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Firefox Improves Pop-Up Ad Blocking

BlakeCaldwell writes "The popular open-source browser already contains a pop-up blocker by default, but this does not handle pop-ups launched by plug-ins such as Flash and Java. Mozilla employee Asa Dotzler wrote in his blog last week that Mozilla developers are responding to the increasing number of advertisers that are using plug-ins to launch pop-up ads."

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  1. I've been testing it... by tquinlan · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...and it seems to work very well so far. The sites I've noted that managed to get a popup through even with the normal popup blocker can no longer get them open.

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    1. Re:I've been testing it... by Seumas · · Score: 1, Informative

      I have always used Firefox and AdBlock and have never come across these "magical" popups/popunders that everyone keeps crying about. The only time I get a popup in Firefox is when it's something I've put in my allow list.

    2. Re:I've been testing it... by ABaumann · · Score: 2, Informative

      Figured I'd get modded to troll for that. What I mean to say, since it appearently needs further explaination, generally if you just avoid going to porn and warez sites, you can fairly safely avoid pop ups and pop unders and the like.

    3. Re:I've been testing it... by 192.168.0.1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, I've seen the popups myself and have ZERO sites in my "Allowed Sites" list for popups. I don't remember the specific sites they came from but they were results right on google for some of my search terms for several days.

    4. Re:I've been testing it... by madprof · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try going to a UK newspaper website. The Times is especially bad for pop up adverts that the blocker can't get.

    5. Re:I've been testing it... by Seumas · · Score: 2, Informative

      Someone elsewhere here had a link to a test page that would case the problem to occur. I clicked on it. Nothing happened. And yeah, I have Flash installed. And no, I don't have this new popup blocker installed. Just whatever the most recent release of Firefox and Adblock are. *shrug*

      I suspect this tends to occur at certain sites of.. *cough*.. questionable content. Which would explain why most probably don't encounter it.

    6. Re:I've been testing it... by DrJonesAC2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      whitepages.com has 'em.

    7. Re:I've been testing it... by PriceIke · · Score: 4, Informative

      Drudge Report is another site that still defies Firefox and Safari with pop-unders. Still very irritating, but not even close to being as irritating as those javascript ones that float around on the window that you have to chase down with the mouse, trying to click a tiny, moving close-box.

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    8. Re:I've been testing it... by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 5, Informative

      Using AdBlock combined with a good filterset took care of the Drudge Report for me.

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    9. Re:I've been testing it... by ceejayoz · · Score: 2, Informative

      I get 'em occasionally at NYTimes.com (which some would say is questionable, I suppose ;-) - I think they've got a javascript onclick attribute on a container div, as they only come up when I click somewhere on the page to scroll.

    10. Re:I've been testing it... by lowrydr310 · · Score: 2, Informative
      I know the chances are slim (you being a /. user) but is it possible that you have spyware on your machine? I still get popups with Firefox 1.0.1 but they're not the search-related popups that you usually get with spyware/adware.

      My brothers computer had a nasty spyware/adware app running as a windows service. Every few seconds a popup would appear with search results for any text that was entered no a webpage or in the address bar. All attempts to remove it manually would fail. Since I disabled IE's network access at the soft firewall and installed Firefox, he hasn't gotten any search-related popups.

    11. Re:I've been testing it... by espo812 · · Score: 2, Informative
      GP: Drudge Report [drudgereport.com] is another site that still defies Firefox and Safari with pop- unders.
      P: Odd, I visit Drudge once or twice a day and haven't seen a pop-up in ages. [emphasis added]
      They're all under your browser window.
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    12. Re:I've been testing it... by UnrefinedLayman · · Score: 2, Informative

      I make it a point not to visit drudge unless there's something to be read, but I've never had a pop up or under from there. Maybe it's your browser preferences; I use adblock and some custom settings in Firefox.

      The settings in Firefox are:

      user_pref("browser.link.open_newwindow", 1);
      user_pref("browser.link.open_newwindow.ui", 1);


      The above settings were, at one point, undocumented, though I don't know if they remain that way. Try it and see if the problem persists.

      See another poster's link to a good set of adblock filters, though really the only way to have a good set of filters is to be patient for the first week while you block everything on the sites *you* visit. I don't need my browser running through a three megabyte text file every time it loads a page, just because some guy in Abu Dhabi needs ads blocked on the local dating website, you know?

  2. It doesn't work by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Informative
    Don't want to spoil everyones fun but you should read the comments posted below before you install it.

    In short, it doesn't work particulary well. However, adot has responded and says that those issues will be worked on.

    Having suffered one of those "new generation" of pop ups only about 10 minutes ago, I look forward to seeing this functionality when it's in a more finished state.

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    1. Re:It doesn't work by ahsile · · Score: 4, Informative

      The most annoying popups I have seen lately are making use of document.layers and not plugins like flash. Most of the time they're the ones that popup ads when you run your mouse cursor over a word. Pain in the ass, those are.

    2. Re:It doesn't work by asa · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, those are a pain in the ass, but they're not pop-ups. Pop-ups are not modal to the parent window and so they make a mess (visually and in terms of usability) of your desktop. These "floaters" are modal to their content - they're attached to the site that's using them - a part of that site's content in the browser window. While I agree that they suck, they are not nearly the pain that real pop-ups were.

      - A

  3. For the impatient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
  4. Not really an update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't really an update to the popup blocking code in Firefox, it makes the default preferences a little more aggressive.

    In fact, it blocks all popups so that you have to manually whitelist the sites that use legitimate popups.

  5. Half of the problem solved... by Minute+Work · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fight plugins with plugins.
    For the 3 people who aren't aware of the Flashblocker extension yet.
    https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/morei nfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows &category=Web%20Annoyances&numpg=10&id=433

    1. Re:Half of the problem solved... by hey · · Score: 2, Informative

      I installed FlashBlock yesterday and its really good. Now I see how many sidebar ads are done in Flash. Tons of them. Far more than I expected.

  6. Blog comments Say It Works Too Universally... by Pants75 · · Score: 5, Informative
    The comments on that blog URL are pretty unanimous in that they say the patch causes FF to block pretty much all pop-ups, even ones you want to occur.

    Might not be the ideal solution who use alot of web applications rather than just surfing.

    1. Re:Blog comments Say It Works Too Universally... by Coolmoe · · Score: 2, Informative

      They can always enable it with popup whitelist from sites you want. Still a better default than getting annoying popups.

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  7. For those to lazy to read the blog by medication · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a direct link to the extension.
    I'm waiting for the patch/extension that allows me to turn off flash banners like I can turn off images.

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    1. Re:For those to lazy to read the blog by gzearfoss · · Score: 5, Informative

      I find Flashblock to be sufficient for my needs. It allows you to turn it completely on or off, and a whitelist of sites. It replaces flash animations with a button which you can select to play the flash animation.

    2. Re:For those to lazy to read the blog by Griim · · Score: 2, Informative

      Prefbar has a "Kill Flash" button, as well as allowing you to turn flash on and off in general.

  8. You could fix this by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Informative

    You could fix this a long time ago by going to about:config, and changing the value of privacy.popups.disable_from_plugins to "2". I started using this since I've heard of it, and it haven't seen a popup since. I think it's nice that they've enabled this by default, or made it more accessible. They should make more of the settings in about:config accessible in an easier way.

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    1. Re:You could fix this by kryptkpr · · Score: 4, Informative

      They should make more of the settings in about:config accessible in an easier way.

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  9. Other methods by whitehatlurker · · Score: 5, Informative
    While I have been using the Opera popup blocker for some time, I find that it's {easier / better / more portable / other reason here} to use a filtering proxy (e.g. proxomitron or similar).

    They are one stop shopping for blocking the junk that clutters the web.

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  10. Re:Counter-counter-attack by happymedium · · Score: 5, Informative

    Advertisers may not be that worried about Firefox in particular. Remember that it still only has 5% market share or so against the IE monolith, thus a smart advertiser would spend more resources exploiting IE. When Firefox becomes more popular, that's when we really have to start worrying.

    However, couldn't there be a definitive end to this battle in which one browser essentially stops popup windows completely? There are only so many ways to load the damn things, after all. I thought (correct me if I'm wrong) that popups have gotten more press in the last month or so because more people started using Flash to open them. That quickly got blocked by a FF extension. The recent renewal of interest in the issue doesn't necessarily mean that popups are impossible to get rid of.

  11. Re:Counter-counter-attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    yes, that's the beauty of OSS. no need to wait till point releases for things that require immediate attention *cough*...IE...*cough* safari... *cough*

    Bad example.

    Safari's pop-up blocking addressed the pop-under issue weeks before Firefox. It's been ad-free for quite some time now.

  12. Proxomitron by sytxr · · Score: 5, Informative

    A very useful windows freeware(non-OSS) that acts as a local proxy server with custom filters to rewrite web sites on the fly on their way to the browser. All Filters are written in a reasonably potent filtering language and new ones can be written and added.

    Possibilities include:
    - some popup blocking
    - convert within-frame links to normal ones
    - convert embedded flash animations or other plugins to clickable links
    - modify header information (referrer, browser name,version , caching meta tags)

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=proxomitron&b tnG=Google+Search

  13. Re:Example of these popups? I need to test adblock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
  14. Re:STOP: it blocks even legitimate popups by SomeOtherGuy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes it does. People have abused the power of the popup, so all popups are bad by extension. The only true way to get rid of the 95% bad popups is to eliminate popups. A small price to pay.

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  15. Re:ummm.. by zootm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, IE in SP2 included a popup blocker extremely similar to the one currently in Firefox (it's strange, because I had that little bar that pops up on IE before I had it on Firefox, I don't know who implemented it first).

  16. Use the adblock extension! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    Use the adblock extension, and add a filter to block the intellitext server address. Blocks that garbage everytime for me.

    I'm shocked that so many people use Firefox, but not the Adblock extension. That's the first extension everyone on Earth should install, hell it should be integrated into Firefox!

    1. Re:Use the adblock extension! by SirTalon42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      AdBlock lets you pick what ads you want to block (using regular expressions). So you could block all of the layer-based popups w/o touching Slashdot's ads.

    2. Re:Use the adblock extension! by srleffler · · Score: 2, Informative
      I feel the same way, and didn't install Adblock until yesterday, for the same reason. When I installed it, I discovered I had been mistaken. It seems that Adblock, by default, doesn't block anything at all. You have to tell it what to filter, either by right clicking on the things you don't want, or by downloading and installing a pre-made filter list. Adblock seems perfectly compatible with the "ads are fine as long as they aren't annoying" approach to the web.

      Caveat--I haven't been using Adblock very long, so don't take this as an overall endorsement.

  17. Re:Pop-ups. by aug24 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most /.ers (me inc) use flashblock. No flash content is loaded till you click on it, instead a nice, subtle blue italic 'f' in a frame is displayed. It's no problem when you want o see something - you just click! - and the rest of the time it means flash jiggly advert crap is all gone.

    Get FF then get flashblock (google is your friend), then try IE again after a week. You'll never touch it again.

    J.

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  18. Re:Counter-counter-attack by DoctorPepper · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sorry, but you're wrong. I get every update Apple pushes out, and as of yesterday evening, I was still getting pop-unders in Safari.

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  19. Re:Flash? Somebody please....! by norkakn · · Score: 2, Informative

    flashblock or adblock

  20. Re:Pop-ups. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I'm not a troll!

    Maybe you would have been better modded as flamebait.

    You see, a lot of web developers read Slashdot. People like you waste hours of our time because you insist on using a web browser with a crappy rendering engine that hasn't been updated in years.

    PNG 1.0 will have been around for a decade next year. Us web developers will still be unable to use it properly because of that abortion of a web browser.

    The same goes for HTML 4, HTTP 1.1, CSS 1.0 & 2.0, and DOM 2. IIRC, all of those specifications date from the 90s and Internet Explorer still fucks them up.

    Stop using Internet Explorer. Please. You are holding back the web.

  21. Wrong! by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Informative

    Firefox ALREADY HAD a popup blocker. What they borrowed from Microsoft was the top bar that allowed you to unblock a specific popup on runtime. Sometimes good ideas CALL to be borrowed (and thank God this one wasn't patented!)

    1. Re:Wrong! by asa · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, we also had the "unblock" functionality too (from the status bar icon). The notification bar at the top of the window only provided an additional location for the existing feature, not any new functionality.

      - A

  22. Re:Pop-ups. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Flashblock gave me alot of problems when I actually -did- want to see Flash-files ;
    The file would simply not load after clicking on it, and seeing this behaviour happen more than a few times, made me uninstall this plugin.

  23. Re:ummm.. by pyros · · Score: 1, Informative
    Internet Explorer did; FireFox "borrowed" the concept.

    The only thing that was borrowed was making a toolbar to complement the status bar icon that already had all the functionality of IE's toolbar. Both toolbars have an option to be hidden, in which case the status bar icon is used, which Firefox had first.

  24. Parsing Error Discloses Memory to Remote Users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Mozilla Browser Javascript Regex Parsing Error Discloses Memory to Remote Users - Apr 5, 2005 Description: A vulnerability was reported in Mozilla Browser in Javascript regex parsing. A remote user can obtain portions of browser memory. The browser's javascript implementation does not properly parse lamba list regular expressions. The vulnerability resides in 'js/src/jsstr.c' in the find_replen() function. A demonstration exploit is available at: http://cubic.xfo.org.ru/firefox-bug/index.html

  25. My advertiser-blocking strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I'm running FF, but even before with IE, I got a hosts file from http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html and put it in the proper spot on my WinXP machine and that took care of 99% of everything popup and ad-related.

    Now I have a simple rule: if an advert is 100% static, no motion, no blinking, no fading, no nothing, I leave it.

    Anything that blinks or moves, right-click and block images from that host. This way I am able to still view non-blinking adverts.

    My theory is if everybody did this, then the ad companies would notice that their animated ads are not getting viewed as much and change to static ones.

    'Course by then I'd still be blocking those servers; oh well; their bad business choice to start with!

    PeachKisser