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Heavy Japanese Support for Xbox 2

Gamasutra has word that there are already several Japanese game development studios and designers lining up to create titles for the Xbox 2 system. Yoshiki Okamoto, a former producer at Capcom, is quoted in the article as being surprised at the response the new console is getting. From the article: "I've been hearing that some other designers will also be joining. There are a lot of surprises. I find myself saying: 'What, this development studio!? This game!? These people!?'" Commentary on the upcoming console's Japanese future also available at GamesIndustry.biz. Update: 04/07 03:18 GMT by Z : The translations from the original source came from Gamespot.com.

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  1. Resistance is futile... by the_skywise · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You will be assimilated.

    I'm not too surprised actually. Microsoft has been pushing hard and listening to what the Japanese developers want. (And probably throwing alot of money around as well)

    In that sense, I'm all for it. Microsoft's generally pretty good when competing.

    I'm worried, though, what happens if Microsoft "wins" the market.

    1. Re:Resistance is futile... by bersl2 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm worried, though, what happens if Microsoft "wins" the market.

      Mass seppuku.

    2. Re:Resistance is futile... by cgenman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More than just the Japanese developers, Microsoft has pretty much been playing all of it's cards right. It hired incredibly bright people and gave them free reign to create the system they wanted to. They created something solid, flexible, with the correct gambles. They didn't sell it as a set-top box, but rather a dedicated gaming console. Except that they're still losing money on them, and they're the size of SUV's, it's a great system. Even the great controller mistake was largely corrected.

      I don't think one company can "win" the market. As other people have pointed out, this market turns over every few years. Backwards compatibility, while a nice selling feature, isn't needed because you still have the old console. XBL might be a way to lock people in, but only to the same extent that AOL can lock people in. Plus the market likes to create new gods and tear down old ones. Even if Microsoft plays everything right, after several years they'll naturally lose luster and get kicked out.

    3. Re:Resistance is futile... by hawkbug · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, if M$ wins the market, you basically have what we had in a few different scenarios from the past:

      1) The original Playstation: It was around for a very, very long time - even after PC games looked a million times better due to evolving hardware. The PS2 didn't hit until 2001, and even then, it didn't seem to outdo computer games at all. It took the Xbox for Sony to really get serious in my opinion, and we'll have to see what the PS3 can do.

      2) Traditional Microsoft Monopoly, aka IE: Once Netscape was killed off, around 2000-2001 I'd estimate, Microsoft quit developing added features into IE. I don't care if IE 6 has a different version number, it's basically 5.0 with some security fixes, nothing really added feature wise. Not until XP SP2 did we see a pop up blocker, and a shitty one at that. Mozilla has them running scared right now in that department.

      3) Intel Pentium III: It was a fine chip, but slowly evolving and extremely overpriced. Once AMD debuted the Athlon, Intel was racing to keep up, and basically still is today. The AMD/Intel battle has done marvelous things for the computer industry, even though it may end up killing one of the companies off... not Intel because of their cash reserves I think, but if AMD screws up, they are probably sunk.

      It just goes to show that without serious competition, the market isn't forced to improve. If M$ can manage to kill Sony's game business unit (which is highly unlikely, but possible I suppose) it would probably just buy Nintendo, and whammo, XBox 3 won't come out until 2020.

    4. Re:Resistance is futile... by badasscat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm not too surprised actually. Microsoft has been pushing hard and listening to what the Japanese developers want. (And probably throwing alot of money around as well)

      The problem is it's not Microsoft or the Japanese developers that determine a console's success there. It's Japanese consumers. And Japanese consumers think of the Xbox as a bad joke.

      There is a lot more brand loyalty in Japan than there is almost anywhere else, and it's peppered with both a bit of xenophobia and a bit of nationalism (I'm not saying this is necessarily bad or that it's a whole lot different than here, but there is definitely a bias against non-Japanese electronics there, especially). Even getting some big-name Japanese games is not necessarily going to help the Xbox 2 - I mean people thought DOA3 would sell systems there and it didn't. Neither did Soul Calibur 2. Would Dragon Quest 9 or Final Fantasy 13? Maybe, maybe not. Those games would probably sell some systems, but it's a mistake to think that any single game - or even a few big games - will help turn around such a negative public perception.

      I remember when the Xbox was first released in Japan, there was a picture floating around of a couple of Japanese guys at TGS looking at the system. They were literally pointing and laughing at it. It was a funny picture, but it pretty well illustrated MS's problem there.

      This time around, MS has convinced developers that they'll do better, but it's not clear to me that there's really all that much they can do. I mean Ford's been trying to sell cars in Japan for a long time too, without much success. My guess is the honeymoon with Japanese developers will be a short-lived one once the initial sales numbers come in, unless those Japanese developers are in it more for the western game audience than for their home audience (which is possible, but would be a big mistake for them if you ask me).

    5. Re:Resistance is futile... by JFMulder · · Score: 3, Funny

      Even the great controller mistake was largely corrected.

      You couldn't have chose better words.

    6. Re:Resistance is futile... by ZephyrXero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In responce to your "Final Fantasy 13?" comment...

      Like it or not, the system with Final Fantasy is the one that wins the console wars with every prior battle. NES, SNES, PS1 & PS2 all had the FF series and were the top selling game consoles of their time (and no, Crystal Chronicals doesn't count...it's a completely different game). Now the interesting thing is, SquareEnix has not announced who they'll be supporting in the next gen, everyone assumes Sony, but we don't really know yet. For all we know they might go multiplatform this time around? The other strange/interesting factor this time is also that the original creator of the FF series is set to release at least two games for the Xbox2, and they'll probably be RPGs I bet...

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    7. Re:Resistance is futile... by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I'm worried, though, what happens if Microsoft "wins" the market."
      Yea Sony would be so much better.
      I worry if anyone wins the market.
      Go Nintendo.

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    8. Re:Resistance is futile... by Have+Blue · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Even the great controller mistake was largely corrected

      Speak for yourself. A large number of people, myself included, found the large controllers quite comfortable and don't look forward to being forced to adapt to an S.

      (No, I do not have freakishly large hands- I have no problems with the Gamecube controller either. But please, Microsoft, don't fix what isn't broken. I really hope the Xbox 2's controller ports are backwards-compatible, or at least that a third party clones the original for XB2...)

  2. ok, okamoto.. by evilmousse · · Score: 2, Interesting


    i want a fighter to contend with the currently dominating soul calibur. and think about blending them with mmorpgs if at all possible, and by that, i mean replacing the d&d method of diceroll situational decisions with true hit-detection & move priority that makes for fighting goodness. i know that's a lot to ask, but i'd like to see better steps in that direction than Iron-Phoenix, which i have to admit is a fighter, and uses the idsoftware approach to multiplayer battles. i'm still waiting for the one that gets tech like streetfighter or soulcalibur.

  3. Re:Unexpected! by ZephyrXero · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whether we like it or not, Xbox2 is going to be pretty big hit. Microsoft is making some pretty smart choices and some pretty dumb ones too. They may even have a very slight chance of coming out on top of Sony this go round? I'm just worried about what XNA is going to do to smaller/independant developers mainly... although I haven't heard if it's a required purchase to be "allowed" to make games for Xbox2. Then again, I'm also of the opinion that this next generation isn't going to do so well, at least not at first. With ever rising prices, quite a few smaller developers will probably continue supporting the current consoles and casual gamers probably won't be able to see enough of a leap in graphics between these two generations to justify a $300+ system. It will certainly be an interesting time...

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  4. Wait, What? by Stolethis · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If I remember correctly, lack of Japanese developers was what hindered the X-Box so much before. I can't think of a single game for the system made in Japan that was console exclusive or playable. Microsoft has historically been disliked by Japan. Sony even tried to make thier own version of Unix a decade or so back so that they didn't have to use Windows. Maybe Gates just bought the country. God knows he could do it and still have enough money to use as toilet paper.

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    1. Re:Wait, What? by DeadScreenSky · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can't think of a single game for the system made in Japan that was console exclusive or playable.

      Seriously? I take it you don't follow modern console gaming much (which is okay of course). I'll help you out:
      Panzer Dragoon Orta
      Jet Set Radio Future
      GUNVALKYRIE
      Outrun 2
      Dead or Alive 3
      Dead or Alive Extreme Beach Volleyball
      Ninja Gaiden
      Dead or Alive Ultimate
      Otogi
      Otogi 2
      Metal Wolf
      Phantom Crash
      Breakdown
      Shin Megami Tensei NINE
      Phantom Dust (by MS Games Japan, and one of the best games ever made for my money - I expect big things from them next-gen)
      Crazy Taxi 3
      Crimson Seas
      Daisenryaku VII
      Steel Batallion/Tekki
      Dino Crisis 3
      Wreckless
      Genma Onimusha
      House of the Dead III

      I left out exclusive games that are widely considered to be poor (Blinx, Sneakers) and I'm sure I missed some that should be on the list. I also ignored Japanese games that are exclusively released on the Xbox in specific markets like America (ex: Shenmue II, Metal Slug 3, Guilty Gear XX#Reload, etc.). Xbox certainly does not have as many Japanese exclusives as the PS2 has, but some of the best games this generation are Xbox exclusives from Japanese developers.

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  5. Re:Unexpected! by gl4ss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    pretty much impossible to tell yet. a bunch of development studios didn't make a console hit before, and not likely to do it again. for all we know their games could be pure crap too. especially when it's damn hard to tell beforehand what the games will be like on these systems - the sun and the moon have been promised on future console systems before with failed delivery. now they're just playing the HYPE game.

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  6. MistWalker by jdubois79 · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the May issue of FamitsuXbox (comes out in April, oddly enough), there's a huge article with 3 top game designers about their new studios that are exclusive to the xbox2.

    One of designers is Sawaguchi, who was the brains behind the Final Fantasy series, and who is currently heading his own studio with other FF vetrans.

    He's apparently working on two different RPG titles for the xbox2. One is a very traditional RPG thingy, while the other deals with a main character who is over the hill and who has adventure come looking for him.

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  7. Heavy Japanese support!! by IntergalacticWalrus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now those Sumo wrestlers will have a game console they can get real support from. It's about damn time.

  8. IE analogy does not hold water, et al by insomnyuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here are a few problems with some of your arguments.

    1) PS2 effectively buried the Dreamcast (my sweet, dear Dreamcast). I would say Sony was pretty serious, but I agree with you that Microsoft did make the game a bit more deadly, no pun intended. Competition is certainly stiffer.

    2) IE isn't a good comparison, primarily because it is technically 'free' software, at least in the financial sense. It doesn't compare to the X-box, which is fabricated hardware that the consumer must purchase. Once they beat Netscape, Micro~01 had no incentive to develop IE further, which brings me to your third point and final comments.

    3) Yeah, Intel vs AMD = good for customers. However, if one of the companies disappeared, the other would continue marketing and making new chips, because software (or bloatware) continues to demand more processing power. I know I'm heavily simplifying things, but the console market is similar. Developers want to keep pushing the limits of the available tech, gamers want prettier graphics and more realistic bouncing breasts, and this requires newer hardware.

    Its all about sales. IE doesn't get developed as much because you don't 'sell' IE at Best Buy. Game studios want to keep selling new games. There are a finite number of X-Boxes that can be sold, thus Microsoft must make X-Box 2, and 3, creating demand and maintaining their bottom-line. The same for game developers. Even if Sony disappeared, we would probably see a new console every 5 years, which is roughly the timeline we see a company roll out its next generation. You don't stop doing business just because the competition is gone, which will never happen, the gaming industry is too lucrative, it rivals the movie industry and in some ways exceeds it.

    1. Re:IE analogy does not hold water, et al by RdsArts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hell, we've even got history to back this up. Just look at the NES/SNES/Genesis era. Nintendo fought tooth-and-nail to keep NES sales without moving to a new hardware, but at a point you just can't sell the hardware anymore. The Genesis was eating them alive, and is really the only reason they started moving to the SNES.

      Assuming MS does get a leader position and then allow it's hardware to stagnate, all it takes is some up-and-comer to come up with nifty hardware and suddenly you get to watch the industry gravitate away from the leader.

  9. Re:Unexpected! by ZephyrXero · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Have you seen an Xbox or a Gamecube lately?

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  10. Re:Unexpected! by ZephyrXero · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Japanese developer support for the XB2 does not necessarily mean Japanese popular support. Games may sell systems initially..."

    If there are lots of good games, people will buy the system. The games are always what decides whether a console is a winner or not. The main problem with the Xbox in Japan is that 90% of it's games are American or European and apparently a large portion of Japanese gamers only like Japanese games. You have to also take into account that the Japanese market is not as big as it used to be, their numbers have been dwendling while both American gamers and game developers have been growing and growing...

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  11. Reminds me of "West Wing" Episode by kannibal_klown · · Score: 2

    I'm sure it's true, but I can't help but think of an episode of the West Wing.

    In 1 episode it's nearing ther President's re-election campaign. He's about to go see a famous and fancy musical based on the War of the Roses (not the movie, the event).

    His opponent wants to meet with the President during intermission (kind of a public meeting) but the president declines. He doesn't like the guy and this is a nice occasion for him. So he declines.

    The opponent then leaks to the press that the President invited him to sit with him during the musical and speak with him during intermission, and his "people" confirm the false rumor. Before the White House can reply the whole world is buying into the rumor. Calling him a liar isn't going to fly well because all of the reporters think it's true (heck, they "discovered" a rumor and got it confirmed: job accomplished).

    If you're trying to get someone to do something, sometimes telling the world that they've promised to do it forces their hand. Because now the public expects it to happen.

    And sometimes it pisses them off royally. But who cares if they hate you already?

    In any case, I doubt MS would do this.