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Apple and MS Battle For Desktop Search Supremacy

markmcb writes "As Microsoft and Apple go back and forth about who came up with what idea first, it's been hard to tell who the real innovaters are. Michael Gartenberg and Jim Allchin of Microsoft give some fair opinions on the current desktop search battle. While they do give credit to Apple's iTunes for search inspiration and to Apple being first out of the box in the OS race, they both imply that Microsoft will provide more robust features with the release of Longhorn."

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  1. No Contest! by BandwidthHog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windows XP keeps your desktop from becoming overly clutterled with icons you haven't used recently, which makes searching your desktop *much* easier. Clearly, they are the TRUE innova[tt]ors here.

    And if that's not enough, the second core should drastically improve that little doggie's performance.

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    1. Re:No Contest! by John+Seminal · · Score: 1, Funny
      , it's been hard to tell who the real innovaters are

      Didn't Bill Gates steal DOS? Didn't Bill Gates break agreements with companies as soon as he got what he wanted? It seems to me that Microsoft is not as much an innovater as a company that aquires other peoples works.

      It is like an episode of Bonanza that was on TV today. Joe Cartwright buys a wild black horse for $300, for a friend who really wanted it but could not be at the auction. While in town, Mr. Smith offers $500 to buy the horse and Joe Cartwright says "sorry, he's not for sale". Mr. Smith leaves very upset. The bartender comes up and tells Joe "Don't you know who that is! Mr. Smith owns this town". The next scene is of workers for Mr. Smith beating the stuffing out of Joe and taking the horse. The police shows up at Mr. Smiths house, and he says "I don't know anything about those people who stole the horse". It turns out the Sheriff of that little town is also on Mr. Smiths payroll. Luckily, Ben and Hoss show up in time to shoot all the bad guys and take back the horse.

      Microsoft has all the lawyers. Microsoft has many lobbyists and has funded politicians to office. Who can stop Microsoft? If Microsoft does not make it, who can stop Microsoft from stealing it, sending a stream of lawyers to fight it, or calling in political favors?

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    2. Re:No Contest! by RatPh!nk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well it seems obvious. Ben and Hoss need to head on up to Redmond and get us our horse back, if you know what I mean.

      And by horse, I mean a usable OS
      And by get back I mean, shoot some people
      :)
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    3. Re:No Contest! by Baricom · · Score: 3, Funny

      It does the same thing I used to do as a kid - hide the mess in a corner where nobody would see it.

  2. Hmm... by daveschroeder · · Score: 3, Funny

    they both imply that Microsoft will provide more robust features with the release of Longhorn

    So, OS technology will have improved in 18-24 months?

    Amazing!

  3. ahem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    'man find'

  4. Microsoft has delivered in the past. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windows 95 brought us far more features than Macintosh 84.

  5. Re:With longhorn? by Enrique1218 · · Score: 2, Funny

    They didn't give an exact date. But, they did mention something about hell and snowman.

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  6. Re:Microsoft always steals features by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 5, Funny
    BUT, they implement them better than anyone else.

    With the exception of GUI design, networking, popup menus, text rendering, web standards, file systems, security, user friendliness, software licensing agreements, programming languages, feature creep/application bloat and general business practices.

    Other than those things they're great! :)

  7. Re:Uhh, GOOGLE? by jafac · · Score: 4, Funny

    No shit, Sherlock. :)

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  8. Let's peek in on GENIUS at work. by hey! · · Score: 3, Funny

    Engineer 1 (GENIUS): Wow, these 100GB hard disks sure hold a lot of data.

    Engineer 2: Yeah, I know, half the time I can't find a file I made a few days ago.

    Engineer 1 (GENIUS): Well, these are computers after, all, wouldn't it be nice if there were some way to actually search for your data?

    Engineer 2: Well, there's that cute puppy thingy.

    Engineer 1 (GENIUS): No I mean a way that didn't suck.

    Engineer 2: *** dumbstruck ***

    Manager: Quick, call the patent attorneys!

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  9. They're not empty promises by RLW · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft has been the *best* and *truest* inovator of the MS Windows desktop (and of MS Windows OSes for that matter) the world has ever seen. Nobody puts more features in to MS windows applications than anybody else. True it does borrow some ideas from *completely* unrelated fields (such as OSX for instance). But putting those features into MS Windows is the real litmus test of MS Windows OS inovation.

    1. Re:They're not empty promises by BandwidthHog · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nobody puts more features in to MS windows applications than anybody else.

      You might be right, but those guys at Gator/Claria sure gave 'em a run for their money.

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  10. nostalgia moment by fred+fleenblat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Anyone remember xargs?

    find . | xargs grep foo /dev/null

    ah, the good old days.

  11. This just in... by SoupIsGood+Food · · Score: 5, Funny

    This just in! Microsoft downplays competitor's achievement with a promise of better functionality in a vaporware product! Film at 11!

    SoupIsGood Food

  12. Re:They both suck by jafac · · Score: 4, Funny

    That scares me.

    If Smart Folders detect porn, and put all my porn into one folder, then I'll literally have a hundred thousand files in one folder. I doubt Finder, Explorer, or Nautilus can handle browsing such a beast.

    Unless; Smart Folders can automatically put my porn into; Readheads, Asian, Lesbian, Threesomes, Celebrities, etc. . . .

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  13. Oh great... by blueZ3 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Desktop search will be wonderful in Longhorn. Like I can wait until 2008 to find those desktop icons MS keeps hiding :o)

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  14. Re:They both suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
    "Unless; Smart Folders can automatically put my porn into; Readheads, Asian, Lesbian, Threesomes, Celebrities, etc. . . ."

    Naturally. In fact, with Smart Folders you can get very, very specific. All Redhead lesbians in 3-way action involving one person with an artificial limb. There, that ought to cut it down to only a few thousand pics right there.

  15. Re:Dunno... by andreMA · · Score: 2, Funny
    maybe Apple will release some sort of Spotlight -> Automator transition that allows people to use spotlight queries to actually reorganize their data permanently
    +5 Intriguing
    -5 Scary

    *ponders*

  16. In Gaming News by r00td43m0n · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Gaming News.
    Duke Nukem Forever will be better than Half Life 2.

  17. Promises, promises. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1, Funny
    they both imply that Microsoft will provide more robust features with the release of Longhorn.

    You mean that MS might provide more robust features. They are not the first and not the last company to over promise when it comes to software. DNF anybody? Longhorn was supposed to have the new WinFS. No, it doesn't. Wait, now it does. It's changed so much I can't remember.

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  18. Re:With longhorn? by terraformer · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...something about hell and snowman.

    That's "snowball's chance in hell" (Results 1 - 10 of about 27,300), not "snowman's chance in hell" Results 1 - 10 of about 615. Oddly enough, I did not use longhorn's fancy search engine to find that out...

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  19. Duke Nukem Forever?? by moonpxi · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is it me, or does it seems that Longhorn will be released with a free copy of Duke Nukem Forever??

    By that, you can already expect the release date.

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  20. Re:impromptu poll by BandwidthHog · · Score: 2, Funny

    AAARRRGGGHHH!!!1!eleven!!!1!!

    You *completely* missed your cue!

    Okay, everybody, from the top of page four!

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  21. Re:Some mentioned Beagle, I'll mention Tenor by double-oh+three · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you confuse Contextual Linkage engine with "Trappist Westvleteren 12 (Yellow Cap)", which is a type of beer, you're either way too drunk or very extremely not drunk, so much so you've gone through the other side and have emerged into drunkeness.

    I think you were trying to point here.

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  22. Re:Uhh, BeOS LiveQueries? by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Funny
    the only real drawbacks are that it's currently rather unstable and written in .NET/Mono
    Ah, so that's why Microsoft keeps delaying -- they're waiting for the code to be written for them!
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  23. Re:Dunno... by nathanh · · Score: 4, Funny
    - Give me the 25 most frequently played songs by either Spears, Beyonce, or Aguilera, added in the past 6 months, that are longer than 3 mins but shorter than 5.

    ... aaaannnd DELETE.

    You're right, this is a useful feature!

  24. Re:empty vaporware promises... by netringer · · Score: 4, Funny
    Vaporware will always be better than a shipping product. Just go back through history looking at every vaporware announcement just in the 20th century alone. "My vaporware product will do everything Joe's shipping software does, plus X and Y and Z! So don't buy the currently shipping product. Wait for my vaporware."
    It's gets even better than that.

    I remember an actual quote from a Microsoft executive (Ballmer?) many years ago along the lines of, "They just copied what we're going to have to the next version of..." something.

    That's a statement you have to go to Bizarro World to parse.
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  25. Re:Why Mr. Allchin, what a big RDF you have! by GaryPatterson · · Score: 2, Funny

    "cure cancer" ?

    So... Longhorn will finally kill off Linux?

  26. That joke... by NanoProf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Three women are discussing how their husbands make love. The first says, "My husband is a footbal player. He is really powerful and energetic in bed, and this is a real turn on for me." The second says, "My husband is a musician, and when we make love it's as if he were playing me. He al- ways knows exactly what I want and gives it to me without my asking." The third says, "Well, my husband is a sales representative for IBM. When we make love all he does is sit on the edge of the bed and tell me how good it's going to be when I finally get it."

    (http://www.holysmoke.org/wb/wb0213.htm)

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  27. Re:hey, dumbass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Since you apparently live in a magical fantasy land, let me take a moment to clue you into the rest of the world.

    By and large the following is how everyone, who's not got some kind of wacky-ass stake in MSFT (stock, employment, subcontractor, etc) looks at internally-developed Microsoft products:

    Microsoft SP1 = Anyone else's Final
    Microsoft Final = Anyone else's Beta
    Microsoft Beta = Anyone else's Alpha
    Microsoft Alpha = Segmentation fault

    But I do agree that the nonstop series of BSODs from Microsoft Alphas makes my work much easier. Because I turn the box off and use a functional system to get work done.