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Traffic Studied Using Computer-Linked Cars

mprindle writes "Yahoo News has an AP article about a system that links individual cars to analyze traffic patterns, which allows the drivers to avoid traffic jams and accidents. This system is part of the 'smart highway' initiatives. The data from the car is sent to a central server and from that data traffic patterns in a 40 mile radius. According to the article this technology is less expensive than using poll mounted antennas or ground sensors."

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  1. Let's think about this for a second... by pummer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If EVERYONE has a computer in their car to help them avoid traffic jams, then it would be absolutely pointless. The traffic would become more widely distributed, sure, but it'd shift away from highways that are designed to hold traffic, and into residential areas that aren't. You're going to have traffic somewhere, so whether it's on the highway or on another road is immaterial. Thus, these computers are pointless for anything more than data-gathering.

    1. Re:Let's think about this for a second... by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If everyone had computers in their cars to analyze traffic, then another computer could do a mapsearch and find the quickest way home. This would speed up everyone's journey home. It'd speed up the user using the computer to get home, and it'd speed up the commuter trying the congested lane too.

      And I'm not even talking the convincing evidence that could be taken to widen roads or make new roads.

    2. Re:Let's think about this for a second... by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Most places, there are enough people driving the roads regularly to ensure that on the average, there are no faster than average routes. The problem is that without timely information, drivers can only optimize for the average conditions.

      With real-time feedback drivers can optimize for current conditions, increasing the throughput of the whole system. This increase in efficiency means everybody's average drive time, and the variance, can decrease at once.

  2. It depends on the nature of the jam by vrimj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You have to remember that there is such a thing as a traffic engineer. Most potental accident locations have alternate routes pre-plotted. The detours may take you on lower capacity roads, but if you have the ability to filter over a wider area you could overcome this problem by directing people to different alternates. This could really help in some cases.

  3. Re:Freudian slip for an internet addict by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Its funny how what you do everyday becomes evidenced in the misspellings you cause.
    everyday

    adj.
    1. Appropriate for ordinary days or routine occasions: a suit for everyday wear.
    2. Commonplace; ordinary: everyday worries.

    n.
    The ordinary or routine day or occasion: "It was not an isolated, violent episode. It had become part of the everyday" (Sherry Turkle).
    You, sir, must be quite the boring person.
  4. Smart Highways by 514CK3R · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Stupid Drivers

  5. Re:But.. by HairyCanary · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What you just described is optimal utilization of all available routes. That means no traffic jams at all, anywhere (unless there just is no more capacity anywhere at all, in which case you have gridlock).

  6. Here's a better solution to stopping accidents by planetoid · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Stopping traffic accidents in 3 easy steps:

    1) Don't run red lights or stop signs.
    2) Stay within +-5 miles per hour of the designated speed limit, and don't tailgate someone for going said speed limit.
    3) Use your fucking turn signal when you change lanes or make turns, and don't cut people off.

    There, I have solved this decades-old problem in only one minute without spending thousands of dollars on technology that asshole-drivers won't use anyway. Then again, asshole-drivers won't really listen to this advice either.

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    1. Re:Here's a better solution to stopping accidents by shawb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'd say that's four steps, with turn signals and not cutting people off being separate. However I guess they really could be lumped into one group of "learn how to use lanes" which I think is my biggest pet peeve. I guess this rant is more directed at freeway traffic, so stop signs and lights aren't that big of an issue.

      The major points are:
      -Find a lane and stick with it. Weaving in and out of lanes to get a car ahead almost never actually moves you ahead in traffic, and is a big part of why there is congestion in the first place. The major exception is in using the left, or passing lane. Use it when the person in front of you is going slower than what you are comfortable with. Get out of it when someone is coming up on your tail.
      -Get into the lane you need to be in as soon as is reasonably safe. Don't swerve over four lanes of traffic to barely make your exit. It's annoying, dangerous, stressful and just plain dumb.
      -Learn how to merge and switch lanes: if one car goes at a time from each lane/ramp merging, traffic fits together like a zipper and can move smoothly. If people keep nosing in, traffic comes to a halt and accidents ensue. Using a turn signal and actually looking is a definate prerequisite. And if someone wants to merge into the opening in front of you (You do have a big enough gap, right? more on this later) let them. There's a good chance that they'll be switching over to the next lane or exit soon anyways.

      Notes to traffic engineers (I bet there's a couple of slashdot):
      -Left lanes are PASSING LANES. They are NOT on/off ramps. That's what the right lane is for. If there isn't enough room to fit the ramp on the right, maybe a ramp isn't needed there.
      -Merging traffic needs time to actually merge. Two or three car lengths is NOT enough space to effectively merge into.

      Notes on tailgating:
      -Stop it already. Creeping up on the person in front of you will not get them to go any faster. I repeat, it will not get them to go any faster. I see the person being tailgated slow down more often than speed up or get out of the way. Tailgating also actually gets you through SLOWER than not tailgating. If the person in front of you makes a minor speed adjustment, you need time to compensate. If you are tailgating, a minor slowdown on a curve or from being cut of means you end up stomping on the breaks. That means the person behind you has to step on the breaks harder... eventually someone can't stop in time. You aren't getting yourself where you want to go any faster, you're just tying up traffic, being a hazard, and stressing yourself out.
      -If you are the one being tailgated, ask yourself, are you in the passing lane? If yes, get out of the way. I'd rather have that asshole in front of me where I can see him and react (Because I leave enough room that I KNOW I can react) than behind me where I have no control over the situation and what he'll do. Chances are he'll end up passing you on the right and cutting you off anyways.

      And wherever you are: give right of way to emergency vehicles. It should be common sense and common decency, but it doesn't seem to be a common act. If the lights and siren are going, that means there is AN EMERGENCY

      But, I guess I really didn't say much new from what you said, just kinda expounded on basically the same things.

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  7. Re:Way to go, Zonk... by NanoGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "And BTW, just because I expect a story posted to be free of gross errors does not make me a 'spelling nazi'."

    Poll vs. Pole is a 'gross spelling' error?

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  8. Re:That's all well and good... by newrisejohn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow! The future's today and it's called mass transit.

    The only way we will truly have safe highways will be by removing auto dependency from people's lives so that they do not need to make so many trips, thus decreasing the likelihood of an accident.

  9. Re:Big Brother by Baricom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Surely the system would have to allow for variants in speed, you can exceed the limit by what, 10 miles an hour, when you pass someone? So here it would be dumb to be ticketed for an instance like that.
    A system that used to be in operation here had no such variation - if you were even one mile per hour over the speed limit, you would receive a ticket. Not only that, but ticket-issuing potential skyrocketed - instead of pulling over one car and writing out the ticket, the contractor just needed to point-and-shoot. They got a cut of every ticket issued with none of the messy work of identifying who was in the vehicle, appearing in court, etc.

    BUT, if you're doing 150 on the highway, do you seriously think that as long as you don't get caught by a cop, that you shouldn't face the consequence for knowingly breaking the law?
    Yes.

    Requiring human beings to enforce the law, rather than computers, has a nice side-effect: it adds a check to laws. It forces the police to prioritize their resources according to the whims of the general public. If people aren't as concerned about a particular law, less resources go into enforcing it, and society's collective will is better represented.

    Incidentally, this is happening with the RIAA right now. Instead of needing to be caught by a law enforcement official, the RIAA merely scans open P2P nodes, automatically, and has the paperwork generated by a computer with a convenient pre-written settlement.

    Do you think every one of the RIAA lawsuits in the last two years has been fair?

  10. Re:Nothing more than a kludge to a broken system by coopex · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What public transportation are you taking that costs $15 round trip? The L and CTA are 1.75 + 30 cent transfer, and the Metra should be around $5 round trip.

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  11. Re:I can see it now... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I am a speeder, I am not ashamed of the fact. At the end of the day, I drive more safely and (with the exception of the speed limit) follow traffic laws more thoroughly than 95% of the other drivers in this city. In fact, I have never been in an accident, and have an almost perfect driving record (minus 1 speeding ticket). The fact of the matter is, I find it more dangerous when people go /below/ the speed limit, especially when they are being stupid and doing so in the left/passing lane. I have seen more accidents caused by tailgaters, slow drivers, people who don't know how to use their blinkers and/or change lanes, and people who are on their cell phones than I have /ever/ seen caused by speeders. I think the tradeoff here is in the mortality rate of the accidents. The faster you go, the more likely you are to die if you are in an accident, but the less likely you are to be in an eccident. It is near impossible for me to get in an accident with my driving habits, since I am normally between two 'packs' of vehicles, going faster than the first, but slow enough not to get into the second, which affords me high visibility and no other vehicles around me to cause an accident. Very safe compared to the 5 dumbasses that line up on each other's tailgates right at or right below the speed limit and then when the person in front makes a turn, they all slam on their brakes frantically trying to stop before causing a wreck.

    You sir, are an asshat.