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Microsoft Encarta Adopting Wikiesque Process

An anonymous reader writes "The MSN Encarta program manager announced that readers of Microsoft's encyclopedia articles can now edit articles in a Wikipedia-like fashion. Once submitted, edits are reviewed by Encarta staff members for accuracy, readability, and proofreading before being incorporated into the article." From the post: "To support this program, we've hired some new research editors. Their job will be to help you out with things like fact-checking, syntax, and editorial style. Every writer can use a good editor, and we see no reason that community contributors deserve any less." J adds: This won't be a big surprise, but "Your submissions to Encarta must be your own work" and "you grant Microsoft permission to use, copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, modify, translate and reformat your Submission."

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  1. Me Too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't imagine that this will actually work, I mean how many people submit/modify Wikipedia articles each day? It will be impossible for Microsoft's small (in comparison) payed staff to sift through hundreds, even thousands of changes, even if they use an automated filter to reduce the number of poor submissions. The page says a submission may take weeks before it appears, and I think this is being optimistic. In the end I question if this will even yield higher quality articles than Wikipedia, this just seems like Microsoft saying, hey look "me too!"

    1. Re:Me Too! by Stonehand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's possible that because Microsoft will be filtering through a staff rather than immediately accepting updates, that fewer people will post because they know that their updates won't necessarily even be used.

      Of course, since it's Microsoft, the company a considerable number of people love to hate, you could also see the anti-Micro$oft crowd trying to DOS their poor encyclopaedia staff with bogus submissions, but I hope folks aren't THAT hard-up for something to do.

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    2. Re:Me Too! by Neopoleon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "I can't imagine that this will actually work"

      That's a great attitude. Thanks for the vote of confidence.

      "It will be impossible for Microsoft's small (in comparison) payed staff to sift through hundreds, even thousands of changes, even if they use an automated filter to reduce the number of poor submissions."

      Impossible?

      So you've tried it?

      We couldn't possibly know the chances of success without having more information. I work for the company, and *I* don't even have any idea how many people we've hired to handle this.

      There are also assumptions being made here about the volume of changes. It could be that the type of person who is an Encarta customer isn't the type of person who likes to submit corrections/additions, and that the overall traffic might be very *low*.

      I say give it a chance. At worst, it will quietly fail, and nobody gets hurt.

      At best, Encarta becomes a community effort.

      Sounds like it's worth the risk to me.

      "this just seems like Microsoft saying, hey look 'me too!'"

      It's actually very difficult to find *anything* in the tech world that doesn't somehow fall under the category of "me too!"

      Frankly, I'm glad that Microsoft is more concerned with getting a quality product out than with its image as an innovator.

      The fact is, people seem to like Wikipedia, and we're giving it a shot ourselves, not because of the "Hey - we need to be like Wikipedia" factor, but because it seems like a good idea.

      Not only that, but I actually rather like the idea here (and this post is the first I've heard of it). Adding a panel to review submissions for accuracy seems like a good move. If it works, then I think it will greatly enhance the value of the product.

      But, then, I'm biased. I *do* own stock in the company :)

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    3. Re:Me Too! by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know many people who are willing to submit changes and then pay $$ to see it. The whole reason why wiki is successful is because any one can benefit.

      This post is exclusively available for MSN Encarta Premium Subscribers. Already a subscriber? Sign in above.

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  2. Re:Pattern? by TheCabal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, for a group of people who hate Microsoft, they sure do talk about it a lot.

  3. Obvious what they want... by NigelJohnstone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Dns cache poisoning"
    Encarta:
    Separate articles on Cache, DNS and Poison none useful.

    Wikipedia:
    None found, Suggests searching Wikipedia with Google or Yahoo, Google suggests this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoofing_attacks

    Which has a link to this one:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS_cache_poisoning

    Shows you how fresh Wikipedia is, it looks like the DNS Cache poisioning page is too new to be indexed by either Google or Yahoo.
    More to the point I can see why Microsoft wants to go the same way.

  4. open source vs. proprietary by cahiha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Open source: users do all the testing, bug reporting, and create the content.

    Proprietary: same as open source, except you pay some company for the privilege, again and again

  5. Re:Goatse.cx? by Lispy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First of all: chill down. This link leads to a real artivle not an offensive image.
    Second: I must say that Wiki serves me pretty well especially with some cryptic webtrends/names wich I sometimes don't get the first time. It's a great source if you want to know more about things you wouldn't find in any other encyclopedia. This is where Encarta will come in second place I guess.

  6. Re:Can you criticize Microsoft on MS Encarta? by Orgazmus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An article, by Microsoft (or published by), criticizing Microsoft? I really dont think so.

    A community page that cant criticize itself and its creator(s), really dont have anything to do with being a community.
    This is just Microsoft wanting free articles.

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  7. BECAUSE.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wikipedia is useless in getting true information in most cases, it only demonstrates the folly of trying to achieve truth by group consensus.

    Someone says the Earth is round , someone else say it is flat. They can argue about it till the cows come home , but the only way to put the matter to rest is to compromise and say it is square. So then of course Wikipedia will wind up with the asinine statement that the Earth is square. So then the reader comes along and reads the article and thinks he made a step forward when he actually made a step backwards to his quest for knowledge.

    It does not matter that Wikipedia has half a million articles if the bulk of them are loaded with the nutty opinions and hearsay of mouth-foaming raving lunatics pounding away at their keyboards day and night in their personal Jihad to get their version of the world published on Wikipedia.

    Just try to edit any controversial topic on Wikipedia and see what happens within 15 minutes.

    It is scary when you think about it , we are now spreading so much misinformation through the internet through sites like Wikipedia that appear on the surface as legitimate sources but which in reality are mostly conduits of partisan propaganda.

    There used to be a time when Knowledge was the result of real research and facts. Wikipedia and other similar sites have turned knowledge into a duel of dissenting opinions.

    Truth will never be what the editors of Wikipedia and other such sites say it is, Truth is what is regardless of what we would want the world to believe.

    Wikipedia should do the world a favor and at the very least cut the academic pretense and announce that it is only a collection of opinions on any given topic.

    1. Re:BECAUSE.. by Fnkmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Okay, Mr. Troll, so truth is an absolute, and the "mouth-foaming raving lunatics" who write Wikipedia submissions have no particular insight into this absolute truth, but for some reason the editors at Encarta do? Or the people who write academic journal articles? Or the people who write books on the shelf at the library?

      I mean, if truth is a mysterious absolute and everybody's opinion is just some schmoe's biased opinion, why the fuck are these other sources better windows on the truth than Wikipedia? You seem to propose, in a typically ignorant illiberal fashion (not conservative, but illiberal), that the existance of dissenting opinions itself *IS* the problem, and that by presenting a nice, tidy, consistent, biased opinion that neglects the alternative point of view, you somehow get closer to the truth.

      In fact, I have very rarely seen an article on Wikipedia that follows the pattern you suggest, where two sides compromise by writing a complete factual falsehood. Your straw-man simply doesn't exist. Get over it. The entire reason for the NPOV schtick is to get people to present both sides without blatantly saying one opinion is right and the other is wrong, and getting the writers to distinguish between the facts and the interpretations/opinions.

  8. Re:Pattern? by brontus3927 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The five stages of grief are
    • Denial
    • Anger
    • Bargaining
    • Depression
    • Acceptance
    I don't know that a business can be depressed in the emotional sense of the word, but I think Microsoft's strategy RE:Linux has fit this overall theme. I'd say MS is currently moving into the Barganing stage. Hopefully Acceptance won't be that far off. One /.er made a snide remark about a future with a MS Linux distro. The chances of that aren't great, but I would love to see it happen.

    Microsoft's inital position on Linux has been harsh, but do remember, Linux is 1)direct competition to Windows and 2)has a radically differnt philosophy that basically attacks the core of Microsoft's business model. How would anyone here feel if someone sprang up in direct competion to the way you live your life? How do any of us react to luddites and technophobes? Very similarly in spirit to MS's initial reaction to Linux.
    But the shock is starting to where off and Microsoft is realizing that Linux isn't going away. So their learning and changing.

    The changes in Encarta aren't just about embracing wiki. Microsoft's corporate buzzwords, the backbone of the feature set promoted in Office 2003 are integration and colaboration. Microsoft is simply extending that.

  9. The Slashdot Slant Maching Keeps Rolling by LighthouseJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This article text on Slashdot has the highest Anti-Microsoft slant as I've seen in a long time. Not only is Microsoft chastised with using a rather open submission style that happens to be very similar to Wikipedia, a facility Slashdot readers cling to for dear life as a champion of free thought, but a laundry list of rights that Microsoft assumes when you contribute is displayed in a way to render potential contributors with a strong feeling of vulnerability. Let Microsoft do what they want and if you want to contribute, do so. If you don't like Microsofts' project, then ignore it and go on your way. Afterall, actions (and inactions) speak louder than words. Save everyones time and don't make little pitiful stabs at Microsoft when they can't possibly defend themselves in this arena tailored to encourage only those thoughts which agree with yours (the average Slashdot regular) that often aren't neccessarily fair. So censor me and give me my negative moderation because I don't conform to the Slashdot norm, reinforce my point.