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Minority Report UI For The Military

merryprankster writes "New Scientist is reporting that a 'Minority Report' style interface is being developed by defense company Raytheon. Users don a pair of reflective gloves and manipulate images projected on a panoramic screen. A mounted camera keeps track of hand movements and a computer interprets gestures. Raytheon has even employed John Underkoffler, the researcher who proposed the interface to the makers of the film. Now just wait till Billboards start scanning your iris."

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  1. pr0n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    i wonder what viewing porn will be like with these new gloves.

    1. Re:pr0n by John+Seminal · · Score: 3, Funny
      i wonder what viewing porn will be like with these new gloves

      You would not view porn. It would become more interactive. You would hump a wall.

      I just hope sex does not turn into "Demolition Man".

      Lenina: "Would you like to have sex?"
      John Spartan: "Oh yes!"
      Lenina: "Put this on"
      John Spartan: "What's that? And where does it go?"

      BTW, anyone ever figure out how the three shells work?

      --

      Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."

    2. Re:pr0n by mboverload · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hard to watch porn when it keeps going up and down in the playlist.

    3. Re:pr0n by slittle · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's one hell of a "boss button" - just like real life.. when you're about to get caught, grab the pr0n and throw it as far away as possible/under something else.

      Or.. *waves hand* this isn't teh pr0n you're looking for. err, I mean.. *waves* Hi boss! Yep, just checking these figures here, see? No problem.

      --
      Opportunity knocks. Karma hunts you down.
    4. Re:pr0n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      > Or.. *waves hand* this isn't teh pr0n you're looking for. err, I mean.. *waves* Hi boss! Yep, just checking these figures here, see? No problem.

      "Hi, slittle! Why the fuck are you masturbating to an Excel spreadsheet?"

    5. Re:pr0n by moranar · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hehehe. You don't know how to use the three shells. Man...

      --
      "I think it would be a good idea!"
      Gandhi, about Internet Security
    6. Re:pr0n by Hogwash+McFly · · Score: 3, Funny

      With figures like these, who wouldn't?

      --
      Mother, do you think they'll like this sig?
  2. Yes, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    When will it carve wooden balls?

    1. Re:Yes, but by IronChefMorimoto · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd be more interested in whose names will be on the balls...

      [soldier at facility] "Alert the president. We have a black ball. It's the Ayatollah. He'll want to handle this one personally. Get the spider hole team ready. We leave in 5. We'll stay for 5 too."

      [2nd solider] "Sir! We have another ball -- red. It appears that North Korea is tipping on its Axis of Evil."

      [1st soldier] "You can ignore that one. We always do. A nutjob with nukes isn't nearly as scary as these dictatorial types with oil."

      IronChefMorimoto

    2. Re:Yes, but by LionKimbro · · Score: 2, Informative

      When it get's attached to this.

  3. BORING by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought it was going to be an interface consisting of three psychic kids in tanks making all your decisions before you. That would be much more useful.

    1. Re:BORING by John+Seminal · · Score: 5, Funny
      I thought it was going to be an interface consisting of three psychic kids in tanks making all your decisions before you. That would be much more useful.

      They would do a better job than Bush. Hell, three not-so-psychic kids would do a better job than Bush.

      --

      Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."

    2. Re:BORING by Lehk228 · · Score: 2, Funny

      somebody call a fucking WAAAAAAAmbulance

      --
      Snowden and Manning are heroes.
  4. Wow - this technology is so new.... by tonsofpcs · · Score: 4, Informative

    It has been being done for years by the film and video industry, albeit mainly not in realtime, but such places as the Liberty Science Center had interactive games that used contrasting colors to determine what the player was doing [they had basketball for sometime where you wore either a chroma-blue or chroma-green glove]

    1. Re:Wow - this technology is so new.... by LnxAddct · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wouldn't it be easier to just put 5 little transmitters on the tips of the fingers and triangulate all fingers. It'd be much more accurate and have much less noise in the data. Some may argue that itd be too battery intensive, but there could be two solutions. A) The transmitters would be very low power because the distance needed wouldn't be very much and no intense processing would be needed on their part, they just have to send out some unique signal with time data. I know bluetooth devices now (PDAs and CellPhones) use bluetooth for hours without recharging in addition to full color screens and running a processor. This would just need the transmitter so a battery could last a very long time in addition to the distance being very short. B) Just use some kind of highly sensitive rfid technology so the gloves are "self powering" (not sure if the tech is at that stage yet).
      Regards,
      Steve

    2. Re:Wow - this technology is so new.... by Short+Circuit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The shape of your hand and, thus, how it interacts with things, can't be determined with just the positions of your finger tips.

      For example, notice you can independently bend your second and third knuckes. (Counting from the fingertip, that is.) Each possibility leads to a unique shape.

      I suspect the least uncomfortable system would be to have latex gloves with unqiuely-colored spots on key areas. Use a binary system with paints that only reflect at specific wavelengths, and create custom CCDs that detect on each of these channels. Reserve one wavelength for "invalid", to increase contrast between valid sensor spots and the rest of the glove.

    3. Re:Wow - this technology is so new.... by plover · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Well, if you had position and orientation for each fingertip pad, there'd pretty much be only one position the hand could be in to achieve it. The rest of the parts of the fingers and hand could be interpolated.

      Try an experiment: fix your wrist, then position your fingertips in any configuration. Now, try moving any of your hand or finger bones while keeping the fingertips in the exact same position and orientation. It's very difficult, and you probably can't move those other bones too far.

      Besides, it would be very rare indeed if the orientation of the second and third knuckles independent of the fingertips would be relevant to the task being performed. And even if that were true, trying that experiment shows me the interpolated position probably wouldn't vary by more than a few degrees at most.

      Getting back to data gloves in general, I always thought the real data glove from many years ago was a clever piece of engineering. The one I remember seeing had an IR transceiver mounted on one side of each joint, and the IR beam was interrupted by variable width "vanes" affixed to the other side of each joint. The degree of flex was correlated to the amount of IR that was passed through the isolator. No moving or rotating parts to wear out (except for the glove,) and no friction for the user.

      --
      John
  5. Johnny Mnemonic by headkase · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Finally, a good explanation for the data-gloves Reeves used in the movie.

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    Shh.
  6. This looks like a great recipe for an accident :/ by Paris+The+Pirate · · Score: 3, Funny

    I am way too clumsy to be trusted with one of these things. I have visions of my self slipping and dragging everything where it is not supposed to be dragged. Or something. Maybe I just fear change.

  7. Where do the $5,000 toilet seats go? by John+Seminal · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This appears to be wasteful spending. I wonder what congressional district the defense company is located in?

    The system under development at Raytheon lets users don a pair of reflective gloves and manipulate images projected on a panoramic screen. A mounted camera keeps track of hand movements and a computer interprets gestures

    "Hand gestures, unlike a mouse or pointer, work really well when data is represented on wall-sized displays, for example."

    And where in the field will this be used?

    Am I the only one who gets scared when I imagine what a room in the pentagon might look like, with Generals wearing special glasses, and moving projected data off walls?

    --

    Rosco: "If brains were gunpowder, Enos couldn't blow his nose."

    1. Re:Where do the $5,000 toilet seats go? by FredThompson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The U.S. military has operated in 3 dimensions since the Civil War.

      This might be useful in air combat control. There's got to be a limit to what can be conveyed on a flat computer screen or edge-lit piece of glass.

      It might also be useful for detecting patterns in huge amounts of data. You've probably seen images where data is represented by a 3D projection. If you could manipulate the interpretation from inside, maybe you could see patterns more readily than from a fixed viewing point outside the system.

      Besides, think of how fun it would be to play Populous with one of these and really "shoot" lightning bolts out of your fingers.

      Pretty dangerous if you pick your nose or scratch your crotch, though, don't you think?

    2. Re:Where do the $5,000 toilet seats go? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This appears to be wasteful spending.

      Someone probably said the same thing about ARPANET.

      I wonder what congressional district the defense company is located in?

      Edward J. Markey (Ranking Democrat on the Telecommunications and Internet subcommittee)

      Raytheon is based in Waltham, Massachussetts, but they have offices everywhere. Canada, Japan, Oz...
      And they are Linux friendly.

      And where in the field will this be used?
      One use might be a virtual sand table. Not everything the military does is 'in the field'.

      Am I the only one who gets scared when I imagine what a room in the pentagon might look like, with Generals wearing special glasses, and moving projected data off walls?

      Probably.
      Generals don't move data. They direct Col's and Majors to do that.

    3. Re:Where do the $5,000 toilet seats go? by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pretty dangerous if you pick your nose or scratch your crotch, though, don't you think?

      So it's an interface for third base coaches?

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      Can you be Even More Awesome?!
    4. Re:Where do the $5,000 toilet seats go? by Ziviyr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This appears to be wasteful spending.

      Someone probably said the same thing about ARPANET.


      ARPANET wasn't about replacing nimble control with sluggish/gross control or mimicking movies that involved lotto balls as a core element.

      I really don't see much here that can't be done using a smaller finger controlled representation of the bigger one.

      The arm waving thing is generally idiotic, like most Speilberg stuff...

      --

      Someone set us up the bomb, so shine we are!
    5. Re:Where do the $5,000 toilet seats go? by bcmm · · Score: 2, Informative

      So why not use a big touchscreen? I've used on of those, it has a projector, and you can click, double-click, drag, everything except right-click really easiely by just touching it.

      --
      # cat /dev/mem | strings | grep -i llama
      Damn, my RAM is full of llamas.
  8. More than a defence contractor by 9mm+Censor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Raytheon is more than a defence contractor. They make alot of commercial electronics, including alot of marine equipment such as radar and radios.

  9. imagine the "training aid" by FredThompson · · Score: 3, Funny

    A buddy of mine used to defend Windows Solitaire while in the Navy by claiming it was a clever interface training aid. That worked on every senior officer who complained about "playing games."

    What "training aid" will ship with these gloves? Virtual handball?

    Ooohhh...VirtualBoy on steroids!!

  10. Has potential (that's being wasted) by menace3society · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The advantage of using gloves is not to get a more intuitive, 3-D version of the mouse. The advantage to gloves is that you can have more than one (or two) pointers on a screen. Imagine using photoshop or some other editing software, and, instead of having to mouse around or hit keys to change tools, you just contracted a different finger. Touch typing is much faster than hunt-and-peck; why shouldn't the same be the case for graphical interfaces?

  11. Do they also replicate the part of the interface.. by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Funny

    .. where to copy a file from one side of the room to the other, they essentially use a ***giant floppy disk***? Sure, it was a cool floppy disk, with live action video playing on it, but still... its a floppy disk.

    You'd have thunk that by the time they had perfected 3D holography and VR manipulation, they could at least have kept up with some high-capacity networking. I guess not - floppys are the future!

  12. Jim Allchin: "That'll be in Longhorn too." by michaeldot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Tomorrow's news today: Microsoft invites bloggers with high readership to dinner. Shows them previews of Minority Report style interface. Bloggers write gushing reports about it.

  13. I'm Impressed by Effugas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In tech, we often find ourselves referring to the Hollywood Operating System. You know, the one where every key press makes a "click" sound, and passwords are cracked one character at a time (admittedly, something that actually worked against Windows 9x file shares).

    I was actually impressed with the UI in Minority Report. I'm not saying it was necessarily perfect, but it wasn't obviously ridiculous either. There is a need to monitor information flows across many different sources, to simultaneously sense them, and to have the ability to integrate on demand. A large display with linkable data nodes is one approach that deserves further analysis.

    1. Re:I'm Impressed by WhatsAProGingrass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but if you watch carefully, they still need to transfer data onto a disk to get information from one computer 5ft away from the other computer. Blows my mind why they just can't do it wirelessly, or even have the computer's hard wired, they are so close.

      --
      Mark
    2. Re:I'm Impressed by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      In tech, we often find ourselves referring to the Hollywood Operating System. You know, the one where every key press makes a "click" sound, and passwords are cracked one character at a time (admittedly, something that actually worked against Windows 9x file shares).

      Not to mention that text appears line by line on screen (slower than a PCXT) with a sound reminiscent of a line printer...

      I was actually impressed with the UI in Minority Report.

      I don't know why MR is getting the "credit" for this. It's hardly a new idea in academia; in fiction there's of course Neuromancer-style cyberspace (and and many others), and in movies 1995's Johnny Mnemonic (almost exactly the same) and 1994's Disclosure (full body immersion).

      The latter reminds me of another element of the Hollywood interface: files are deleted line by line, or page by page, as you watch... and no one ever seems to have an offline backup, one copy is all there is.

  14. Re:This looks like a great recipe for an accident by michaeldot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Then you better try the Apple solution: it will only come with one glove.

  15. Interesting, but misguided by MyIS · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I see this as being pretty exhausting after prolonged use. Perhaps if minute hand movements were translated into large gestures on the big screen... but that's what a conventional mouse does. I think the most revolutionary part would be to make "drag-drop" thing a lot more physical, i.e. add small amounts of inertia to dragged objects. Also, Google for the copy-paste pen device - really nifty stuff.

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    http://zero-to-enterprise.blogspot.com/
  16. Because it is exhausting by brunes69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a reason none of these VR interfaces never go anywhere. The human body is not designed to hold it's arms suspended in mid-air for extende dperiods of time.

    Try it yourself - stick your hands in front of the monitor, a bit below level with your shoulders. Feel free to move them around as if you are "manipulating".

    Now, see how long you can hold them up there before your shoulders give out.

    Now compare that to how long you can use a keyboard and mouse in one session.

    It is not even in the same ballpark.

    1. Re:Because it is exhausting by AJWM · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd mod you up insightful but I've already commented here.

      That was exactly my first thought -- waving your arms around is bloody tiring. Heck, I like to have my mouse tracking set so I can pretty much move the cursor from one side of the screen to the other by just flexing my fingers, the heel of my palm pretty much rests in one spot (and in a different spot when using the keyboard).

      --
      -- Alastair
    2. Re:Because it is exhausting by Xzzy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Given the sedentry lifestyles we live today, I'd think getting tired using a computer is good, both in the sense it burns a few more calories, and discourages extended periods of usage.

    3. Re:Because it is exhausting by Tlosk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is and it isn't. Anytime you try doing some physical activity you are unaccustomed to there will be an adaptation period where you experience fatigue and soreness. Once your muscles have adapted though you hardly notice it at all.

      If you never take the stairs, try walking down 8 or 10 flights of stairs, the next day your calves will be thrashed, but if you do it every day you won't even notice it a bit.

      Or try mixing concrete by hand, uber hard labor if it's not something you're used to, but run of the mill for people that do it regularly.

      Holding your hands in the air isn't exactly hard labor lol, although I suspect we'd also do it standing just like they did in the movies, the kinematics of moving your arms and hands is very different standing than it is sitting.

    4. Re:Because it is exhausting by Short+Circuit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In each of your examples, the muscles involved get a chance at rest.

      Holding your arms out continually puts some muscles under constant tension. No muscle in the human body was designed for that kind of punishment; Even the heart muscles, composed of the only muscle tissue that doesn't get tired, get rest periods every beat.

    5. Re:Because it is exhausting by brunes69 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For one thing, an orchestra conductor's hands are *frequently* at his sides for periods throughout the piece.

      For another, I don't know of many people conducing 8 hour symphonys 5 nights a week.

  17. Are you crazy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I get so lazy sometimes, that instead of leaning all the way up to the keyboard, I copy and paste letters to spell out words with the mouse, and you want me to USE MY ARMS!?!?!!?!!?

    I'll need to down a bottle of water just to get my computer out of sleep mode.

    Gestures are a gateway interface :)

  18. for the curious by same_old_story · · Score: 3, Informative

    John Underkoffler came from MIT's tangible media group

  19. Yeah, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's all wonderfully productive until some bozo offers to shake your hand while you're busy working, and you brush all your work off the screen.

  20. the government hides spending better than that by mnemonic_ · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder what congressional district the defense company is located in?

    Raytheon has facilities in almost every state. They merged with Hughes a while back, and manufacture a wide variety of defense equipment, especially in the aerospace sector.

    And where in the field will this be used?

    The article says, in the field of satellite reconnaissance imagery. It'd be like using a mouse, except you can move more than one screen object at once with the fluidity of every day hand motions. Far more efficient.

    Am I the only one who gets scared when I imagine what a room in the pentagon might look like, with Generals wearing special glasses, and moving projected data off walls?

    Probably. Most men are made of sterner stuff.

  21. Interface by sbillard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Push/Pull
    Slide/Spin/Twist
    Grab/Grip/Grok/Associate
    Wipe/Toss
    ...So many more distinct gestures/commands are possilbe.
    I read a lot of Phillip K Dick and the interface portrayed in Minority Report was wonderfull.... not the goop-pool..... I'm refering to the the big screen Tom Cruise manipulated.... the goop-pool interface is the opposite extreme.
    Nice story...original author highly recommended.

    it makes me wonder. Which side are you on?

    Hoppy Harrington says "Hi"gher

    1. Re:Interface by UTPinky · · Score: 2, Funny

      You forgot the "other" gesture for when it crashes...

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      I'm only paranoid because everyone is against me...
  22. "virus'" by mnemonic_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've seen a lot of stupid ways of writing the plural form of "virus." A single apostrophe is probably the stupidest.

  23. Re:This looks like a great recipe for an accident by AJWM · · Score: 5, Funny

    the Apple solution: it will only come with one glove.

    Correction: a mitten.

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    -- Alastair
  24. Accuracy? by LordoftheFrings · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder how accurate this would be. Would it even be really useful for first person shooters that require pinpoint precision? I would say no, but then again, I'm somehow fairly accurate with a mouse, so my hands can be accurate with training. I'm not sure about the whole arm bit though.

  25. Also.. by pherthyl · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have a look at HandVu for something that works right now.

    I was planning on writing something similar to this (actually, very similar, same libraries and everything) but now may just build on top of the HandVu libraries instead.

  26. Re:Do they also replicate the part of the interfac by flonker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps it was a security measure. An air gap, if you will. (Not to be confused with the "air gap firewall" marketing BS.)

  27. To Quote Mr. Cranky... by Knnniggit · · Score: 2, Funny

    After reading this, Mr. Cranky's review of Minority Report stands out in my mind. "After the balls roll out of the ramp, Anderton stands in front of a huge screen with his hands up in the air and attempts to masturbate imaginary pigeons. (Okay, I get what he's doing, but the idea that operating a computer 52 years from now will be something akin to air Kung Fu seems excessively stupid.)" ^^^^^ What he said.

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    Brain kills internet cells.
  28. Cool now my carpal tunnel will move to my shoulder by bxbaser · · Score: 3, Funny

    eom

  29. Re:Seems like an awfully inefficient UI by Planesdragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems to me it's a very inefficient interface...requiring large arm-waving motions to do menial tasks like moving windows

    it is. But it wasn't designed to be a computer UI. It was designed to work with the thought-process of the user.

    Have you ever stood up and walked to think? Ever wanted to guesture and put something on the wall?

    It's a useful technology. Not one that you'd use next to your keyboard, but one that you'd use to direct a media stream or command a hundred distinct fire-teams.

  30. Re:Big deal... by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Funny
    when they get the computer interface from swordfish...

    The one that gives you a blowjob while you code?

  31. Re:This looks like a great recipe for an accident by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

    Specially if you sneeze in the most inappropriate moment.

  32. Re:Seems like an awfully inefficient UI by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It has the advantage of scale. Moving macroscopic windows about on a desktop-sized screen, with many of them located in your peripheral vision, helps with your thought process. The movements, while not ideal for typing, are also normal, daily, real-world-sized motions, which don't requires as much of a mental shift. Since you're not trying to adapt to the unnatural one hand, 1-2 finger (depending on how many buttons your mouse has) interface, and can move freely, you're spending less energy adapting yourself to the environment, and have more mental power available for thinking.

    We were just playing around years ago with a stereo wall, and I found that data was easier to visualize, and the gyromouse interface was more natural than a puck on a desk. On the other hand, this was still only one handed, and there are times that you wanted to be able to use the other hand for more operations.

    The average office-drone isn't going to have this technology, but architects, doctors, scientists, etc, will take to it once the space/price issues for the screens get solved.

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    the more accurate the calculations became, the more the concepts tended to vanish into thin air. R. S. Mulliken
  33. Add voice too. by headkase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As other posters have pointed out, it would be difficult to hold your arms up for extended periods. However, if paired with good voice recognition imagine mostly talking with occasionally moving/adjusting objects.

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    Shh.
  34. You asked for it by T-Ranger · · Score: 3, Funny

    A Beowolf cluster of spider monkeys using these 21st century PowerGloves could do a better job then Bush.

  35. Re:This looks like a great recipe for an accident by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, at least with the Apple version you can surf porn without, well, you know, ruining your input device.

  36. This is what I do at my work, but ours is better by bobbabemagnet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, we are implementing something we call the HI-Space table, which uses a camera to track hand motions as well. Ours doesn't need special gloves, though. You can walk up to the table and move your hands around and it watches any number of hands, doing any number of poses. It detects objects that are placed in the space and recognizes them if they are in the database. We have voice recognition, too, so it can respond to spoken commands.

    One of the best things about our system is that it is completely untethered and intuitive. There is no training period, and no device to put on. You are interacting with the digital world by manipulating in the physical world.

    I write applications for the table. There are a lot of issues that come up that you wouldn't normally think about. For example, with many hands in the space, it's easy to have people doing conflicting things. Actions are not so clearly defined, either. For example, when selecting a button, do you point to it? For how long? What if your finger moves a little?

    We are currently conducting user studies to see in what ways the HI-Space table is better than the desktop and cave environments, and we're looking for other applications and organizations interested in using this technology.

    http://www.hitl.washington.edu/projects/hispace//
    http://www.pnl.gov/infoviz/hces//

    contact me at bob [dot] baddeley [at] pnl [dot] gov