problem of sacrifice that is encouraged by making all of the target area worth the same number of points, or the unrealistic use of the coupe--where a fencer often whips his foil into a "J" shape to touch his opponent on the back. But the shock belt may be a step in the right direction along with some other changes.
Seriously, if you want to die just take up some very extreme sports. If you're 65 and in constant pain, just climb Mt Everest. Or go for a 100 mile trek through the mountains with a 5 day food supply. You never hear of a BASE jumper living his days out in the old folk's home...
Hmmm... this system + virus = gamer genocide?
I'm in NSW actually. But generally if you're not causing a disturbance you'll get no trouble from the police. "What's going on here?" "Just settling a little dispute officer." "Well do it in the alley, not in the street." is a far cry from "Right, you two, into the paddy wagon, you're off to a holding cell and you'll see the judge in the morning."
How we know is more important than what we know.
I for one probably would. My knee injury required me to bring home a portable electro-shock stim. machine for therapy. After a couple of weeks, I stuck the electrodes to my nads, turned up the juice and started whacking off. Talk about some crazy orgasms. I was on crutches for 3 months. What else was I supposed to do?
Using the wrong data registers... ugh, i should have done this when I was sober. And watch the overflow on that long... It will take a while, but it'll overflow.
The Police Powers Act clearly states that if you are assaulted you are free to assault the person back, in which case neither party can be charged with assault.
How we know is more important than what we know.
http://www.new-life.net/milgram.htm/
Remember for each person getting shot in an on-line game, there is someone willingly doing the shooting. One additional purpose of this could be to desensitize the players to inflicting harm on others, or finding people who never minded much in the first place. For those that do especially well, there is always prison guard duty...
"I love his boyish charm, but I hate his childishness" - Leela
Hi:
Years ago on CBC radio--and I may well have the cassette tapes somewhere--there was a radio mystery/occult/science fiction play once a week. I think it was Friday nights.
In one episode a man gets addicted to video games. To heighten the realism, the game gives him shocks until the ultimate level is reached where he gets fried.
Fiction fifteen years ago.
i remember reading a story in a magazine about the first public demo of a force-feedback joystick. the game that was being played (doom) crashed and the joystick went beserk. if i remember rightly, the joy using the thing ended up with some broken fingers. moderen joysticks have a much less forcefull implimentations of this, but it askes this, what if the game crashes?
upon the advice of my lawyer, i have no sig at this time
There are a lot of stupid people out there that I'd love to shock via the Internet.
More likely... governments will agree to hook up 10,000 troops at a time to these and let them fight in "simulations". The losers get shocked to death and carted out in a clean efficient way. Thus saving time, money, environment and mess.
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If I give you permission to hit me how is it assault? It's just such an absurd term. We're not talking about someone punching you without reason. We're talking about two consenting adults agreeing to the terms of a challenge to rectify a grievance. Whether those two adults choose to flip a coin, play rock-paper-scissors, thumb wrestle, arm wrestle or have a fist fight is no concern of the law. The problem with the UK is that you are ruled. You're subject to the whim of the crown. Since the first parliament was convened in Australia we've introduced laws that have freed us from that rule. Thankfully the crown has never intervened (like they did in the US) and we've never needed to have a revolution. Unfortunately the concept of "victim of crime" has been lost. Even in the US people are convicted of crimes to which there is no victim. I wish we could return to the days when police actually responded to greivances instead of "patrolling" the streets. If there is no victim, there is no greivance and therefore, there is no crime.
How we know is more important than what we know.
You know, I've wanted to say this for a while, but this is one of the worst I've seen by far.
The whole point of that joke is that "in America", it's done the other way around by transposing the words. So... "In America, real bullets use games"?
Not funny.
(Yes, I know, it's a cliche. But correct usage is so not a cliche that I still laugh when I see it. Which is about once every three months.)
To put a real fighting spirit into our PlayStation Generation. And it has a good point. If you get hurt, you can't just cry and take your ball and go home. That can get you and your squad killed. Getting hurt and wounded... that doesn't mean the fight is over. That just means the fight is on! That you have to fight harder, and smarter. Training like this is a good thing. - Former Instructor at the Infantry Training Center at Ft. Benning Georgia.
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As in, the big worry was heart fibrillation. I held on to a computer monitor as it was plugged in (the case was off), and recieved a couple tens of thousands of volts . . . burnt my thumb really had where I was holding it. I swore quite a bit, punched a locker (this was at school during a spare), walked down to the office . . . and then passed out, probably psychosomatic more than anythig else (though all that shaking does take it out of you).
I woke up a minute later on the office floor (oddly enough, I didn't "pass out" in a classical sense, I just had all my senses slowly fade until I was essentially unconscious simply because I had no awareness of any stimuli---very disconcerting, to say the least). After that I was taken in an ambulance to the hospital, though I was quite fine. I spent quite awhile tring to explain to a doctor how this had happened, he was baffled as to how I had burnt myself so badly off of wall current. "No, no, monitors have capacitors and..." but he wasn't getting it. It was a wasted couple of hours, but at least I got to join the very exclusive club of "people that had left our school in an ambulance", and I got a pretty unique story out of it.
It did mean that we never got that computer into the locker, though. Oh well, it probably just would've electrocuted the entire bank of lockers. On second thought, damn, that would've been interesting . . .
I remember sigs. Oh, a simpler time!
omg
an option to remove your fibula
that would be extremely painful and i don't see how removal of a legbone is gonna help you when your heart has stopped