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Company Name in URL Not Copyright Infringement
Christoph writes "CNN
reports that a man's website, http://www.bosleymedical.com, criticizing the Bosely Medical Institute does not infringe the institute's copyright on its name. The man's attorney is quoted as saying that the court's decision 'is an important victory for free speech on the Internet. It makes clear that consumers can use a trade name for a company they want to criticize.' The appeals court, however, reinstated part of the lawsuit in which Bosley alleged that Kremer is violating a so-called cybersquatting law by allegedly attempting to sell the site to Bosley in exchange for removing the disparaging material."
I would think it'd be a lot easier to have BosleyMedicalSucks.com and get away with it, than BosleyMedical.com
Time to go buy aol.ws
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They are probably talking about the trademark law. But that's what you get when you use the term intellectual property, more confusion.
People will be snapping up the *sucks.com domain names now, but be warned, companies will still threaten suits for trade defamation if they find disparaging remarks about them or their products on the web.
You are in error. No-one is screaming. Thank you for your cooperation.
The linked article seems to conflate copyright and trademark. I imagine this is a trademark dispute, not copyright. I don't think you can copyright anything as simple as a name.
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
This has been addressed by WIPO in their FAQ. They have specific examples of when a trademark owner can take a domain over.
I'm a big tall mofo.
Copyright... on a name? You mean Trademark?
Yes, yes you do. A quick glance at the article shows they have it right. Trademark is significantly different than copyright; and this seems to me to be a significant decision, but then I'm not a lawyer or anything.
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
The reason he got away with this is because he was not selling the domain name for money. The judge ruled since he was not linking to competing hair loss clinics it was ok.
Offering to sell a domain name that includes someone else's trademarked name in it to that someone for $$$ is what gets you in trouble under the anticybersquatting rules. Here's the (long_ relevant part of the Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act of 1999:
(d)(l)(A) A person shall be liable in a civil action by the owner of a mark, including a personal name which is protected as a mark under this section, if, without regard to the goods or services of the parties, that person --
(i) has a bad faith intent to profit from that mark, including a personal name which is protected as a mark under this section; and
(ii) registers, traffics in, or uses a domain name that --
(I) in the case of a mark that is distinctive at the time of registration of the domain name, is identical or confusingly similar to that mark;
(II) in the case of a famous mark that is famous at the time of registration of the domain name, is identical or confusingly similar to or dilutive of that mark; or
(III) is a-trademark, word, or name protected by reason of section 706 of title 18, United States Code, or section 220506 of title 36, United States Code.
(B)(i) In determining whether a person has a bad faith intent described under subparagraph (A), a court may consider factors such as, but not limited to --
(I) the trademark or other intellectual property rights of the person, if any, in the domain name;
(II) the extent to which the domain name consists of the legal name of the person or a name that is otherwise commonly used to identify that person;
(III) the person's prior use, if any, of the domain name in connection with the bona fide offering of any goods or services;
(IV) the person's bona fide noncommercial or fair use of the mark in a site accessible under the domain name;
(V) the person's intent to divert consumers from the mark owner's online location to a site accessible under the domain name that could harm the goodwill represented by the mark, either for commercial gain or with the intent to tarnish or disparage the mark, by creating a likelihood of confusion as to the source, sponsorship, affiliation, or endorsement of the site;
(VI) the person's offer to transfer, sell, or otherwise assign the domain name to the mark owner or any third party for financial gain without having used, or having an intent to use, the domain name in the bona fide offering of any goods or services, or the person's prior conduct indicating a pattern of such conduct;
(VII) the person's provision of material and misleading false contact information when applying for the registration of the domain name, the person's intentional failure to maintain accurate contact information, or the person's prior conduct indicating a pattern of such conduct;
(VIII) the person's registration or acquisition of multiple domain names which the person knows are identical or confusingly similar to marks of others that are distinctive at the time of registration of such domain names, or dilutive of famous marks of others that are famous at the time of registration of such domain names, without regard to the goods or services of the parties; and
(IX) the extent to which the mark incorporated in the person's domain name registration is or is not distinctive and famous within the meaning of subsection (c)(1) of section 43.
(ii) Bad faith intent described under subparagraph (A) shall not be found in any case in which the court determines that the person believed and had reasonable grounds to believe that the use of the domain name was a fair use or otherwise lawful.
(C) In any civil action involving the registration, trafficking, or use of a domain name under this paragraph, a court may order the forfeiture or cancellation of the domain name or the transfer of the domain name to the owner of the mark.
(D) A person shall be liable for using a domain name under subparagraph (A) only if that person is the domain name registrant or that regi
"That's not even wrong..." -- Wolfgang Pauli
The appeals court, however, reinstated part of the lawsuit in which Bosley alleged that Kremer is violating a so-called cybersquatting law by allegedly attempting to sell the site to Bosley in exchange for removing the disparaging material.
Man shoots self in foot. Film at 11.
But the appeals court disagreed, saying the Web site was not created to make a profit or to confuse Bosley's customers and potential clients. There were no links on the site to other hair-restoration providers, the court noted.
So it seems like the guy is not purposefully attempting to confuse people, which is a good thing. It would be much worse if he had a redirect to a competitor.
The appeals court, however, reinstated part of the lawsuit in which Bosley alleged that Kremer is violating a so-called cybersquatting law by allegedly attempting to sell the site to Bosley in exchange for removing the disparaging material.
But then he tries to do something stupid like this. This is black mail, like if I have pictures of your wife naked and threaten to post them on the web unless you pay me $1000. What can a person do?
Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."
We are not allowed to do something that might confuse someone?
Well, generally not -- that's the whole point of trademark law in the U.S. The test for infringement under trademark law is always "likelihood of confusion."
In the case of "sucks" sites, though, the courts in the U.S. have generally held that the free speech rights of a consumer outweigh the rights of the trademark holder to prevent the use of "confusingly similar" domain names.
"That's not even wrong..." -- Wolfgang Pauli
I'm tempted to give Zouk a hard to for the usual Slashdot editors sin of posting a story without really reading it. But with so much sloppy thinking by Christoph and that nameless idiot at CNN.com, I guess that's kind of lame.
If you want to use a "phone number type" system, you're more than welcome to use 66.35.250.150 to come to Slashdot from now on. And 216.239.37.99 for Google. Can you remember those numbers without writing them down?
The whole point of having domain names is so you don't have to remember the IP address of the computers you want to connect to. DNS is the "yellow pages" of the Internet. If someone wanted to, they could register their phone sex business as "Teh White House" in the phone book.
Scrapping DNS is certainly not the solution.
The Ninth Circuit webpage has a PDF of the opinion.
If I go and register Slashdot.org the second it comes up to be re-registered and turn it into "OMG IT SUCKS TACO IS A GIMP AND COWBOYNEAL IS A FAG!" then I deserve to have the URL taken off me for false advertising in the URL.
Sounds like an improvement.
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
I have a mail server at home in which I create aliases that I give out so I know where the email address has been given from.
For example, I created an email: dmv@[myhomedomain].com so that I could have the DMV of California email me, and I would know if I got spam that it came from them.
I received several emails and letters from the DMV head lawer for me to "cease and dessist immediately" from using DMV as I would be infringning on their right to "defend their BRAND"
I told him how, as a public office, I did not feel that he had a brand, and that since I was using it only for the DMV to contact me, but they were adamant that I stop using it as an email alias.
I actually submitted this issue as an ask slashdot, but it was rejected...
So long as the site at bosleymedical.com doesn't pretend they ARE Bosley Medical, where's the confusion? You get to the site and see it's a complaint site, and the confusion is over.
With *sucks or *reallysucks domains the confusion argument is rendered mute by the bulk of US court decisions.
Forcing all protest into something like a "(whatever)sucks.com" is like saying picketers can only march along a 40' section of sidewalk around the corner, next to the building loading zone.
Also, the word you're looking for is "moot", not "mute". Arguments are rendered moot.
If a job's not worth doing, it's not worth doing right.
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