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Quantum Wires

Silverlancer writes "Room temperature superconductors have often been a hallmark of far-future science fiction. But fortunately for us, they're here today, according to MIT's Technology Review. Richard Smalley, winner of the 1996 Nobel Prize for the discovery of the buckyball, is currently heading a project to produce a prototype carbon nanotube superconductor. They've already produced some wires up to 100 meters long--the only thing left to do is figure out how to produce only a certain type of nanotube, the "5,5 armchair nanotube," that conducts so well that it can be considered a superconductor."

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  1. Optical Computing versus Quantum Wires by DanielMarkham · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seems like from one direction optical computing is advancing, from another we're working towards room-temperature superconductors.

    So what's the future look like? Quantum processors with superconducting and optical connections? I wonder how these various technologies will actually be deployed?

    1. Re:Optical Computing versus Quantum Wires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      There's a neat article in newscientist about certain #'s of atoms being able to a configuration of discrete atomic clusters that assume electron distributions that cause them to resemble/replace other atoms. Naturally the clusters resemble noble gases but they can be ionized into clusters that will allow Al to mimic Na within a compound...
      Well, something like that...

      superatoms

  2. EMR from high tension power lines? by bawol · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While the effects are still debated, would this have any effect on radiation given off from high tension power lines? Would the electricity be carried at a higher or lower frequency?

    1. Re:EMR from high tension power lines? by pla · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would the electricity be carried at a higher or lower frequency?

      The frequency most likely would not change, to maintain compatibility with the existing infrastructure.

      However, we mostly use AC to get around the fact that DC suffers massive losses when sent any useful distance. In a true superconductor (not sure if these nanotubes count, the wording used strikes me as very awkward - Something either has a resistance of zero or it doesn't), we could use DC just as efficiently as AC.

    2. Re:EMR from high tension power lines? by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If this is a real superconductor, higher voltages might need to be used to keep the current below the saturation threshold where the superconductor stops superconducting.

      On the other hand, big high voltage lines only carry a few dozen amps max anyway, so it might be an acceptable drop-in replacement.

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    3. Re:EMR from high tension power lines? by Interrupt18 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's interesting. DC distribution = no EMFs generated. Whether or not EMFs have any real health effects, removing them would be good PR for the power companies.

    4. Re:EMR from high tension power lines? by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > However, we mostly use AC to get around the fact
      > that DC suffers massive losses when sent any
      > useful distance.

      Not true. We mostly use AC because it is easy to step the voltage up and down with transformers. This way we can reduce the cost of transmission by stepping the voltage up and the current down (allowing the use of smaller, cheaper conductors) and then step the voltage back down for use. At the same voltage AC suffers _more_ loss in long-distance transmission due to radiation and skin-effect. For short to moderate distances this is more than offset by the low cost of voltage conversion. For very long distance transmission DC is sometimes used because the reduced losses make the extra expense of conversion worthwhile.

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    5. Re:EMR from high tension power lines? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      AC vs DC - look at it this way: To convert or control AC voltage, we can use low cost static devices, eg. transformers and capacitors, which are just big lumps of metal. To control DC voltage, we need either revolving devices, or very complex electronics. Clearly, revolving devices and electronics are high maintenance and expensive. The result is that to transport really large amounts of electricity, it is cheaper to use AC.

      The EMR effect of outdoor wires is very low and studies on people living/playing under these wires, consistently failed to take into effect the sunshine on their heads, which is far more dangerous than the EM fields.

  3. really a superconductor? by Al+Clocker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The article says that there is "almost no loss of energy." But real superconductors truly have zero resistance. Once you start a current in a superconducting loop it runs for years without decreasing. AFAIK a decrease has never been observed. The article is unclear about whether this actually is a super-conductor or not. Does anyone know for a fact?

    1. Re:really a superconductor? by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well energy can come out of a superconducting wire. If it couldn't, then there'd be no way to introduce energy into the superconducting wire either. These things work both ways. Think things like mutual inductance and magnetic effects. These things can cause undesirable losses too.

      The key for superconducting is only that *resistive* losses are zero, as you said, for a given current n that is below the superconductor current saturation point.

      The article does seem to strongly imply this is a superconductor, since it talks about quantum effects that sound like someone trying to oversimplify superconduction. They could have been more clear though.

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    2. Re:really a superconductor? by Snard · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Carbon nanotubes are not superconductors ... they have a resistance that is independent of length ... the resistance of an individual nanotube is about 20 kOhms

      So I guess you could say that the nanotube itself really is a superconductor, but each end has a resistance of around 10kOhm - and it's impossible to build a tube without ends.
      Why would it be impossible? Couldn't you join the ends of a tube to make it a torus?

      And if you did this, would the tube still have a 20Kohm resistance? If it didn't, you should be able to induce a current in the loop, and it continue to flow, just like superconducting magnets.
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  4. Investment in superconducting vs. alt. fuel... by Sialagogue · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So much work (and funding) is being poured into finding alternative energy sources, I wonder how much the discovery of a scaleable, inexpensive, widely deployable (as in converting the world's energy grid) superconducting power distribution system has been quantified.

    I do understand that this isn't that, and that there are a million barriers to be overcome, and that fossil fuels need a replacement Real Soon Now, but I do wonder if anyone knows of any studies out there trying sort out how much energy is currently lost in the distribution of consumer power, and how much less we'd need to generate if a practical superconducting solution is found.

    Factoring in a reasonable probability of success in both sides, it would be interesting to see whether the potential cost/benefit of investments in finding superconducting solutions all the way to the last mile might be as or more efficient in the long run than funding research in new power sources.

    I know, it shouldn't be either or in any case, but it's just a thought...

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  5. LEDs by Interrupt18 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There was a discussion yesterday about using LEDs to replace incandescent lights. One thing that came up was the power losses associated with stepping down the mains voltage to voltages required by LEDs.

    Even if the carbon nanotubes are not technically superconductors, if their resistance is much lower than copper they might be ideal for low voltage home wiring. You could step the mains down to 5 or 12 volts in a central location in your house, and power the all your low voltage electronics without having to worry about I^2R losses.

  6. Re:Imagine by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A room temp super-conductor would be a boon for great speeds with less heat.

    Actually, there are already plans for it. Search for "nanotube transistor" on google, and admire.

  7. Re:Nah, Monster Cable will capitalize on it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    $2000 barrier? you obviously haven't looked at hifi cables. Or did you mean $2000 each, per foot. Even so...

  8. Re:Chemists, not physicists by clarkcox3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Chemistry is just an abstraction of physics (just as biology is an abstraction of chemistry) :)

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  9. Maybe someone knows the answer to this by Gnaythan1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you coil a superconductor into a torus, it sounds like it will loop around the torus forever with no losses. How much electricity can you feed into it? Is the size of the coil a significant factor? If there is an easy way to feed electricity into it, and later pull electricity from it, have we created a perfect battery?

  10. DC Mains Power by JonoPlop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If powerlines could have negligible resistance, then it will be viable to transmit power as DC. (At the moment, AC is used to minimize power loss during transmission.) This could mean that devices could plug into a (say) 12V DC outlet right in the wall, eliminating all the heat loss from each individual transformer, and getting rid of the bulk. Imagine, your computer wouldn't need some massive AC-DC power supply! (Obviously it'd still need a small, simple one to transform down to 5V, etc.)