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AOL and XM Joining Forces for Online Radio

Josh writes "BetaNews is reporting that AOL and XM are joining forces to make available 20 XM music channels plus 130 of its own available to anyone on the internet for free starting this summer. AOL members will have free broadband access to 70 XM channels, although apparently there are plans for a $5/month option for non-subscribers. The deal means AOL Music specials will make it onto XM's channels, and XM promos will be heard across AOL Music's properties."

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  1. And its going to be called by youngerpants · · Score: 3, Funny

    AOLTimeWarnerXMMSNBC......

  2. Yeah, free... by jspayne · · Score: 3, Insightful
    AOL members will have free broadband access to 70 XM channels, although apparently there are plans for a $5/month option for none subscribers.

    Free, if you are paying for AOL.

    Sirius already has free access to all of its music stations - if you have a subscription to Sirius.

    Jeff

    1. Re:Yeah, free... by isa-kuruption · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So does XM, http://listen.xmradio.com/. I'm listening right now.

      The real advantage to this, of course, is that XM increases it's potential customer base. Customers who will use the XM via AOL option will fall in love with a couple channels and end up getting units and paying the $12.99/mo. Of course, I'm all for this... I'm a shareholder (tm).

    2. Re:Yeah, free... by mmkkbb · · Score: 2, Informative

      From TFA:
      The co-branded service will be free to all Web users, with a premium counterpart that includes more stations for a small monthly fee.

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    3. Re:Yeah, free... by justforaday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Free sure has taken on some funny meanings lately...Also see the "free" upgrade to Dark Age of Camelots story that ran a few days ago. You get a "free" upgrade so long as you pay their monthly service fee...

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    4. Re:Yeah, free... by infonography · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It's not a positive change, if you get into bed even for a moment with AOL they will keep billing you. This is that slimey practice they have not changed. I tried their Netscape dialup and got burned instantly. Even after cancelling the service days after starting it they are still trying to steal money from my account.

      I am all for XM but keep AOL out of your life.

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    5. Re:Yeah, free... by adamanthaea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This bit of the article makes me worry a bit: "An enhanced high-bandwidth version of the service will feature 70 XM stations for around $5 USD per month, although specific pricing has not yet been set. XM plans to replace its current Web radio offering, which became free to subscribers last week, with the AOL-powered service when it launches." XM just upped the monthly fee by 3 dollars for "free" Web radio. Quite frankly, I almost never use it. If I'm at my computer, I have the actual receiver going into my computer. If I'm somewhere else on the network, sometimes I will use it if I'm at a computer with speakers. When I'm at home, I can't really use it because of the limitations of dial-up. Does this mean that for the extra 3 bucks that XM subscribers will still get the 70 XM channels plus all the AOL stuff? Or would I have to shell out even more (which I can tell you right now is not going to happen) or do I get the option to drop the Web radio and get back to the old monthly cost?

    6. Re:Yeah, free... by xs650 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sirius already has free access to all of its music stations - if you have a subscription to Sirius.

      You can also have free access to Sirius without paying for Sirius. Just for access to Dish TV to get free access to Sirius.

      TAANSTSAFL

  3. None Subscriber? by some_schmuck · · Score: 2, Funny
    ... for none subscribers.
    I think the poster meant 'for nun subscribers', as once again AOL shows it's willing to bend over backwards for the Catholic church.
  4. AOL CD's? by john.mull · · Score: 3, Funny

    Next up, AOL will publish the worst of the music onto CD's so that you can surf AOL offline. The new CD's will be made by the billions and distributed to a snail mailbox near you.

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  5. When will satellite radio become profitable? by bfline · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Listen to the XM CEO on NPR.org

    XM Satellite Radio has added more than a half million subscribers in the last 3 months and shares of XM have quintupled over the last 2 years. Questions discussed in the npr broadcast: Can XM continue its meteoric growth? When will satellite radio become profitable? Is there room for both XM and rival Sirius?

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    1. Re:When will satellite radio become profitable? by Professor_UNIX · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Is there room for both XM and rival Sirius?

      I personally hope they merge. I'm torn between shows I'd like to hear on both networks but I'm not about to get two seperate radios and pay two seperate subscription fees per month. It'd be like HBO and Showtime only being available on DirecTV and Cinemax and TMC are only available on Dish.

    2. Re:When will satellite radio become profitable? by calbanese · · Score: 5, Informative

      So far competition has been very good for satellite radio. Sirius dropped commericals from music channels, and XM followed them. Sirius put its music on the net for free, and XM also put theirs online for free (for some subscribers).

      Add me to the list of people who want to see competition.

  6. AOL is a big target by bigtallmofo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How long until spammers and spyware authors figure out how to have audio ads played constantly throughout the "ad-free" XM radio channels?

    I'm not sure if anyone looks forward to the days that XM content is sponsored by V1@g@ra!

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  7. What a great idea! by jaakko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would gladly pay a monthly fee for hearing music that I can't choose, and maybe advertisements every now and then! It's like radio, but it costs money and bandwidth!

    1. Re:What a great idea! by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      music that I can't choose

      That should read: 'don't have to choose'

      That's the whole point if these services are run right: you get to enjoy good music without wading through thousands of titles and deciding what should be played. It's like going to a good restaurant, and telling the chef you trust to just fix you a really nice dinner. Some unexpected pieces are part of the experience, and just like the chef (who costs you more than the food would at the grocery store), you're buying someone's time and expertise - and trusting them to get it at least mostly right most of the time.

      Places like RadioIO have been doing a pretty good job at this for a while now. It's worth the cost of a six pack of Guiness to have someone else spend all month digging up music for me to hear.

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    2. Re:What a great idea! by cowscows · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. When TV over the internet becomes a reality, I don't want to have to find 30 different channels that I like and send each of them $1/month to subscribe. I'd rather buy a package deal, where I just pay one bill, where someone else will keep track of whether a particular channel is having financial or technical difficulties, etc. It only sucks with current cable TV because we're stuck with huge monopoly companies that are basically free to treat us poorly.

      If the industry doesn't get too swamped by legislation and unfair competition, it'd be feasible for there to be hundreds of these different companies offering different packages. Competition will force them to offer smaller and more focused packages, so I can find what I like, and maybe get some new stuff that's similar, and that I might not have discovered on my own.

      While the internet and micropayments could create an economy without the middle men skimming some of the money, I'd be pretty happy with an economy consisting of a wider range of middle men, forcing a lot more competition between them. They would be less distributors and more aggregators/organizers. We're going to need that if we want the internet's vast info stores to be useful. Note the success of, oh....say, Google?

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  8. is is missing a chance to revitalize itself... by dAzED1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    for years, techies laughed at users of AOL and said it wasn't the "real" internet. AOL didn't work with normal browsers, wouldn't allow one to have access to normal things, etc.

    There is a HUGE market for that now. Imagine an environment where spam is mostly non-existent because the network is isolated and only approved hosts can send email. Imagine an environment where sites didn't do mischevious things to your system. There's a market out there right now almost screaming to get the very thing for which AOL used to be criticized. There are millions of people out there that don't want 15,124,617,179,945,562 different search results for what they're after (esp when only 5 of them will be what they actually want, the first being on page 20 or so, and the rest will be trash), and they don't care to have to deal with all the other junk out there.

    A couple nights ago I was looking for something online, and my wife and our roommate were in the room goofing off. After having to wade through pages of squatter-crap and such that had all the dumb tags that improve search engine results, I yelled "what have you people done to my beloved internet? It was a wonderful place until you all started getting on too!" I was only half-kidding. I never used AOL (I owned an ISP back in 95, and after that went to broadband for personal use) but I would count myself as someone that would sign up for a trusted environment.

  9. Howard Stern and $500 million reasons by bfline · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Stern, who signed a five-year deal with the other satellite company, Sirius, worth an estimated $500 million, left no doubt about his allegiance at the event. "Once you start listening to (satellite), it's like crack," Stern said to cheers. "You will be addicted."

    XM has to do something to stay competitive with Sirius to stay on the map.

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    1. Re:Howard Stern and $500 million reasons by Anita+Coney · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Sirius deal with Stern is going to go down in history as a huge failure. Offensive humor only works because it breaks rules. Thus, Stern is only successful because people get shocked at what he does. They'll comment such as, "Can you believe what Stern got away with this morning?!"

      After a few years of Stern having no limits, people are going to get bored and stop listening.

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    2. Re:Howard Stern and $500 million reasons by fishdan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow -- I have a feeling you're trolling but I'll bite. People don't listen to Howard Stern because he breaks the rules. People listen to him because he's FUNNY, and frequently insightful. Whether or not they'll pay $10/month to listen to him is another question, and we'll just have to wait and see -- but I do know that the radio industry is full of people who missed on on huge opportunities by betting against Howard Stern.

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  10. Apple could make this irrelevant by sjonke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    by providing an iTMS Subscription service, ala Napster's "On the Go". Napster offers (reportedly) poor quality, no indie music and no support for the Mac (all of which are deal killers for me.) If there were a similar, but done right, "on the go" subscription service for iTMS, for me it would put the last nail into "broadcast" music radio (not that it had much life anyway), be it satellite or otherwise. Apple could provide daily (hourly?) "radio" playlists sans "radio personalities" (and perhaps even some with "personalities" inserted between some tracks if you wish) that you can select to sync directly with your iPod to carry it with you. And with that on your iPod you can skip forward, back, pause, etc. Try that on XM. Not to mention that you could do it yourself, including exactly what you wanted, if Apple extended iTunes so that, with a subscription, the iTMS became part of your iTunes "Library", and thus applicable to "smart playlists".

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  11. Music wants to be free by RocketRainbow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As a musician I believe that music ought to be free. I can't bear the thought of my work only going to horrible radio stations that are going to try to make the kids buy things they don't want.

    But I'm powerless to stop it.

    When my album is recorded my preference will be to make it available for download from a simple website. This will provide excellent exposure for my performance and encourage people to visit my performance. Very few musicians make good money from CD sales - they traditionally kept the public enjoying the performance and sparked enthusiasm for visiting a show. The very best of us perform in large stadiums, earning thousands of dollars in a single night (of lip-synching).

    I'll be encouraging the kids to build up nice big playlists so they don't have to listen to the radio tell them what to buy. I don't think that AOL internet radio is a useful step at this point.

    If you enjoy radio, then I suggest you listen to Triple J - available from the ABC website www.abc.net.au.

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  12. www.spinner.com by crazyfrenchmen · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What about spinner? It got bought by netscape and then by AOL. Now it's the internet radio offer from AOL. Any idea where it fit in the picture?

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  13. XM Radio Online, meh by rainwalker · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been a subscriber for a couple years, and they recently "forced" everyone to add their online radio bit to their subscription, in the form of a $3/mo rate hike, but then you get the online radio for "free". So far, I've been very underwhelmed, for a couple reasons:

    1. The player uses lots of Flash trickery that doesn't work well, as far as I can tell- the ticker that tells you what song you are listening to is frequently wrong.
    2. The player itself is WMP, which is useless to me at home (with no Windows machines); I loathe their choice, but I'm sure they had to go with WMP due to contractual concerns from the record labels, and WMP offers strong DRM.
    3. The real killer, though, is the shitty quality- the "high quality" mode is only 64kbps, and sounds like crap. I am not an audiophile, and most of my music is 128k/160k mp3's, which sound great to me. XM radio sounds great to me. XM radio online sounds terrible. So, it's pretty much worthless, IMHO.

    1. Re:XM Radio Online, meh by rebelcool · · Score: 3, Informative

      the sound quality is very tinny (although better than netscape/aol radio) and the selection of channels is kind of poor. Many of the novel XM radio channels arent available online.

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  14. Satellite vs internet radio by acomj · · Score: 2

    Its interesting, with the internet it would be relatively cheap to set up a "radio" station, compared with the huge overhead of launching satellites etc.

    With wireless internet becoming more prevalant/cheaper over the next 10 years in suburban/urban areas, satelite radio could be obsolete in those areas (bumped by cheaper internet radio), so they need to get the brand and marketing out there. Its also cheap for the satelite radio stations to stream over the internet since they've already paid to "program" each station.

    Interestingly enough you can listen to low quality streams already. Actually large difference in quality between an high quality MP3 and satelite radio is convincing enough for me not to subscribe when my XM trial is turned off. (I can tell the distance in a moving car with road noise etc..) Although the selection on satellite radio isn't bad, my collection is better..

  15. Re:connection speed by Spydr · · Score: 2, Informative

    not sure about AOL stuff, but XM online offers either 32k or 64k windows media streams...

    they sound about like a 64k and 128k mp3, respectively

  16. Launchcast by helix400 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If it doesn't let me custom build my own radio station, then there is no way I'm switching from LaunchCast from Yahoo

    Its cheaper too. =)

  17. XM technology, Sirius content by Reignking · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From a strategic point of view, this seems consistent with what XM has done and says it will continue to do -- be ahead of Sirius on technology. They had their satellites up first; they've got the first walkman-sized radio, and now they've got a way to allow millions of more users hear their signal. XM is focusing on how users hear them, while Sirius is focusing on what users hear...

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  18. Re:AOL to get XM online? by lemonk · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can listen to all the XM channels online since you're already a subscriber. Chill...they just opened it up as of March.

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