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Data Suggests Early Universe was Superfluid

Ted writes "Experiments at the worlds largest nuclear collider, RHIC, at Brookhaven National Laboratory reveal striking new features of the state of the early Universe. With RHICs enormous collision energy, the researchers can create matter that is composed of the fundamental building blocks of nature, quarks and gluons, in a state with temperatures of more than 1000 billion degrees. The Universe is believed to have been in this state in the first microsecond after the Big Bang. Later the quarks and gluons were trapped in the nuclear particles that the visible universe is composed of today. Until recently, researchers have thought that the quarks and gluons formed a gas. The latest results from RHIC, however, indicate that under the extreme conditions just around the phase transition from quarks and gluons to ordinary matter, the quarks and gluons behaved as a liquid - in fact an almost perfect liquid."

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  1. Re:I hate to sound like I'm trolling... by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keep in mind that there have been mathematical formulas hanging around for over 500 years that were utterly useless until technology caught up and we found something practical to do with them. Science isn't about what you can use today...you take what you get when you make discoveries.

  2. Re:I hate to sound like I'm trolling... by Wordsmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seeking knowledge for knowledge's sake is a worthwhile endeavor. Every new piece of information leads to a greater understanding of the big picture.

    Besides, "useless" knowledge often proves key to unintendend, unsought, useful advances.

  3. Re:Question? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Considering that this is one of the largest unanswered questions to cosmologists, and the biggest stumbling block to all generally accepted theories of the birth of the universe, I'd say your idea is as good as any other.

    And as bad as any other :)

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  4. Re:That's one interpretation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its not a new discovery at all. Glass is a fluid and this has been known for years. All matter of any state can be a fluid. By state I mean solid,liquid or gas. So solids/gases/liquids can be a fluid. I think your confusing the word fluid with liquid/gas in your last sentence.

    States of matter and fluid poperties are totaly different things and are often confused. Hope that clarifies it alittle better.

  5. Think logarithmically by Lapsed+Catholic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm serious. What is the scientific benefit that we can gain from understanding what the universe was like for a microsecond? I'm honestly curious: is there a practical application to this sort of study?

    To understand this you first need to abandon your familiar linear timescale, and learn to think about time logarithmically. This is also important for understanding particle decay times as well- strange particles were originally called "strange" because they hung around for 10e-10 seconds instead of the usual 10e-15 to 10e-20 seconds for particles based on up/down quarks. If particle physicists were thinking on a linear timescale, they would just say "gee all these particles are gone in a jiffy!" and we wouldn't have strange quarks today- with all their accompanying technological advantages!

    Remember, the few billion years that the universe has been around is going to seem like a really short time 10e60 years from now. The slow-moving beings of that era are going to post to their discussion boards asking why anyone would care about what the universe was like for its first 10e10 years.

  6. Re:This ain't superfluid, dammit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yeah, but even in He-3, you're still effectively talking about a degenerate Bose system, because the fermions pair up into boson quasiparticles a la Cooper pair in BCS superconductivity. You need Bose-Einstein condensation -- whether exact or effective -- to get superfluidity to work.

  7. Re:That's one interpretation by perspicaciously · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The idea that glass is a liquid is something of an urban myth derived in all likelihood from the method in which glass used to be blown.

    In fact, glass is an amorphous solid. If you heat it up enough, it becomes a supercooled liquid.

    The example generally used to explain how glass is a liquid is that in old houses the glass has "flowed" down over time and is thicker at the bottom of the pane than it is at the top. This isn't necessarily true, but when it is it's generally because of the very old Venetian method of glass blowing, before it became common to float molten glass on mercury to get panes with even thicknesses. If glass actually flowed at rates that were visually perceptible even after centuries, then optical telescopes that rely on massive lenses and mirrors to maintain accuracy to fractions of a second wouldn't last very long at all. This isn't the case.

    In short, mythbusted.

  8. Re:In The Beginning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Different question, really. Science hasn't offered an answer to the question of a First Cause. (i.e. If the universe had a beginning, then what caused it to come into being.)

    A supreme being as a first cause isn't a completely unreasonable theory, and scientific observation hasn't eliminated the possibility or proven the theory. Occams razor has two edges on this one, too. You can say "Is it likely that a magical being created the universe?" But you can also say "If the universe came into existence is it likely that it just magically appeared for no reason, or is it more likely that something caused it?"

    You have a theory? Legitimately curious.

  9. Re:The Bible says so by Moraelin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even then, I doubt that the big bang is what the bible referred to.

    See, the Big Bang was more like, first there was liquid, then there was GAS (a step utterly missing in the bible), then there was liquid again as gravity collapsed clouds of hydrogen, then there was plasma as the star ignited, then it went bang and it was gas again... and only after a few more such cycles you had enough of the heavier elements to have land as we know it.

    Besides, the last time I've read the bible it was more about Earth than about the universe as a whole.

    Don't get me wrong, you can fit the Genesys is a lot of funny ways into the history of Earth. (My own pet theory is that God was a student, seein' as he did it all in the last 7 days.) But fitting the Big Bang in it is just not supported by _anything_ in the bible.

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