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Software V-Chip for PC Games?

63N1U5 writes "CBS news is reporting that SMARTGUARD software is releasing a new application that will allow parents to control their children's PC gaming, a-la the V-Chip for television. The new software, called WallFly, uses the ESRB ratings database to determine if a game can be launched by the current PC user, based on the parents' preferences. Parents can also use this software to set limits on when and for how long their children can play PC games."

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  1. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    As long as the porn sites are still easy to access, its all good.

    1. Re:Well by mrsev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does anyone think that the kids will not be able to get round this! I mean you tell a kid there is someting they should not do and they will find a way to do it.

      On a side note maybe the parents should regulate what game the kid get in the forst place no?

      F*ck them it wont work and will just scam some cash out of the parents. My bet is that most kids will get full access privs in matter of hours and then the kids will sbe able to lock the parents out.

      Several ways round this spring to mind such as Knoppix, Dual boot, Safemode etc.....

  2. Instead of having a computer chip monitor... by Nadsat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...why don't parents just talk to their kids?

    1. Re:Instead of having a computer chip monitor... by Draconix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where have you been? Actual parenting is not in vogue! These days, parents have more important things to do than actually raise their kids, like driving their SUVs to Starbucks and talking on their cellphone-of-the-week, so as to assure everyone at Starbucks that They Are Trendy, thus giving their lives meaning.

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    2. Re:Instead of having a computer chip monitor... by hunterx11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Kids don't always listen. Parents should talk to their kids and use this.

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    3. Re:Instead of having a computer chip monitor... by rm999 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      When I was 10 (12 years ago), if my parents told me I couldn't play Mortal Kombat (one of the most violent games of the time) I would play it behind their backs. Most kids I know would do something similar. My parents could have instead not bought me the game, but nowadays anyone can just download games off the internet.

      I take it most of you have forgotten what being a child is like - children won't behave perfectly if you "talk with them." Parents cannot (and should not) watch their children 24/7.

      This technology will allow strict parents, who know they can't control their kids through normal means, to easily enforce rules. I personlly would not use it, but I can see why many parents would.

    4. Re:Instead of having a computer chip monitor... by 3vi1 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      This technology will allow strict parents, who know they can't control their kids through normal means, to easily enforce rules


      As long as their kid is a computer illiterate, and so socially inept as to not have any smarter friends.

      How hard is it to hit enter a few times in the NT Offline Registry Editor and reset the Admin password?

      Or, maybe make a copy of Bloody_Game.exe as Reader_Rabbit.exe (or notepad.exe, so it doesn't count as 'game time'), and execute that?

      Or, try renaming the WallFly directory and reboot so that it can't be found and autostart?

      When I was a teen, I was disassembling C=64 warez to see how the copy protection worked. Kids today aren't any stupider and won't even have it that hard! They'll simply do a Google search and find a dozen workable ways around it.

      The time installing/updating the software would be better spent just unplugging the kids computer and moving it to a family area where you can watch what they're doing.
    5. Re:Instead of having a computer chip monitor... by Durandal64 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The admin at a BBS I post on handled the situation very cleverly with his kids. He and his wife were concerned about their 10 year-old (or so) son playing violent videogames with the other kids. They didn't want to ostracize him from his peers, nor did they want him to take videogame violence lightly. So the father sat down with him and watched Black Hawk Down, completely uncensored. Afterward, they talked about it and how scary violence can actually be.

      The key isn't to shield your kids from violence; it's to instill a healthy respect for the damage that humans can do to each other.

    6. Re:Instead of having a computer chip monitor... by prockcore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      and I'm sure it had nothing to do with clean drinking water becoming available at the same time.

      People drank alcohol because it was one of the few potables that was fit to drink.

  3. Ever hear of common sense? by OAB_X · · Score: 5, Informative

    Its called being a parent. Dont let your little kids play M rated games, dont let them sit there for hours at a time. You can install the games to their profile yourself so that they can only play games you allow them to play.

    But we cant have that, no-one wants to do their jobs as a parent anymore.

    1. Re:Ever hear of common sense? by s20451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Did it occur to you that this helps parents do their jobs without constantly spying on their children? Or would you have appreciated having your parents monitor your activities 24 hours a day? Is that what you consider good parenting?

      If Mom and Dad say no Grand Theft Auto, their word alone will most emphatically not stop a clever kid. This kind of technology is pretty reasonable in helping parents set boundaries. The kids and the parents can then talk about the boundaries that are established.

      This isn't government censorship -- it's parental censorship.

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    2. Re:Ever hear of common sense? by hunterx11 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is a tool to help parents do their jobs. It is not being foisted on anyone. You can't complain about lazy parents, and at the same time chastise parents for not being lazy. This fits in perfectly with the idea of the ESRB rating system: voluntary ratings made to inform the parents and allow them to meaningfully control what their kids play. Without this sort of thing, people are going to listen to idiots like Joe Lieberman.

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  4. And they claim video games influences violent... by Bones3D_mac · · Score: 5, Funny

    But just wait until some kid goes Columbine because this thing cut off his game before he could save his progress.

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  5. Why not? by RatBastard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as it is voluntary (sp?) I'm fine with it. Parents should have the right to take charge of what their rotten little bastards are up to. If it's mandated that all computers have this then I'm against it. But, I don't have any knee-biters in my household.

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    1. Re:Why not? by august+sun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm with you. Despite everyone elses cries of lazy parenting, it's just not realistic anymore to expect to have a parent at home at all the same times as the children. If it's good parenting to lock your alcohol/guns/porn away, why not something else which the parents have deemed detrimental in unregulated amounts.

  6. Good Idea by cc-rider-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gives the parents a little control over what their kids are into and keeps the government's ever pervasive fingers out of it. I for one don't want a village overseeing my kids (well, grandkids now), just the family.

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  7. Hrm, interesting idea. by MajroMax · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Although I personally feel that the ESRB system is relinquishing moral judgements into the hands of a distant third party (much like movie ratings), this system does seem to be a reasonable idea.

    It is also a very compelling argument in favor of multi-user systems.

    The big catch with this idea, though, is that this is restricted to only commercial titles, and ESRB-rated titles at that. While TFA says that this can also be used to control "computer use," it likely won't be able to distinguish web/Java games from web research for the science fair.

    I speculate that the software knows executable names for commercially released games, and it can then cross-reference these against the ESRB database. With this in mind, smaller catches are that this software will require regular updates, and the ESRB rating system itself is quite coarse: look at the dearth of adults-only games.

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  8. windows vs linux by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this gets implimented on a wide scale, I think we will see bootable Linux cds with the nvidia kernel and doom3 or halflife2 installed becomming very popular.

    I love these kinds of restrictions, they really help kids get creative and find ways around systems of control. It teaches them valuable lessons that they will need later in life as DRM get more and more popular. If we are to live in a free society, we need creative people who can subvert the confinements imposed by parents, churches, governments, and corporations.

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    1. Re:windows vs linux by Anne+Honime · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Wait, so a free society is a society without authority?

      Nope ; it's a society where resepect is earned, not brutally enforced. Good parents never have problems setting rules, because they can explain their purposes.

  9. As a parent of four, this is my opinion by CrackHappy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My oldest just turned 9.

    We monitor his game usage pretty much all the time he is using it, and the computer is set up in such a way that anyone can see what's on the monitor at almost any time, as it is set up in the main living room.

    He is only allowed to play games which:
    1) I have played.
    2) I do not feel is too violent or sexual in nature.
    3) Which I feel will not alter his behaviour in an undesirable way.

    I feel that #3 can be important. If you do not pay close attention to the way your child acts after they play a video game, the results could surprise you. He was playing what I had at the time thought of as a rather non-violent game - a space conquest game that is basically just a strategy game. There are no characters, no people of any kind in it at all, but it actually seemed to have a detrimental effect on him and he became more violent. Almost as soon as I cut his access off, his attitude and behaviour improved.

    At another time, he was playing what I considered to be a graphically violent game, but it did not affect him adversely at all. In fact he ended up identifying with the characters and gaining compassion because of it.

    I think that the ESRB ratings are a pretty good system, although they could still use improvement (what couldn't?).

    As a parent, I have seriously considered getting the software in TFA, not because of the ratings system that it uses, but because it helps me regulate the amount of time he gets to use it for. It would be very useful to have an objective system by which I can "pay" him for doing his chores by granting him an extra hour a week to play. Trying to monitor his time on the computer is a lot harder without a tool like this.

    I have complete control over my home computer, so it's not a matter of access to games, but of access for the TIME to play them. I would much rather punish my son by reducing his weekly allotment of computer play time by 1/2 an hour than standing him in time-out or making him do extra chores.

    To me this is a tool to be used to help me parent effectively, not as a substitute for my parenting.

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  10. great by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 4, Funny
    Who says you can't do all three?

    You know something about GTA:4 the rest of us don't?? Spill it!

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  11. Rephrase the caption... by mark-t · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "CBS news is reporting that SMARTGUARD software is releasing a new application that will allow parents to have the illusion that they control their children's PC gaming".

    Because that's all it will ever be, an illusion.

    Kids get around their parents porn-proofing the computers all the time, the number of kids this will stop from playing those games is inconsequential.

  12. Re:to go one further by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or getting stoned and posting on slashdot...