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MS Plans Low-Cost Windows for Brazil

Atryn writes "According to this C|NET article, Microsoft is planning to release its XP Starter Edition in Brazil. Could the pressure of Brazil's overtures toward Linux be forcing Microsoft Brasil to compete?"

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  1. What is Microsoft thinking? by gangofwolves · · Score: 5, Informative
    According to the CIA World Factbook, Brazil has a per capita GDP of $8,900. US per capita GDP is $37,800 (all US-$, all figures 2003 est.).

    And this doesn't even take distribution of wealth into account. According to the above mentioned source 25% of Brazil's population are below the poverty line. In reality, it's much more (they are notorious for not keeping track of economical data or even just plain making stuff up).

    So you have a small upper class, a small middle class, a huge blue collar working class (with many people out of work) and a lot of people unaccounted for.

    If you're living on $741 a month, do you really spend $36 on a license you essentially don't need (since there's no enforcement in Brazil). Also, consider that those $36 are 20% of your monthly income (not of your monthly disposable income).

    I don't really get who the folks at Microsoft think their target audience is. The upper class can afford XP Pro/Home licenses. They've either already purchased those (probably OEM licenses) or simply don't care. Anyone outside that demographic just won't be able to afford a Starter license, even if they wanted to.

    1. Re:What is Microsoft thinking? by rcastro0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Some info direct from Brazil.

      Everybody here is missing the point. The $741 is an average, and Brazil has (literally) one of the worst income distributions in the world. Upper and middle class are less than 5% of the population (depends a little on your class definition, but not far from 5%). Minimum wage is about 100 dollars a month. A blue collar worker usually makes from 200 to 400 dollars a month (this at the company I work at, which has over 4000 employees, so it is a representative sample). I think anyone who thinks this starter version will have *any* penetration (except perhaps through OEM agreements) will be proven wrong.

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  2. Re:Starter Edition? by Ruke · · Score: 5, Informative
    Look at the system requirements:

    * Desktop PC with a Celeron, Duron, Geode, Sempron or similar processor; 233 MHz processor clock speed required and 300 MHz or higher recommended
    * 64 MB of RAM; 128 MB of RAM maximum
    * 1.5 GB of available hard disk space, 40 GB maximum hard disk space
    * CD-ROM or DVD drive
    * Super VGA 800x600 resolution video adaptor and monitor
    * Microsoft Mouse or compatible pointing device

    Microsoft also doesn't want you running this if you don't have a ****-box PC. 128 RAM max?
  3. Re:M$ is still robbing them no matter what. by G-funk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yeah, either that, or... you could, you know... Just not buy their software. Or buy it second-hand.

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  4. Here in Argentina by cachimaster · · Score: 1, Informative

    Microsoft got a "deal" with our Mother f^D^D^D^D^D^D^Dminister of economy, and the same plan, will come with windows XP home pre-installed. Result: the machines will cost 150u$s more than in Brazil. (They are lousy celerons)
    By the way...I am a high-payed programmer, my salary is about 800u$s, even I can't afford Windows. Posting from ubuntu :)

  5. Price Discrimination Maximizes Profits by CodeBuster · · Score: 4, Informative

    If Microsoft does indeed have monopoly power (e.g., they face a downward sloping demand curve) then they would maximize their profits by price discrimination. Price discrimination means charging each group of customers the maximum amount that they are willing or able to pay for the product or service. This is the winning strategy for any monopoly assuming that they are not legally restricted from price discriminating. Thus, this type of behavior by Microsoft is not surprising, but rather entirely expected as per the textbook examples of unrestricted monopolies.

  6. Re:Starter Edition? by Neopoleon · · Score: 2, Informative

    "On the other hand, only three applications simultaneously? Opening up the process manager, I see 54 running processes"

    First off, and I know this sounds cheap, but is there really anything *wrong* with only being able to run three apps simultaneously?

    I've been thinking about writing an app which would limit the number of apps I could keep open, mostly in attempt to mitigate the technology-produced ADD I seem to have developed since I started multitasking in Desqueview and my Unix dialup account "back in the day."

    Also, Windows is a little different from *nix in the sense that, although an application is a process, a process is *not* necessarily an application. It's a weird distinction, but it's there.

    Taking a look at my process list, I can see all kinds of crap - I have 69 processes listed right now, and I'm clueless as to what most of them are doing..

    However, if I go to the *Applications* tab of Task Manager rather than the *Processes* tab, I can see that I only have four apps open (already over the Brazil limit ;) ).

    So most of those processes don't count toward the limit.

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  7. err, no by x2A · · Score: 2, Informative

    The celeron processors have a smaller L2 cache than their equiv pentium processor. L2 cache being SRAM is expensive to produce, so removing it (well, actually, not producing it on the chip in the first place) actually reduces the production cost.

    From what I remember of the 486SX/DX thing, the DX had an on-chip FPU but the SX didn't - or in fact the SX did, but due to manufacturing process, the FPU was damaged and so disabled. So they either sell them for less, or they bin them.

    This is totally different from stripping out/disabling parts of code from a piece of software (which costs extra for MS to do).

    -2A

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  8. Re:Starter Edition? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Windows 2000 will run very well in 128MB if you limit yourself to programs from the year 2000. Stay away from bloatware like Mozilla and Office 2003 and you'll be fine.

  9. Re:Good base for NEXT XP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    BeatrIX Linux.

    Four Apps.

    That's it.

    (with apt-get of course.)

    Small, Simple, Elegant.

    www.watsky.net

  10. Mod parent down. by leathered · · Score: 4, Informative

    This idiot 'redswinglinestapler' is copying comments from previous articles and posting them verbatim. Please add to your foes list and mod the shithead into oblivion whenever you get the chance.

    Example, here's a comment I posted.

    Spot the difference

    For more incriminating evidence check out the user page

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  11. Plagiarism by leathered · · Score: 2, Informative

    This idiot 'redswinglinestapler' is copying comments from previous articles and posting them verbatim. Please add to your foes list and mod the shithead into oblivion whenever you get the chance.

    Example, here's a comment I posted.

    Spot the difference

    For more incriminating evidence check out the user page All of this user's comments have been plagiarised.

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  12. Re:Brazilian and US oranges and apples don't compa by marcosdumay · · Score: 2, Informative

    This computer is more near R$1.400 (US$540) than US$1.400. And I am taking into accout pieces bought on legitimate stores (that pays the importation tax) at Nort East region, that spends a big deal on transportation.

  13. Re:Kill children instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Sadly true. This site explains what's going on.

  14. Re:Bzzzt.... by DickBreath · · Score: 2, Informative

    $200 million to secure the *FIRST* 1 million users.

    You mean first 1 million addicts.

    Remember boys, the first hit is always free. You know that the free hit is just a cost of doing business.

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