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Intel to Release WiMax Chip

david writes "According to CNET News, Intel plans to release their first WiMax chip on Monday. 'The world's largest chipmaker sees in WiMax a potential profit source that it hopes will become as popular as its shorter-range cousin, Wi-Fi. Intel also believes it will stimulate computer sales in emerging markets where high-speed Internet access is unavailable or prohibitively expensive.'"

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  1. Services? by wdd1040 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are there any major suppliers of WiMax services yet?

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    1. Re:Services? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Press Release

      Wiki Article on WiMax

      Doing the editors jobs so they don't have to!
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    2. Re:Services? by KenFury · · Score: 2, Informative

      Speakeasy is planning on publicly beta testing WiMax in Seattle in the next quarter.

    3. Re:Services? by mattspammail · · Score: 2, Interesting

      MAN is not what you're looking for. A MAN is a Metropolitan Area Network, but its purpose is to connect a few separate LAN's that serve a similar set of clients. Think of the government buildings in your area. They may have 5 or 10 buildings, each with separate LAN's. Then think of connecting those 5 or 10 LAN's for the purpose of high speed sharing between them. The example I always think of (don't ask me why) is the diamond wholesalers in Houston. There are a whole bunch of diamond wholesalers in a couple of areas. They all participate in a centralized data initiative (or at least that's what I was told). They have a MAN connecting their LAN's.

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  2. Great Naming system by Frogbert · · Score: 3, Funny

    What I like most is that they keep the names simple enough so just by looking at them you know which one is faster, and what range they have. Much like Highspeed USB and Full Speed USB.

    1. Re:Great Naming system by wdd1040 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Next up...

      WiMax MAXXTREEEEME edition!!!1!

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    2. Re:Great Naming system by IamNotWitchboy · · Score: 5, Informative
      The funny thing is that WiMax is a semi-acronym. From the wikipedia article:
      It also is known as WiMAX, an acronym that stands for Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access.
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  3. You know who is interested in this? by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wal-mart. 7-11. Citgo. McDonalds. Anyone with a mass franchise presence suddenly has the potential to power an ISP with a 20 mile range by slapping a $500 antenna on top of their stores. Pay as you go validation at the checkout counter and you're off and running. If Exxon put this at every one of their stations they could supply internet to travelers to pretty much everyone within range of an interstate. That's a lot of people.

    1. Re:You know who is interested in this? by kakofb · · Score: 2, Informative

      McDonalds Australia has a deal with Telstra to provide Wi-Fi access at all their stores across the country. http://www.telstra.com.au/wirelesshotspots/locatio ns.htm
      I think a better concept would be one which enabled there to be an unbroken link between "restaurants" along highways and, perhaps, wireless coverage in cities. This would allow people traveling and living within the covered areas to access the internet wirelessly Telstra/McDonalds as the ISP, as you said.

    2. Re:You know who is interested in this? by F13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You mean like Cringely outlined back in November.

    3. Re:You know who is interested in this? by xgamer04 · · Score: 3, Informative

      If Exxon put this at every one of their stations they could supply internet to travelers to pretty much everyone within range of an interstate. That's a lot of people.

      You've obviously never driven through North Dakota :)

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    4. Re:You know who is interested in this? by jonbrewer · · Score: 4, Informative

      Anyone with a mass franchise presence suddenly has the potential to power an ISP with a 20 mile range by slapping a $500 antenna on top of their stores.

      From the equipment I have seen supporting WiMAX, it is not likely to be an easy or inexpensive proposition like WiFi. Ever wonder why urban areas are littered with cell sites? Coverage is difficult. NLOS is only NLOS to a degree. People will expect coverage inside concrete buildings. (if they don't get it, they'll stick to using GPRS or WCDMA, which do work in concrete buildings)

      Then there's interference. Sure the gear is getting smarter, but I wouldn't try to deploy WiMAX in unlicensed space anywhere in the world - it would be a recipe for disaster. In 2.4GHz range outdoor, FHSS systems delivering 2mbps are the last man standing in crowded markets. In 5.8GHz, Trango and Motorola Canopy systems destroy less robust 802.11a systems.

      And then there's licensed spectrum. If you do get a hold of some, it's not going to be in big 20mhz channels like in unlicensed territory. I don't care how spectrally efficient these WiMAX systems are, no one is going to get 10mbps per MHz in the real world before 2010.

      Why 10mbps/MHz? It's what you'll need to compete with Cable, DSL, and ubiquitous WiFi hotspots (deployed every 50 meters on the end of Cable/DSL lines). Who gives a toss if Intel starts including WiMAX in their chipsets? I've had Thinkpads with infrared for about ten years now. I have a five year old Nokia with Bluetooth. What do I use every day? WiFi.

    5. Re:You know who is interested in this? by trafficEng · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I agree with you in most of your points, though:

      The gear will be expensive - yes, comparing to WIFI, not really compared to UMTS/WCDMA. And if you think that some of the interested will be cellphone operators which already have the antenna poles and the backbone network, it might be an interesting investment, allowing much higher bandwiths for a fraction of the cost.

      802.16a includes NLOS and, as you known, it also allows the use of MIMO systems, advanced coding techniques and smart antennas which can boost NLOS coverage - manufacturers expect NLOS coverage up to 5km from the BS.
      And some of these techniques are easier/cheaper to implement in WiMAX which is OFDMA than in WCDMA
      OFDM is also much less subject to intersimbolic interference than CDMA and probably this is why there are several trials to provide wideband to trains using WiMAX as an uplink to the in-train WIFI network.

      WiMAX spectral effiency will be around 3-4 Mbps/Hz, but the way the bands are used is very flexible, especially with subchanneling, you can have subchannels starting from 1.75 MHz bands. Band reuse migh be very efficient with smart antennas and beam-forming/steering techniques.

      You won't really have to compete with WIFI: WiMAX can function as an acess network to WIFI hotspots (instead of relaying in wired uplinks).
      WIFI can't really be used for broadband access such as DSL, as it has no QoS services you can't make a SLA with it.
      With cable it won't be able to compete, but with DSL I think it has a chance, especially in countries where loop unbundling is problematic.

      Intel selling WiMAX chipsets migh be a hell of a boost to WiMAX, just remember all the hype with Centrinos and WIFI. If you tell someone "use WiMAX, it's really cool" they'll ask you how to? it'll sure make a difference if you send them to buy a new card or if you just tell them that the laptop they've just bought is the only thing they need.

  4. So to stimulate sales by blowdart · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ... in emerging markets where high-speed Internet access is unavailable or prohibitively expensive Intel are adding another proprietary chip set, with all the driver and support issues that entails to connect to a rare wireless system that is also expensive to install and maintain.

    Can I have what they're having please?

    1. Re:So to stimulate sales by tkarr · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Part of the lack of access is due to the fact that people live in areas that have no existing wiring, which is expensive to install. They don't want to install one wire to one house in a whole neighborhood or small town, unless they can guarantee more clients. If there was a fast, reliable, wireless internet connection, those places could get access.

      All popular technology tends to start out proprietary and expensive. Remember when blank DVDs were too expensive for the common person to buy? Now they're a dollar or so apiece! Maybe this technology will catch on too... I guess time and society will tell.

  5. Re:Does WiMax do adhoc networking? by JustAnotherBob · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As what the atricle says:
    "Unlike Wi-Fi, whose ad hoc networks can be set up by anyone to connect a single house or office, WiMax is engineered to cover an entire city via base stations dispersed around a metropolitan area. So-called client devices, akin to a cable or DSL modem and built with a WiMax chip like Intel's, then pick the signal up. When connected to a PC, the signal becomes a high-speed wireless connection. "

  6. More Info on Intel's WiMax Ambitions by caxis · · Score: 5, Informative

    From
    http://www.intel.com/netcomms/columns/jimj10 5.htm

    "Q: What is WiMAX?
    A: WiMAX technology involves microwaves for the transfer of data wirelessly. It can be used for high-speed, wireless networking at distances up to a few miles. The term WiMAX comes from 'Wireless (Wi) Microwave Access (MA).' WiMAX is very similar to Wi-Fi in that it uses the same core technology of wireless modulation developed way back in the '60's and '70's. It's called OFDM (Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing), for those that care about the technical terms.

    The real benefit of WiMAX technology is that you can run signals very, very close to each other on wireless channels. You can have super narrow lanes, so you can put a lot of traffic over them and they don't disrupt each other.

    Q: How is WiMAX different from Wi-Fi?
    A: Although the fundamental technology is the same, over time we can add levels of sophistication to WiMAX. Wi-Fi channels occupy a fixed width of the spectrum. But with WiMAX, we're going to enable the traffic lanes - or channels - to get smaller and narrower. This helps service providers seeking to offer wireless last-mile DSL or cable-type service because they can provide a narrower channel that uses less bandwidth and serve more users. You can take what used to be a fixed Wi-Fi lane and make a bunch more lanes and serve more people.

    The other big difference between Wi-Fi and WiMAX - starting right away - is that we're going to use licensed spectrum to deliver WiMAX. To date, all Wi-Fi technology has been delivered in unlicensed spectrum. WiMAX will use one of the unlicensed frequencies, but we're also supporting two other frequencies that are licensed. What that means is that you can turn up the output power and broadcast longer distances. So where Wi-Fi is something that is measured in hundreds of feet, usually WiMAX will have a very good value proposition and bandwidth up to several miles.

    Also WiMAX is designed to be a carrier-grade technology, which requires a higher level of reliability and quality of service than are now available in typical Wi-Fi implementations.

    Those fundamental differences make WiMAX more of a metropolitan area access technology versus hotspot."

    (all taken from the article linked above)

    1. Re:More Info on Intel's WiMax Ambitions by caxis · · Score: 2, Informative
  7. Re:Dreaming, but by QQoicu2 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hopefully never. I hate dealing with 18-wheelers on the interstate as it is... The last thing we need is for them to be distracted by porn.

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  8. WiMin wiped out by tkarr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No more trying to angle my laptop in weird directions just to get a single bar of signal in class! I wonder if they're going to charge as much for this new service as Cable internet. Wireless makes a lot of sense; we wouldn't have to string cables throughout houses or apartments. Wireless today can be tricky since passing through zones can cause flakey connections. If the zone is as large as a city... well that problem isn't so bad. In fact, it would be awesome if there could be nationwide coverage, and we could use wireless on our laptops in our cars!

  9. Re:Dreaming, but by necrofluxneo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm assuming of course that the widespread availability of wireless porn will be necessarily accompanied by the introduction of self-driving vehicles. Or, perhaps more realistically, one handed steering mechanisms.

  10. Metro Handshakes by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After reading the wiki link (Which is like a big ol ad for Wi-Fi) I have some concerns.

    It's supposed to be backwards compatible yes? But wi-fi G and B have far lower ranges (let alone A) so I'll likely be blanketted with several wimax networks which my card won't be powerful enough to respond to. How long will my auto handshake take to resolve that?

    Also since it doesn't support Ad-Hoc are we sure this won't be run by ISPs and not leave us a chance to run personal networks?

    Third I know there has been a breakthrough in power consumption and moving to higher frequencies makes data transfer less power hungry but these kind of distances seem to make wi-fi in hand helds and laptops impractical, it would be nice not to wire things but wiring is probably a better solution then hamstringing 802.11b when that has the possibility of universal deployment and replacing the cell networks.

    Who's going to want to put a wimax antenna in a subway? Or on a train?

    Let's hope this isn't going to stamp out the old standards...

    Don't get me wrong I'm looking forward to it, just some concerns.

    1. Re:Metro Handshakes by Jobe_br · · Score: 2, Informative

      Note that at the moment, there is no such thing as mobile WiMAX, as would be used in a hand held device or laptop. A working group is 'working' on the specs for this, due out later this year ('05). Until that comes along, we won't really have a clue what the benefits/limitations of WiMAX on a portable device will be.

      In its current incarnation, WiMAX is meant to replace DSL/cable for "the last mile" - so, to the extent that your house is portable, so is this.

  11. Re:Does WiMax do adhoc networking? by spectrokid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Engineered, yes. But question is, can it be hacked so as for private people in a town to set up a mesh- style self regulating network? Now that would be cool. Or imagine a school with a good netconnection. They could allow their kids to keep on surfing from home.

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  12. Re:Compatibility by aXis100 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a different market. WiMax is last mile, WiFi is hotspot.

    Your house or local cafe might be conneted via WiMax to the ISP, and then there's be a WiFi AP transmitting that around the local area.

  13. WiMax look interesting by Rhinobird · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Combine WiMax and VoIP in a small handheld device and you've basically re-invented cell phone. But you'd be able to add features way easier. Put in a server and update the "phone" software and now youv'e got email (or text messaging or paging or a teleconference, or streaming audio/movies, or the web) on you cell.

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  14. Not the same as Wi-Fi by samael · · Score: 4, Informative

    The major difference between WiFi and WiMax is that the latter will be on a _licensed_ spectrum. This is the only way that you can have a range of 10 miles and not have constant interference with the 500 other people who also have WiMax towers.

    So yes, it will be used to give wireless internet access over a large area - but it'll go to large companies who buy access to that spectrum. Which isn't so bad, so long as those licenses include clauses to keep costs low and access open.

  15. Rural areas by wyckedone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rural areas will benefit the most from this. People that normally can't get cable or DSL high speed will now be able to get on high speed Internet at a, hopefully, lower cost than unreliable (and expensive) satellite.

  16. Solar Interference? by Bad+D.N.A. · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We track solar events in the GHz frequency range all of the time

    http://sunbase.nict.go.jp/solar/denpa/index.html

    or

    http://www.ips.gov.au/Main.php?CatID=5

    Lots more can be found at

    http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/stp/SOLAR/IAUWGdoc.html #R ADIO

    Wont these events cause interference? Or is the intensity from the solar events just too low?

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  17. Great WiMax overview on DailyWireless.org by Darth+Cider · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A must-read overview of WiMax in its present state appears on DailyWireless.org, with a link to Intel's white paper, the state of competition, data on cost and performance, spectrum requirements, the whole ball of Wax.