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Voom No More

RokaMoka writes "Today the world got a little fuzzier. Voom has announced thay they are shutting down. As a subscriber I can tell you they will be sorely missed, as they far better than the competition. For those of you who are not familiar with voom, they had 3 times as many HiDef channels as the next competitor and a really nice remote control. It sure was pretty while it lasted." I think they died because they don't have a PVR. Hi-Def folks are early adopters and they want the technology. Of course, with all the mess swirling around DirecTV's move to Mpeg4 and the obsolesence of the HD-Tivo, it will be interesting to see what happens next.

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  1. Voom by woah · · Score: 3, Informative

    More info about voom here.

  2. Voom went down because they had no customers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    And shit content, there isn't 3x more HD channels than the next provider, they had a bunch of homemade channels and they just aren't big enough to carry that. They'd need 10s of millions of subscribers to pay for all of that.

    1. Re:Voom went down because they had no customers by TGK · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not sure what you mean by homemade, but I can give you an explanation of how they arived at that number.

      Lots of Vooms channels were "upconverted." IE, they weren't natively filmed in HD, they were filmed in SD and had the extra lines added by some hardware before broadcast.

      Of course, those of us that have groaned in dismay when CSI enhances four pixils into a 1024x758 high res image of a distinctive and case busting tatoo, can easily attest to the reality that you can't create content where none existed.

      Vooms content was HD in format only. It's clear and evident when you look at the final product what's native HD and what's an upconverted mockery.

      Anyone paying through the nose for Vooms services should be savy enough to tell the difference and demand the real thing.

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    2. Re:Voom went down because they had no customers by Temsi · · Score: 2, Informative

      First, let me hope you were just going for a "funny" moderation...

      However, in case you were being serious: I don't know what science fiction you've been reading, but I've been working with digital imaging for the better part of two decades, and these ridiculous CSI image enhancements/upconversions are simply not possible.
      You just cannot take grainy 320x240 video (VHS) - or worse 160x120 as when they have 4x splitscreen security footage - zoom in on the license plate of the car in the background that encompasses all of 8x8 pixels and then "enhance" until you can read not only the number but you can see the date on the DMV sticker...
      Any time you "extract" information by interpreting changes over time, you're simply using math to "speculate" and it wouldn't hold up in court. At least not if I were called as an expert witness.
      A pixel contains brightness and color information, nothing else. Subpixel information is something that is smaller than 1pixel, but yet is being picked up as color and/or brightness information (and due to its size only affects the color/brightness of that one pixel, but is itself not registered in any detail on the image sensor) can only be derived if the subject is moving so its shape can be calculated by comparing the pixels it affects over time, and even then it's not possible to derive anything beyond a general shape. No amount of enhancing can reveal a license plate, tattoo or the name on a prescribed medicine bottle in the reflection on a teapot, like I remember seeing once, which prompted me to laugh out loud. A little like your letter - so if you were indeed going for that "funny" moderation, you should get it.

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  3. Re:Too expensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    About $50 for about 20 HD channels and plenty of others is pretty damn good. I'll miss you voom.
    this is strange. they even sent out a notice a few
    weeks ago explicilty stating they would be continuing service and announced some new offers...

  4. Most will migrate eventually to DirecTV. by MtViewGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The reason is simple: DirecTV has already publicly announced that they will launch more satellites to provide more 720p/1080i high-definition channels from both cable channel provider and local broadcast sources.

    In short, by the end of 2007 your DirecTV receiver dish will get most (if not all) your local channels broadcasting in high-definition along with high-definition signals from the cable channel providers (ESPN/ESPN2 HD, Discovery HD Theater, HDNet, HBO and Showtime in HD, etc.).

  5. PVR didn't kill it by Xeo+024 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Article

    It didn't die because it didn't have PVR. It's death could partly be blamed for the internal family conflict between the Dolans.

    "Earlier this year Chuck Dolan lost a boardroom battle with his son, CEO Jimmy Dolan, that resulted in the company cutting off funding for Voom. "

    and

    "In 2004 Voom lost $661.4 million on paltry revenues of $14.9 million, including $354.9 million in write-downs."

  6. Signal Loss by mecro · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've read numerous reports that VOOM had terrible problems trying to connect people on the west coast, as their satellite supposedly is hovering over the east coast. This meant that their satellite service was more suseptible to rain fade and the like. Anyone have anymore info?

    1. Re:Signal Loss by Xeo+024 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Check out this thread.

      It appears that they did have signal problems in the West Coast, but they were trying to get another satellite up to help fix that problem:

      "Those slots might be used to expand Voom's limited transmission capacity, to create a backup for the single satellite it launched last year off the East Coast of the United States and to improve its ability to reach the West Coast."

      "Cablevision Systems Corp. Wednesday won the bidding for two orbital slots that could help fill a gap in its Voom nationwide satellite TV service.

      The two orbital positions would allow satellites to reach mainly the West Coast.

      Since Voom launched service in October, its single satellite, whose orbital position is off the East Coast, has been weakest in transmitting TV channels to the West Coast, especially the Seattle and Portland areas."

  7. Re:Mpeg4? by tivoKlr · · Score: 5, Informative
    There was a discussion recently on /. about the transition to mpeg4, mostly about how it would screw the hdtivo owners.

    Basically, when the spaceway sats go up, there will be a transition to mpeg4 and an elimination of mpeg2 saving bandwidth, allowing for more hd channels and tons of hd locals, etc.

    Hopefully there will be a reasonably priced hd pvr offered too...

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  8. Zoom sucked to start with by Brad1138 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am a professional satellite installer. I work for a small independent company in Washington state. We install both Dish and DTV. We looked at Zoom to see if we wanted to install it as well. It is true that all of there channels were broadcast in 1080i or 720p but most of these channels source material was not HD. Anyone who has ESPN in HD knows what I mean, just about the only time you actually get HD is Sports Center. Also there only satellite being way on the east cost made it next to impossible to get it on the west coast, line of sight was only about 8 degrees off horizon. I have Dish myself but I cant wait for DTVs mpeg4 system to come online.

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  9. Re:voom required land-line phone by pyite69 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Our installer said it wasn't required except for Pay Per View.

    Just like every other cable or satellite has been for a decade... where have you been.

  10. Re:My HDTV Trivails by TheSync · · Score: 2, Informative

    Regarding modulation, the most recent demodulator chipsets for 8-VSB now perform just as well as COFDM receive chipsets. They can handle multiple ghosts, pre-ghosts, etc.

    But only a small percentage of Americans depend on over-the-air transmission of any kind, most are on cable or satellite, so I don't think you can blame the current state of US HDTV on 8-VSB. I'm not sure HD has caught on anywhere on the planet, including COFDM modulation countries!

    HD's problem has been one of inertia and technological mismatch. People have to spend a lot of money to get into HDTV, and while it looks cool, most people haven't been drawn to it (unlike, say, an iPod, which it seems like everyone NEEDS to have, and can be picked up for a few hundred dollars).

    The tech mismatch is that over-the-air reception generally needs another box, cable and DBS systems receive HD differently as well. The technical end of getting HD into your set is beyond most people's "technological knowledge or care level".

    Moreover, HD content has lagged because of the market lag...chicken and egg.

    On the other hand, HD sets are now finally starting to really sell. Look out for the DirectTV offerings on their Ka-band spot-beam satellites. They'll have a lot of virgin bandwidth for HD. Voom got out there about one year too early for the HD set market.

  11. Re:Good Riddance. by rossjudson · · Score: 3, Informative

    Gee thanks, moron sales guy. Good thing people like you were pounding the nails into the coffin; now we can all go back to watching shitty cable and shitty satellite quality. I hope you enjoy pushing turd products, 'cause that's where your career is headed.

    I dumped DirecTV and got Voom based on picture quality. Voom has the best technology right now, period. Their price point is also pretty damn good.

    Voom's own HD programming was not all that interesting, with the exceptions of the travel channel and the Rave music channel, both of which were excellent. Where Voom was/is the best is delivery of all the other stuff.

    For each of HBO, Showtime, Starz, Max, etc...the full HD feeds for both coasts are available. Every channel that had an HD version is carried -- ESPN HD, Discovery, TNTHD, etc...That's a lot of good HD content, and you pretty much don't want to go back to watching the conventional crap afterwards. DirecTV's crap-ass HD offering: ONE HBO HD channel, ONE Showtime HD channel, ESPNHD, Discovery HD. Oh, and please pay an extra $11 for that. Wahoo. Yeah, we're all MUCH better off without Voom.

    One thing that isn't mentioned very often is that Voom's SD channels are of _substantially_ higher quality than other satellite systems. SciFi, a channel that needs HD more than anybody else, is quite watchable in SD on Voom. Not so on DirecTV, where it looks like a bag of colored lego with rainbow blocking MPEG distortion so painful that if you threw up on the screen watching it, you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the puke and the image. (Once upon a time DirecTV's PQ was actually decent. Those days are long gone, and they're the reason I switched to Voom).

    What I still can't figure out is exactly why Voom failed in the market, given that the product was dramatically superior to everything else out there, in cost and performance. Talk about a marketing failure!

    I guess when Voom started out it was really pricy and unreliable. By the time I got my Voom box, the service was reliable, the price was WAY cheaper than anything else, and I've been completely satisfied from day one (with the except of an HD DVR -- I still use a plain old SD Tivo for that, and it works fine with Voom).

    Well, fuck it. Summer's here anyway, and my spiffy Samsung DLP will just stay dark more often. I'll probably get skin cancer, and it'll be James Dolan's fault.