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Apple to Settle with Tiger Leaker Vivek Sambhara

AC writes "According to DrunkenBlog which has the court papers, Apple will settle their case against Sunny (Vivek Sambhara) who was accused of taking a developer release of Tiger and putting it on a torrent site. Sunny was the student who gave an interview, and had Steve Wozniak donate to his defense. It is noted in the article that there is still a named defendant going to court and "a score of jon does"."

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  1. Sensationalized by HRbnjR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article has this overwhelming tone of "thank god the poor kid was saved" and "this could happen to anyone", but I don't think it could. I certainly don't agree with how Apple handled the situation, but in my opinion this guy should have had more sense. I think taking a pre-release from an early access developer program and creating a torrent for it should set off alarm bells in anyones head. I have a hard time believing he didn't understand the possible repercussions of his actions in this case.

    1. Re:Sensationalized by Baricom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple handled this well. Had they followed through with their threat, the negative publicity from such a stunt would be enormous. (For comparison, consider how most people view the RIAA right now.) Yes, he should have had alarm bells in his head, along with a flashing sign with "IDIOT" in red letters. The settlement is good for everybody - he got a second chance, and Apple didn't destroy their customer goodwill in one fell swoop.

    2. Re:Sensationalized by qw(name) · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I have a hard time believing he didn't understand the possible repercussions of his actions in this case.
      You're right. This couldn't happen to anyone. For him to do what he did, Sunny needed to willfully create and make available the image. He signed (either electronically or physically) an NDA to get the early release so he has no excuse whatsoever.
    3. Re:Sensationalized by topham · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Every time I get en envelope with pre-release software from Apple in it it comes with a small piece of paper, about 3x5 which states the material is confidential.

      This guy is supposed to be a med student; does this mean he's going to say 'sorry, I didn't read the last page on how to perform this surgery'.

      He's an idiot and caused himself self-inflicted trouble. Why should I feel sorry for him? (I am glad to see something was worked out which is acceptable to all parties).

    4. Re:Sensationalized by FidelCatsro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wrong actualy , the NDA is not comparable to a EULA .
      The NDA is a valid contract as it is not forced upon you after purchase , he went into this contract fully aware(or with the resonible chance of being) and it is a very valid contract.
      Aplle are very definantly legaly within their rights , Morally and ethicaly though sueing a student for contract infringment is really bad PR i agree with you there

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  2. Serves him right by Ryan+Koppanhaver · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This leaves no bad taste in my mouth - Apple acted correctly from the start. Sunny broke a legal and binding contract, unlike the people sued by the RIAA who had no contractual agreement.

    The rule about not suing poor people is oft quoted. I have heard it used by more than one poor student I know as a justification for any action they care to take. They figure that there are no consequences to their actions. This lawsuit is a consequence with a capital C. Frankly, if this convinces students that their actions might just have consequences, then it was worth the trouble.

    Look, if you screw up, you have the chance of really, really suffering far out of proportion to the harm you intended. You may not - Sunny did not in this case - but you most certainly can. That is a valuable lesson, and it appears that it was learned.

    Had Sunny driven drunk, he might have faced felony criminal prosecution, jail time, and a lot of problems in future life, even if he did not hurt anyone. One extra drink at a bar, and a misjudgment about your own impairment, and your life takes a sudden, dramatic, explosive downward turn. Sunny had a misjudgment that took about the same amount of time, and harmed about as many people as getting caught in a holiday sobriety test. He suffered worry, but his life was not ruined, he did not get jail time, and he did not have to give up his future. That was quite a win for him, and I suspect he, and a lot of other people, are going to be more careful in the future.

    What separates this from the RIAA lawsuits, in my mind, is one simple crystal clear fact - he agreed to a legal binding contract. He agreed to not distribute the information, and then he broke the contract. This is serious stuff.

    If nothing else, such leaks make Apple less likely to distribute proprietary information in the future. I need that information, and I want companies to trust in their NDAs, as otherwise, they will not tell me what I need to know to plan my future products. So, I do want people to take an NDA seriously, just like I want people to take all contracts they sign seriously. You may choose to break one, but for goodness sake, understand the potential consequences.

    1. Re:Serves him right by wallykeyster · · Score: 4, Insightful
      To be fair, he didn't sit down with Apple Legal, his parents, and an attorney, then sign a clear NDA. As I understand, he signed up for an ADC account and had to click an electronic agreement before proceeding. He admits that sharing it on an invite-only torrent site was wrong, but he claims that he didn't have a full grasp of the ramifications at the time. I have no trouble believing this

      What I do have trouble with is you equating this with drunken driving. Breach of contract is a whole different ball game than a dangerous criminal activity. Yes, what he did was wrong (both legally and ethically) and he admits it. He is a Mac fan and claims to feel terrible about doing something to damage Apple. It looks to me that Apple did the right thing in suing him and in taking it easy on him once the details came out. He learned something from the event and didn't lose his future in the process.

    2. Re:Serves him right by citog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not understanding the full ramifications worries me a bit - he's 23. He's been around long enough to have a basic understanding. That said, it's not worth 'hanging' someone of his age over a civil issue.

    3. Re:Serves him right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If said license is a fucking non-disclosure agreement, I've read through every single one (and that's several, including the Apple Developer Connection agreement).

    4. Re:Serves him right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So let me get this straight.

      1) I sign up to an Apple Developer Connection account.
      2) Click past license agreement, non disclosure, etc.
      3) I download pre-release materials that I know aren't available to the general public.
      4) I then publish said materials on a P2P network

      This guy (remember, he's not a kid, he's an adult) is a fscking idiot, pure and simple.

      I get that he didn't read the contract, who the hell does. But once he took step #4 the click-through agreement doesn't even matter - he didn't even need to sign a non-disclosure contract to get sued. If he even made a copy for a friend he could get sued into the gutter. Copyright law was broken, pure and simple. Just because he thought he thought the internet was anonymous and it wouldn't get back to him is no excuse for taking step #4.

      Personally, I feel sorry for whoever end up with this guy as their doctor. The complete lack of foresight speaks to his judgement, and his decision to take up the sob story after realizing the consequences of his actions speaks to his character.

  3. What's the problem? by wallykeyster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple would be stupid to let the issue go completely and Sunny was clearly in the wrong. Apple got an admission of guilt and any of their property he still had, and he got off with a slap on the wrist. Considering the situation, it looks like it turned out relatively good for everyone. Pushing it further would only bring more negative press to Apple and what's the point of getting a big court judgment against a college student?

  4. Re:A Hypothetical Legal Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It is the nature of BitTorrent, that if you're downloading it, you're also uploading it. That, you're not allowed to do.

    Oh, and legally speaking, you don't own something just because you've already paid for it, when the delivery is still pending. Apple's still entitled to refund your money and not ship the product.

  5. Re:A Hypothetical Legal Question by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If I were to download the torrent, what would be the legal status of the copy? I would be in possession of one copy, and I would have paid for one license. I could probably argue that the copy I had downloaded was a backup copy (permitted under the fair use terms), since it would be a bitwise identical copy of the original.

    Your legal argument fails in the last statement. You are buying the Apple Tiger release version which is covered by any customer/vendor agreement that you sign with Apple. The torrent of Tiger was a pre-release and not the same version and thus not an identical copy. It is not covered by your agreement with Apple.

    Now if you got a torrent of the Tiger release after Tiger gets shipped, you might still have issues. For all purposes you are not creating a backup copy which is covered by fair use. You are obtaining an illegally distributed copy of Tiger that you intend to use as backup. If you were to burn a DVD copy of your Tiger discs, that would be fair use.

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  6. Re:A Hypothetical Legal Question by Have+Blue · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Your situation is equivalent to buying an apple in a grocery store, leaving it on the counter, and stealing a different apple. You'd still be arrested for shoplifting.