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Software Patents Stopped in India

piyushranjan writes "Indian parliament deleted the section from the patents bill regrading the software patents as left parties prevailed over the Government on the issue. This may be a major victory for free software foundation(fsf) which has been lobbying hard against the bill."

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  1. Attention U.S. Citizens! by Thumpnugget · · Score: 5, Funny

    We have begun the process of outsourcing your freedom! The stormtroopers will be by shortly to collect any remaining freedoms, so we can send them to a foreign country where it will be cheaper to maintain them. In the meantime, sit tight, don't go anywhere, and please refrain from speaking with other citizens or posting to the Interweb with those blog thingies. Don't like it? Maybe you should have spoken up before the process began, like they did in India. Have a nice day.

    Thanks,
    The Government

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    Free yourself. Everything else will follow.
    1. Re:Attention U.S. Citizens! by ImaLamer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You actually have a good point though.

      What India has over the United States is that they not only have our technical jobs but they also have no legal restrictions on taking any technology learned during that "cultural" exchange.

      Technology is what keeps a superpower on top. The Masons knew it, that is why they exist(ed). (Technological) Secrets make a nation thrive and the fact that the United States and Europe will restrict software developers with draconian laws makes our chances nill. If we continue to lead the way in innovations they will be copied at will overseas making *only* our citizens the ones to pay the price for intellectual property. Where will that leave us?

      Our patents won't mean a thing when India and China make up most of the computer/internet users and developers. I'm afraid that we will be trying to play fair while others won't - reminds me of the game show "Friend or Foe", everyone must agree or everyone loses. I'm drunk, but look more into China and Russia's copying of CDMA technology to learn more about how we can lose...

  2. Re:Not only the FSF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Clearly a godless communist, regardless of what they say. It's time for a pre-emptive strike to bring True Freedom (American Version) to their country.

  3. Economic impact of this? by xiaomonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If software patents aren't legal in India, would a company over there be able to fearlessly provide web services/applications that infringe on US patents?

    e.g. could a company over there build a search engine using Google's patented page rank algorithm with out having to pay an licensing fee?

    If so, it would seem that India would be an ideal place for most such companies, as they can operate over there with out fear of patent litigation. Also, hopefully something like this would put pressure on the US to reform our current system in order for local companies to be more competitive.

  4. Re:wow, I guess we'll... by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Funny

    One of these days they're going to invent something, and they'll call it a backspace key. It will allow computer users to delete what they've already typed, without having to type ^W or ^H

  5. The situation in India is... by rsidd · · Score: 5, Informative
    the government is sort of centre-left, but supported by far-left (ie, communist) parties who must be kept happy.

    The government was required by the WTO to adopt a new patent regime in the pharmaceutical sector. There was plenty of opposition to this, mainly from the left, though leaving the WTO is simply not an option and everyone realises that.

    So what the government does is have a temporary ordinance, not ratified by the parliament, that's somewhat more draconian that it needs to be. I think the software patents thing was one of those items that the government was always willing to chop. There were also lots of safeguards in the pharma sector itself (regarding making of generic drugs in the national interest), allowed by the WTO, that the government omitted from the ordinance. Even the New York Times had a strong editorial criticising the Indian Government for its unnecessarily restrictive ordinance.

    When the time comes to pass it through parliament, voila, the government "accommodates" the left parties by introducing these safeguards and removing things like software patents. The left, in return, supports the bill. And everyone's happy.

  6. Re:More jobs to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    No. An American company selling in India is not subject to software patents in respect of the products sold in India because India has no software patents. An Indian company selling in America is subject to software patents in respect of the products sold in America because America does have software patents.

    An Indian company can apply for software patents in America which will be valid in America, just like anyone else. Those patents won't be valid in India regardless of where you company is based.

  7. Above is a Troll posting AC by carlmenezes · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mod the parent DOWN.
    It only shows he knows nothing of the Indian President. Here are some facts so people can see for themselves:

    Some of his speeches

    A description of a personal encounter

    His own website describing his aspirations

    A few of his accomplishments

    Finally, for those REALLY interested, here's his auto-biography

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    Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
    1. Re:Above is a Troll posting AC by whitespacedout · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Something I can add to the tales of what an all-round good guy he is:

      The ORBIS flying eye hospital came to Delhi a few weeks ago and he dropped in to see it (here's a picture of him on the plane). He did the required politcal duty as required. But he also asked intelligent questions about the set-up and figured out there was a bottleneck in comms (the aim of the flying eye hospital is to spread knowledge about eye treatments, but they could only arrange for local broadcast of the videos of the surgeries). The President said he'd try and do something about it.

      Shortly afterwards - blam! - we had a satelite uplink so that the surgery teaching sessions were broadcast via satelite to hospitals all over India.

      Just think about it - Kalam could have done nothing and no-one would have begrudged him it. But he actually went beyond the polite chit chat, did some figuring out, and then went out his way to actually ease things in a way which make most political leaders seem like whiny midgets. No wonder he is one of the most-loved people in India, and no wonder people think he honours the office of president, rather than the other way round.

  8. Are Patent's Good? by shirai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's the interesting thing about patents and, if you are a patent expert, I realize you already know this, but I think most people don't see the true irony of patents.

    The irony is: they were designed to protect the small guy from the big guy. That's right. I shall repeat. They were designed to protect the small guy from the big guy.

    They did this to encourage innovation.

    You see, some guy in his garage could invent the television, a big company could come along and copy it, and make billions because he has a bigger operating budget. With patents, the guy could protect his invention, and the big guys couldn't steal his idea. All of a sudden, people want to invent because they can protect their ideas.

    But now the patent system has turned on its head. It essentially protects the big guys from the small guys. Probably if we looked at patents in their stricted sense, a kid in their garage could write a text editor and infringe on hundreds of patents. I realize this doesn't usually result in a lawsuit, but the system is so convoluted that the only way to understand it is to hire expensive lawyers, which small guys tend not to be able to afford. So in many cases, the small guy gives up when faced with serious opposition (think RIAA).

    Okay, I will freely admit that this post is a little inflamatory and that usually lawsuits are not launched even when a patent is owned for things like using key-combinations on a keyboard. But that's not the point.

    The point is this: The patent system no longer does what it was supposed to do which is encourage the creation of new ideas. If a system no longer does what it was designed to do, THAT is the definition of broken.

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    Sunny

    Be my Friend

  9. Re:Seems like a smart move. by TuxPaper · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Growing yes, innovating hardly. Little innovation means you dont actually have a lot to protect making patents a moot point anyway.

    Isn't one of the arguments against software patents that most of the software patents aren't innovations at all, but mere logical steps forward? So, whose to say they aren't 'innovating' according to the US software patent system?

  10. This is why competition is a good thing by travler · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I think there are a lot of people who for one reason or another think that competition from other countries is a bad thing.

    They seem to think that it is somehow 'unfair' that people in other contries can make product X cheaper. I don't know how many times I've heard the 'rush to the bottom' argument from people who obviously have no grasp of basic economics.

    If you are one of those people please read this:
    http://www.amosweb.com/cgi-bin/pdg.pl?fcd=dsp&term =The+Wide,+Wide+World+Of+FOREIGN+TRADE

    The reason competition is good in this particular case is because the US government is clearly not acting in its citizens best interest in regards to software patents.

    The contries that have a more rational intelectual property policy will obviously benefit. This will do one of two things:

    1. Businesses and citizens who create software will be forced to move to these 'enlightened' contries if they aren't there already. Basically the US will find itself locking itself out of the software market because producing software in the US will become too expensive or in some instances maybe even impossible.

    2. Because of pressure from 1. the US will be forced to adopt better laws.

    Basically if you can squash competition by making everyone obey your rules then you can force through productivity and creativity limiting laws such as software patents.

    However in a free marketplace countries that have chosen not to incorporate such laws will naturally do better than countries that have. I'm assuming here of course that software patents stifle creativity and productivity but I think this is a pretty safe assumtption.

    If you don't understand why software patents are bad please read this:

    http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/en/m/intro/index. html

    In short this is good for everyone because it will garantee that consumers of software will continue to benefit from the explosion of creativity and productivity in the software industry. Also for those of us who produce software this helps by putting real pressure on our government to change its tune in regards to software patents.

  11. Re:More jobs to go by archeopterix · · Score: 5, Interesting
    No. An American company selling in India is not subject to software patents in respect of the products sold in India because India has no software patents. An Indian company selling in America is subject to software patents in respect of the products sold in America because America does have software patents.
    That's true, but what happens if I move my application servers to India, process my data there using all the patented techniques I need and then send it back to US?