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Rosenzweig Now Chairman of DHS Privacy Board

An anonymous reader writes "Paul Rosenzweig, a conservative lawyer and prominent proponent of the Pentagon's controversial Total Information Awareness project, has been appointed the first chairman of the Department of Homeland Security's privacy board. This follows the appointment of an executive of Gator to the board. Lee Tien, a lawyer with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, says that, rather than viewing protection of privacy as priority, Rosenzweig 'tends to view privacy as something to be circumvented.' Are the foxes guarding the henhouse when it comes to government and privacy?"

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  1. Are the foxes guarding the henhouse? by jmcmunn · · Score: 3, Funny

    Are the foxes guarding the henhouse when it comes to government and privacy?

    Why no, it seems that the Gator is guarding the henhouse in this case.

    1. Re:Are the foxes guarding the henhouse? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Somehow these appointments remind me of 1984.

      Along the lines of the ministry of love being where you go to get the living shit beat out of you it seems the ministry of privacy being formed in america is where all of your privacy will be stripped away.

    2. Re:Are the foxes guarding the henhouse? by mboverload · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is worse than hiring a sex predator to be the janitor in a preschool.

    3. Re:Are the foxes guarding the henhouse? by AdrainB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not only is the henhouse being raided at the DHS, but Bush has packed the EPA and FDA with industry cronies. He has turned agencies created to protect consumers and citizens into agencies that work to protect corporate malfeasance. And it's really worse than the fox guarding the henhouse. It's like the first fox inviting other foxes in because there are too many chickens for one fox to eat.

    4. Re:Are the foxes guarding the henhouse? by Jason+Hood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You wouldnt care to backup your broad sweeping claims would you? Given that Bush has "packed" the EPA and FDA with industry cronies, I would assume you can provide a complete listing of hires in the last 5 years to backup your claim. Your choice of the word packed infers that a majority of the EPA and FDA has been replaced since you did not specify positions.

      This reminds of when during the election Bush "said" he wanted to reinstate the draft. I dont care which way you swing, I just care when mindless banter gets passed off as fact and even worse, other people believe it.

      Oh yeah this is slantdot =)

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    5. Re:Are the foxes guarding the henhouse? by AdrainB · · Score: 4, Informative

      Remember the Vioxx vote to keep it on the market? Affiliations between 10 of the scientists that served on the committee and the three manufacturers of Cox-2 inhibitors were discovered -- a violation of the Federal Advisory Committee Act, which prohibits scientists with direct conflicts of interest from serving on panels offering advise to federal regulatory agencies. What does that mean? Pharmaceutical shills are all aboard the FDA panels and they vote with Big Pharam dollars. Another 17 scientists had other ties to drug manufacturers, though not the three with products under consideration at the meeting. According to a New York Times analysis of the votes, the advisory committee would have voted for taking Bextra and Vioxx off the market beacuse of its risks had the shill-scientists been excluded from the vote. Here is the CSPI analysis of the FDA Advisory Panel: CSPI found ten (10) physician-researchers a/k/a Big Pharma Shills with direct ties to Pfizer, Merck or Novartis (including G.D. Searle and Pharmacia, which are now part of Pfizer). They were: * Steven Abramson, M.D., Professor and Chairman, Division of Rheumatology, NYU School of Medicine, New York. Has an interest in Merck. (FDA Center for Drug Evaluation and Research, Congressional Hearing Transcripts, 7/20/99) Received speaker's honoraria or consulting fees from Pfizer, Amgen, Novartis, and Pharmacia. (http://www.freecme.com/gcourse_view.php?course_id =1824; accessed 2/22/05) Consultant for Searle, and a member of the Speakers Bureau for Pfizer. Received an unrestricted educational grant from Pharmacia. (http://www.docguide.com/news/content.nsf/news/2A3 45DDE45B8C851852569AE004B52DC; accessed 2/23/05) * Joan M. Bathon, M.D. Professor of Medicine, Division of Rheumatology, Department of Medicine, Johns Hopkins University. Received consultancies and/or honoraria from Centocor, Inc., a subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson, totaling less than $10,000 per year. ( Arthritis Rheum. 2004;50:3432-43.) Received ad hoc consultant fees and support for this research from Immunex. (Arthritis Rheum. 2002 Jun;46(6):1443-50.) Received support for research on etanercept and methotrexate in patients with early rheumatoid arthritis from Immunex, Inc. (N Engl J Med. 2000 Nov 30;343(22):1586-93.) Consultant for: National Advisory Board CTLA4-IG Project, Bristol Myers Squibb, 2000; International Advisory Board, Anti-TNF Project, Centocor, 2000; National Advisory Board, Anti-TNF Project, Knoll Pharmaceuticals, 2000; National Advisory Board, Anti-TNF Project, Immunex and Wyeth, 1998-99; National Advisory Board, Cox-2 Project, Searle, 1998-2000; Consultant, Bradykinin receptor antagonist project, Fournier Pharmaceuticals, 1996; Consultant, Anti-inflammatory initiative, Procter & Gamble. (http://www.fda.gov/cder/audiences/acspage/CVs/Bat hon,%20Joan%20M..pdf; accessed 2/23/05) * John J. Cush, M.D., Article on concomitant leflunomide therapy in patients with active rheumatoid arthritis despite stable doses of methotrexate listed potential conflicts of interest due to consultancies, honoraria and grants received. (Ann Intern Med. 2002 Nov 5;137(9):726-33.) Consultant: Abbott, Amgen, Wyeth, Centocor, Pfizer, Regeneron; Disclosure: Current Investigator: Abbott, Amgen, Biogen Idec, Pfizer. (J Rheumatol. 2005 Feb;32(2):203-7.) ) Received grants from Abbott, Amgen/Weiss, Aventis, Centocor, IDEC/Genentech, Isis Pharmaceuticals. (http://www.fbhc.org/cme/abt04202/index.cfm; accessed 2/23/05) Dr. Cush is a member of The Cadeuceus Group, LLC. (http://www.fbhc.org/cme/abt04202/index.cfm; accessed 2/23/05) * Robert H. Dworkin, Ph.D., Professor of Mathematics/Statistics and Pu

    6. Re:Are the foxes guarding the henhouse? by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fox guarding the henhouse is the normal way most government works.

      The timeline of a board/commission/department/[whatever] that is supposed to deal with a problem:

      1. Concerned citizens see a problem/crises and demand that their reps "Do something about it!"
      2. The legislature creates a [whatever] to "Do something about it!"
      3. The concerned citizens see that something has been "Done" and get bored with the issue, moving on to another issue that's now in the news.
      4. The new [whatever] looks around for "experts" in the area they are supposed to be dealing with.
      5. The affected industry, ngos and other special interest groups are the ones who actually have the "experts" to supply.
      6. They also actually have a stake in what the [whatever] does, so they stick around and do whatever is necessary to control the [whatever]. Since no one else cares, they typically gain control within 0-3 years of [whatever's] existance.
      7. ??? (Traditional /. step)
      8. Profit! (for the special interest groups, because now they can use [whatever] to stick it to any new competition and preserve and expand their own power.)

      Take a look at just about any [whatever] that is "supposed" to be regulating something and you'll pretty much see the above pattern.

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  2. I could have told you something was wrong... by ImaLamer · · Score: 5, Insightful
    As soon as I read the first line of the summary:
    conservative lawyer and prominent proponent of the Pentagon's controversial Total Information Awareness project
    I'm not trying troll - but usually "conservative" and proponent of "Total Information Awareness" doesn't go together. I mean, I'm a liberal and I can remember a time "conservatives" were for more privacy rights (ok, forget the fight over sodomy laws).
    1. Re:I could have told you something was wrong... by koreth · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Get with the newspeak, bub. Today's new improved doubleplusgood American conservatives are for smaller government in the form of increased federal spending, more privacy in the form of total surveillance, state's rights in the form of Congressional meddling in individual state court cases, isolationist foreign policy in the form of overseas force projection, government transparency in the form of increased classification of documents, and high moral standards in the form of flagrant House ethics rule violations.

      Stop thinking like you're in the 20th century. It's a brave new world and white is the new black.

    2. Re:I could have told you something was wrong... by stinerman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      True, although those values were found back at a time when the Republicans were getting hammered in congress by the Democrats. Was it any accident that when they were in the minority, the Republicans favored cutting spending on programs? Of course not, they knew their programs would never pass, so they just said "to hell with the federal govt ... let the states handle this". Now that they are in charge, they're whistling quite a different tune.

      As we can see, they're only for cutting so-called liberal programs. States' rights have seemed to lose style because those Massachusetts liberals can let gays marry (the horror!).

      Whenever any party is in the minority, they rail against any expansion of federal government powers because they know it won't be expanding in the way they like. As soon as the tides turn, government expansion is a nessary evil.

  3. Write and get help! by Richie1984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but after the news that a Gator executive was being appointed to the board, did anyone really expect this Privacy board to be anything of the sort? I'm not an American, but if I were, I'd be writing to my government representative now asking for help on this issue.

    Personally, I look at this issue like I do with European software patents. If ordinary people don't stand up and lobby their government representative, then nothing will change. If you believe strongly about this, then try to do something about it. Make your views known

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    1. Re:Write and get help! by veddermatic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not an American, but if I were, I'd be writing to my government representative now asking for help on this issue.


      When will you folks learn. In the US, our reps won't listen unless there's a huge PAC donation included with your letter.

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  4. Paul Rosenzweig for beginners by amigoro · · Score: 4, Informative
    Paul Rosenzweig for beginners.

    On the Patriot Act:

    The 9/11 Commission has emphasized the importance of the Patriot Act and considers it to be an essential weapon in the global war on terrorism. Prior to September 11, there was a wall of legal and regulatory policies that prevented effective sharing of information between the intelligence and law enforcement communities. Read More

    Paul Rosenzweig On Transparency:

    After all, why do we seek transparency in the first instance? Not for its own sake. Without need, transparency is little more than voyeurism. Rather, the reason for transparency is oversight - Read More

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  5. They're defending America! by tezza · · Score: 4, Funny
    They heard concerns about an Invasion of Privacy.

    They have selected these Patriots to ensure that there is no risk of Privacy invading The United States of America. Over their dead bodies, there will be none of this Privacy in America.

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  6. Oh come on by Alioth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh come on - isn't it obvious?

    Privacy is something that is entirely the opposite of the DHS's goal - therefore, isn't it obvious that they will hire experts in how to remove privacy? The DHS's privacy department isn't about protecting privacy (because that would be counter to the DHS's mission) but rather how to remove privacy so the DHS can do its job. Of course they will mask this in doublespeak - just like what was called the department of war half a century ago got renamed to the department of defence.

  7. Freedom is Slavery? by Andy+Mitchell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The way things are going in the western world at the moment I do fear that we are sleep walking towards some kind of Orwellian nightmare. We face a determined foe who are willing to die for what they believe in. Yet we are willing to throw aside our own hard won values of freedom and justice in the interest of "safety".

    Freedom is Slavery was a propaganda slogan from the book 1984, designed to keep the masses happy with being oppressed. Every time I hear Tony Blair or George Bush reducing our rights to "protect freedom" I'm reminded of this.

  8. if you don't like it, do something about it. by Hallow · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, if you're in the U.S., and you're concerned about these events (it's looking more and more like an anti-privacy group), might I suggest contacting the privacy office or going directly to the dept. of homeland security to let them know how you feel as a taxpayer about the appointment of individuals with a less than stellar record when it comes to privacy concerns?

    Might be a good idea to contact your senators and representatives too.

    1. Re:if you don't like it, do something about it. by salemlb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That would be the social responsible, intelligent, insightful thing to do. Naturally, slashdot would rather whine and price airline tickets and emigration restrictions... then still be in the country six months later, still whining, still pricing airline tickets, and still wondering why Congress isn't listening to them.

      Here's a clue, folks... most Congressmen do listen. If you call them, if you write them, your opinion is taken into consideration. Even if there is no money attached. Do corporations have too much power? You bet they do. Does that mean we are powerless? Not in the slighest.

      The slashdot effect can do more than take down webservers. You have political power. 500,000 emails each from a private individual going to DHS will be hard to ignore. A flood protesting phone calls to relevant Senators, a flood so big it knocks out phone service to the capital for the afternoon... that will cause lots of conversation in the halls of Congress.

      The biggest complaint of every politician I know of is this: the people do not communicate enough. That's a blank check slashdot.

      Now, go back to pricing plane tickets. Much easier that way.

    2. Re:if you don't like it, do something about it. by XorNand · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bah... do you honestly think that the DHS is going to listen to you?

      One word: ACLU

      Proud dues-paying member since 2003.

      One of the few organizations with the clout to truly (and positively) influence policy when it comes to these matters. You can be a member for less than $50/year. The min membership might even be half that much, IIRC.

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  9. Hiding stuff. by scottzak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems to me that privacy only matters if there is a threat of sanction for the private behavior. Hiding stuff tends to add a layer of unhealthy psych because of the continual threats to the integrity of the cloak.

    The real need is to roll back the ability of the mob to make your life miserable if you choose to think or do something that is unconventional.

    In the long run, which is going to leave us in a better position? Should we be fighting to maintain privacy in the face of increasingly efficient snooping, or fighting for freedom of thought and action?

    Not that anyone's really going sacrifice much to achieve either of those goals . . . .

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  10. Sorry, but you are fatally wrong... by danheskett · · Score: 4, Informative

    Countries don't refuse to do business with other countries because they don't like them much. Money is money, and America is now and will always be a huge market. We import everything, and export cash. It's a fact: we run a huge trade deficit pretty much always.

    Additionally, the Bush administration is not trying to shut the borders. The borders are completely porous in virtually every way. More than a million illegals came across the border last year.

    Pop-quiz: who was Germany's top trading partner in 1938?
    France.

  11. Which raises the questions by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When will people stop giving their allegiance to labels?

    When will people start leaving their parties (Republican or Democrat) when their parties move away from what they believe?

    The answer is probably when there is a no longer a two party system. The Republicans can treat their conservative base with contempt, and then still get their support by fear: "look at what the alternative would be!" The Democrats do the same thing on their side of the fence.

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  12. Not sleepwalking, an illusion by Kjella · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet we are willing to throw aside our own hard won values of freedom and justice in the interest of "safety".

    I'll give you a quote:
    "It is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." --Hermann Goering

    See, here's the real lie. People believe they are protecting the values, not throwing them away. Of course the original quote was about war, now it is about terror.

    "Pacifists" are opponents of the politic. In this context, civil rights activists. They get discredited like dreamers, idealists which will expose the country to danger just like pacifists.

    "Lack of patriotism" is of course a good mix of nationalism (American/Non-american), racism (Caucasian/Arab) and religion (Christian/Muslim). It plays on basic "Principles are fine, but now we have to protect our own" self-preservation.

    Finally, "exposing the country to danger" is no longer about war, it is even "better". With war, you always know roughly who, where and how it will play out. With terror, the "danger" is everywhere, all the time and invisible. How can you argue that you are NOT exposing it to danger?

    Noone dares speaks of such things. It is not "politically correct" to quote Nazi leaders, Machiavelli, Sun Tzu and other examples of people that have manipulated great crowds. Naturally, we don't want to inspire more. But it also means people are oblivious to the fact that they are being manipulated. It cuts both ways.

    Kjella

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  13. Something has been wrong, for a very long time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Eh...some of this "speak" isn't so new.

    "more privacy in the form of total surveillance" --> HUAC, McCarthy et al.?

    "government transparency in the form of increased classification of documents, and high moral standards in the form of flagrant House ethics rule violations" --> Nixon?

    "smaller government in the form of increased federal spending" AND "isolationist foreign policy in the form of overseas force projection" --> Reagan?

    American conservatives have this wonderful way of completely ignoring their own philosophy.

  14. Americans Funded Nazi War Machine by handy_vandal · · Score: 3, Informative
    Pop-quiz: who was Germany's top trading partner in 1938?

    Good point. Indeed, it's worse than that -- much worse.

    Who funded the Nazi war machine? Prescott Bush, among others.
    Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen, who had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938, but who by 1939 had fled Germany and was bitterly denouncing Hitler. Dealing with Nazi Germany wasn't illegal when Hitler declared war on the US, but, six days after Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act. On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City.
    Prescott and his partners made a ton of money banking for the Nazis -- investing in the Wermacht -- throughout the 1930s. Not illegal at the time. A brutal demonstration of man's inhumanity to man, perhaps; but not illegal at the time.

    Herr Bush, of course, is father and grandfather, respectively, to two generations of American Presidents (and one generation of CIA Director).

    See also From Hitler to MX, documenting other examples of 1930's American investment in the Nazi war machine (and how, after the war, American-back ventures survived unbombed, while their competitors where destroyed). Companies involved include General Electric (sold advanced submarine tech for U-boats), and one or more (I forget which) of the big oil firms.

    War is -- dammit -- good for business.

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  15. Americaphage by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Has anyone else noticed that at every chance, Bush has sent the worst possible person to run the government agency that's supposed to protect our rights? It's not just incompetence anymore - this guy hates America.

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  16. (not actually anonymous; one more observation) by happymedium · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Meh! I posted the above, but apparently the great Slashdot didn't see fit to log me on even though I told it to. I'm certainly not afraid to criticize dead conservatives.

    Anyway, one more observation on this topic: conservatives tried to excuse all of the above inconsistencies by saying thay they were for the sake of fighting communism. What are we doing today to keep the charade going? Fighting terrorism! That's really the most relevant parallel between 1984 and today's situation: just like Ingsoc, the U.S. always needs an enemy.

  17. Economy 101 by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Any money has _no_ intrinsic value. What matters is what you can buy with that money.

    If a country sells you ore for 1 million dollars, the value of that million dollars is _only_ what they can buy in return with it. No more, no less. If they can't buy much, then they're giving away their ore to you for free.

    So I wouldn't put much hope in an economy that _only_ exports cash. That's an economy that in reality exports _nothing_.

    If all you export is printed bits of paper, expect the value of those to plummet very very fast.

    The dollar until now did have the saving grace of being perceived as _the_ international standard, and as something worth having reserves of. But again, on the assumption that they can at some point buy stuff with those dollars.

    As that perception starts to fade, well, you're already seeing the effects. A huge trade deficit == a fast drop in currency value, until the value of _real_ exports matches that in imports. If you ever wondered why the dollar took a nose dive recently, now you know why: because of that trade defficit.

    Want to export even more money? Well, then be prepared for the dollar value to fall even more.

    Just keep it up. By the time your salary will be worth a tenth of what it's worth today, well, maybe you'll see what was wrong with that policy.

    "Countries don't refuse to do business with other countries because they don't like them much."

    True. But they might limit how much they're willing to sell you, based on how much you can actually afford to buy. And by "afford", I mean the value of your _exports_.

    "Money is money"

    Precisely because of that. What they're interested is what you can get for that money, not how fast you can print bits of paper.

    "America is now and will always be a huge market"

    China and India are both even bigger markets, and you don't see them being able to afford the same level of imports as you do.

    A huge market that can't pay is not much of a market.

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  18. Stop calling Bush people conservatives by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Bush and those supporting him are neocons not real conservatives.

    As someone who considered themselves conservative before the religious right got involved, these people are an affront to true conservatives. Changing the ethics rules to favor one of their own crooked leadership, labeling someone who volunteered for service in Viet Nam "Hanoi John" because he later protested a loser war while promoting a dope-smoking, draft-dodging, Conneticut Yankee pretending to be a Texan, running up record federal deficits, and passing legislation to try and override state courts are all actions real conservatives should find hugely revolting.

    Conservatives are not your enemy. The Republican party pays lip service to its conservative roots the same way it pays lip service to the religious right. The Republicans are all about money and power at a time the Democrats have gone completely nutless. A lot of times these days you're picking the party that sickens you the least.

    And what's with the religious right? Why aren't all those right wing protestants having a fit about Bush kneeling in front of the Pope's body? Hello, McFly! All the world wondering after the beast...any of that ringing any bells? Or are you just all up about gays getting married these days?

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